Politics & Stuff

[CHOULO19 24,332]

They are "Neturi Karta" - They believe that Jews should not have a state before the coming of the messiah. They are Jewish who hate Israel.

I know. That is why there is a distinction between Zionism and Judaism. Zionism is politics, Judaism is religion. Two different things.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

And then Joey Barton schooled him

[Stingray 9,441]

And then Joey Barton schooled him

Lol burned!

[dave30 728]

One of my best mates lives out there now so hoping to go over sometime next year and have a look at things personally. He used to be a die-hard pro Palestinian, and although he remains so his opinions on Israelis, or at least a decent proportion of them seem to have softened. I used to be a strong supporter of Israel but not any more. Their actions are just too inhumane and terrible to justify. On the other hand. even if you hate them one must acknowledge that their sheer ruthlessness has ensured that they remain what of the most successful nation states in the world, and one operating within a hostile environment.

[Fulham Broadway 16,393]

One of my best mates lives out there now so hoping to go over sometime next year and have a look at things personally. He used to be a die-hard pro Palestinian, and although he remains so his opinions on Israelis, or at least a decent proportion of them seem to have softened. I used to be a strong supporter of Israel but not any more. Their actions are just too inhumane and terrible to justify. On the other hand. even if you hate them one must acknowledge that their sheer ruthlessness has ensured that they remain what of the most successful nation states in the world, and one operating within a hostile environment.

True they are ruthless and 'successful'. Any country constantly given the latest state of art military equipment and $30bn a year for 10 years along with US back up, can be as cuntish as they like.

[dave30 728]

True they are ruthless and 'successful'. Any country constantly given the latest state of art military equipment and $30bn a year for 10 years along with US back up, can be as cuntish as they like.

True but what ever way you look at it, they're a tiny country despised by their entire region, yet they've secure the future of their citizens and delivered to them the the highest quality of life. May be cunts, but they're winning cunts who I expect couldn't care less what people like us think.

[Amblève. 4,995]

Can we please get back to hating jewish people?

Some say the Chelsea owner is jewish, but I think that's banter.

I think it best to promote an anti-jew thread. That way we can all laugh and laugh. I'm jewish, but hey, you wouldnt know it if I came to TalkChelsea.

Im surprised this thread open.....

Can you PLEASE elaborate what anti-Semitic has been posted in this thread (aside from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion)?

[Stingray 9,441]

True but what ever way you look at it, they're a tiny country despised by their entire region, yet they've secure the future of their citizens and delivered to them the the highest quality of life. May be cunts, but they're winning cunts who I expect couldn't care less what people like us think.

It doesnt make them one shred more ethical, which is the crux of the debate.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

One of my best mates lives out there now so hoping to go over sometime next year and have a look at things personally. He used to be a die-hard pro Palestinian, and although he remains so his opinions on Israelis, or at least a decent proportion of them seem to have softened. I used to be a strong supporter of Israel but not any more. Their actions are just too inhumane and terrible to justify. On the other hand. even if you hate them one must acknowledge that their sheer ruthlessness has ensured that they remain what of the most successful nation states in the world, and one operating within a hostile environment.

The last part is very true. I said in an earlier post that you just have to respect the 'brilliance' behind Zionism. The flawless planing, the adequately slow execution, the smart acquiring of power where it matters, the incredibly organized propaganda, everything really. No matter how many guns you have, you can't just wipe out an entire people of a country. You have to do that VERY slowly, tiny step, by tiny step, and methodically detaching the country from the neighboring countries and slowly dehumanizing the Palestinians till it is almost normal that they get bombed and wiped out without anyone in power doing anything to stop. I said this before, but I expect them to have their 'promised land' from the Nile to the Euphrates in a couple of hundred years.

Completely unethical, inhuman, almost evil. But brilliant.

[Stingray 9,441]

The last part is very true. I said in an earlier post that you just have to respect the 'brilliance' behind Zionism. The flawless planing, the adequately slow execution, the smart acquiring of power where it matters, the incredibly organized propaganda, everything really. No matter how many guns you have, you can't just wipe out an entire people of a country. You have to do that VERY slowly, tiny step, by tiny step, and methodically detaching the country from the neighboring countries and slowly dehumanizing the Palestinians till it is almost normal that they get bombed and wiped out without anyone in power doing anything to stop. I said this before, but I expect them to have their 'promised land' from the Nile to the Euphrates in a couple of hundred years.

Completely unethical, inhuman, almost evil. But brilliant.

Some mentioned the book here and as a collectioner i got a first print of the horrible thing( i got a darwin first print as well amonf many others, so no antisemitism crap please.) But i have actually read it - i got it from my grandfather who was on the kamps for two years and thought i needed to know history, as we all should. Mein Kampf and the roll out was just that: methodological, functional, correct according to those inside the country and efficient like never before.

Its really scary and im not even laughing a bit!

[dave30 728]

It doesnt make them one shred more ethical, which is the crux of the debate.

Course not but depends how you frame the debate, its another angle.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Some mentioned the book here and as a collectioner i got a first print of the horrible thing( i got a darwin first print as well amonf many others, so no antisemitism crap please.) But i have actually read it - i got it from my grandfather who was on the kamps for two years and thought i needed to know history, as we all should. Mein Kampf and the roll out was just that: methodological, functional, correct according to those inside the country and efficient like never before.

Its really scary and im not even laughing a bit!

I have an Arabic version of it and the the similarity in the 'philosophy' behind Nazism and Zionism is truly uncanny. The glorifying of power over ethics, the attempts to destroy empathy...etc. Lots of 'touches' of Nietzsche in both.

[Fulham Broadway 16,393]

Course not but depends how you frame the debate, its another angle.

Dave, surely the only relevant frame of reference concerns the slaughter of women and children by a superpower.

I find nothing to admire in how strong and powerful israel are in some kind of Nietszchien fan worship

[CHOULO19 24,332]

MrExcalibur100, on 25 Jul 2014 - 12:45 AM, said:

1. And where did I say ISIS was founded in Iraq? I never said that which is what majority of your post is about.

2 And also telling the Christians there to either convert, pay tax or die (which is gotten from Qur'an 9:29)

3. You can't blame the West for the ideology of ISIS which was the point I was making, not the history of ISIS and how it was formed.

4. They do now.

Hey, look what I found for you:

"According a document recently released by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, now the Islamic State, is an intelligence asset.

The NSA document reveals the United States, Israel, and Britain are responsible for the creation of ISIS.

Snowden said intelligence services of three countries created a terrorist organisation that is able to attract all extremists of the world to one place, using a strategy called “the hornet’s nest”. NSA documents refer to recent implementation of the hornet’s nest to protect the Zionist entity by creating religious and Islamic slogans.

According to documents released by Snowden, “The only solution for the protection of the Jewish state “is to create an enemy near its borders”. Leaks revealed that ISIS leader and cleric Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi took intensive military training for a whole year in the hands of Mossad, besides courses in theology and the art of speech."

Sources:

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/07/edward-snowden-reveals-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by-israeli-mossad-video-2993768.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by-israeli-mossad-nsa-documents-reveal/5391593

http://inquiringminds.cc/uk-911-truth-according-to-document-released-by-nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-leader-of-isis-is-a-mossad-intelligence-asset-alex-james

http://www.infowars.com/nsa-doc-reveals-isis-leader-al-baghdadi-is-u-s-british-and-israeli-intelligence-asset/

[Rmpr 8,977]

True but what ever way you look at it, they're a tiny country despised by their entire region, yet they've secure the future of their citizens and delivered to them the the highest quality of life. May be cunts, but they're winning cunts who I expect couldn't care less what people like us think.

Israel "secured" the future of their citizens at the expense of thousands of other innocent people. But well, that's all fine. After all, they are "winning cunts"...

[Fulham Broadway 16,393]

^ absolute dynamite choulo

Similarly I remember a documentary on BBC about 2005 showing that al quaeda was a Western invention and didnt exist

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/121429/CIA_no_alqaeda_ever_existed__BBC_documentary_the_power_of_nightmares/

[Rmpr 8,977]

What pisses me off is that if Israel (aka USA) really wanted to exterminate Hamas without harming innocent people, they very well could!

Just like they could have done it in Afghanistan and Iraq tbh.

However, if they did so, there would be no more excuses to keep their trillion dollar arms industry at full power. Thus creating an economic problem and a legion of unhappy lobbyists!

Every government needs the back up of powerful and rich people, and there is no better place to find those then in the arms industry (the most profitable business in the world). Because of that, politicians will NEVER do anything to make them mad. Even if it means millions of people will suffer and die because of it.

Those never ending wars are the dream of every weapon's manufacture company. They make the biased media claim for security so the governments are pressured to invest more and more on ballistic technology. But at the same time, they illegally sell their old stock to terrorist and rebel groups who cant afford the advanced stuff they sell to USA/Israel. It's absolutely brilliant. They created a business in which there is no competition and they sell for both parties. They create the cause and demand, they control the manufacturing process and they sell their products to both sides. Who wouldnt want that, right?

Well, unless you are a human being and care about innocent children and women getting mutilated by the thousands just so a few dozens can get rich, there is absolutely nothing wrong...

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Hey, look what I found for you:

"According a document recently released by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, now the Islamic State, is an intelligence asset.

The NSA document reveals the United States, Israel, and Britain are responsible for the creation of ISIS.

Snowden said intelligence services of three countries created a terrorist organisation that is able to attract all extremists of the world to one place, using a strategy called “the hornet’s nest”. NSA documents refer to recent implementation of the hornet’s nest to protect the Zionist entity by creating religious and Islamic slogans.

According to documents released by Snowden, “The only solution for the protection of the Jewish state “is to create an enemy near its borders”. Leaks revealed that ISIS leader and cleric Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi took intensive military training for a whole year in the hands of Mossad, besides courses in theology and the art of speech."

Sources:

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/07/edward-snowden-reveals-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by-israeli-mossad-video-2993768.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by-israeli-mossad-nsa-documents-reveal/5391593

http://inquiringminds.cc/uk-911-truth-according-to-document-released-by-nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-leader-of-isis-is-a-mossad-intelligence-asset-alex-james

http://www.infowars.com/nsa-doc-reveals-isis-leader-al-baghdadi-is-u-s-british-and-israeli-intelligence-asset/

Eih yabni el seya3a di?Ostaaaaaaaaz

Translation: Egyptian slang terminology for good job.