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[Fulham Broadway 17,332]

An article by Garry Kasparov.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303824204579422971651210180

Not sure this would happen as there are too many feeders and hangers on in Belgravia and other areas of Londongrad where Russian money is flowing, but Kasparov is right, they would probably sever ties with the motherland if their assets were targetted.

As far as citing Saddam Husseins incursion, I am assuming Kasparov is referring to Kuwait ? Well the artificially created state of Kuwait was made by the British drawing a line in the sand in order to have its oil fields, and was part of Iraq. When Saddam Hussein said he wanted it back, the then US Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, said the US has no problem with you reclaiming Kuwait. So Hussein was set up, as a pretext to bomb the fuck out of Iraq, invade, and steal its natural resources.

Both Russia and the USA are still trying to consolidate their expansionist cold war empires, as bad as each other.

[Melanicus 5,208]

An article by Garry Kasparov.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303824204579422971651210180

Please don't quote this asshole.

Ukraine (most East and Crimea) is only important for Americans to place their army on the direct border with Russia. You really think EU gives a fuck about you people of Ukraine? Don't be naive. It's the same shit that was in Lybia or Syria. USA gives money and supports Ukrainian Neo-Nazis that start causing troubles, other sheep people join them because they stupidely think life in EU will become better (who can blame them), old-goverment that was pain in this of America is destroyed and America put their puppies to lead the country. Little did they know that there are many Russians in Ukraine who would love to join Russia and they mostly live in East and Crimea, that is the only economicaly important part of Ukraine. Ukraine without East and Crimea is nothing and of course EU and US doesn't give a fuck about Ukraine without East and Crimea.

Watching this is a must, because most of you just watch mainstream shit media that says what US tells them to say.

[Roquila 1,335]

It's pretty fucked up to think that 1-10 people that reign a country control the whole faith of a nation. President wants war? Nation Suffers.

And no, i didn't vote for that president/prime minister/whatever. If you are that naive to think that your vote counts then i wish you the best in life, you'll need it!

We are living in a world that in my opinion is goin in the wrong direction. My generation suffers the most. I am a 20 year old student of business and management and unemployed. When i graduate i'll be 23 (if i graduate, i am thinking to go the 'fuck everything' way) and i don't think that by that time i'll find a good place to work.

There is the thing i call the circle of hell.... You need experience to work - You need to work to get experience - You need experience to work - You need work to get experience.

These things are the product of fucked up politics, incompetent people steering the country i live in. I don't think other countries are better off than mine.

Let me take an example..... Obama starts a war, soldiers go to the war and die meanwhile Obama sits in his couch watching the Simpsons... That motherfucker wanted war, he should be the first to grab a weapon.

Sorry for this long rant but i am going through rough times and i developed this belief that Politics are going the wrong way and that they are the reason why me generation is suffering.

[SinineUltra 1,170]

Please don't quote this asshole.

Ukraine (most East and Crimea) is only important for Americans to place their army on the direct border with Russia. You really think EU gives a fuck about you people of Ukraine? Don't be naive. It's the same shit that was in Lybia or Syria. USA gives money and supports Ukrainian Neo-Nazis that start causing troubles, other sheep people join them because they stupidely think life in EU will become better (who can blame them), old-goverment that was pain in this of America is destroyed and America put their puppies to lead the country. Little did they know that there are many Russians in Ukraine who would love to join Russia and they mostly live in East and Crimea, that is the only economicaly important part of Ukraine. Ukraine without East and Crimea is nothing and of course EU and US doesn't give a fuck about Ukraine without East and Crimea.

Watching this is a must, because most of you just watch mainstream shit media that says what US tells them to say.

As Fulham Broadway pointed out, they are as bad as each other. Though, it all depends of the perspective which is worse for you. It's impossible for me to describe or carry on the experience that Soviet Union brought to Estonia, 360 degree deadly circle where corruption is the only way to function or achieve something. There's no need to point fingers and say this side or that side is naive, ignorant and should not follow mainstream media because it is biased. Both Russian and European media are biased but don't forget that Russia is a direct participant in this conflict so their media must be even more concentrated in order to show their country as martyr as possible, drawing a halo on Putin's head. Try researching about media freedom and how centrally influenced media is in different countries. I'm sure every report outside of Russia will depict the latter as a very undemocratic country with media held on tight leash to CONTROL the majority, to insert a type of knowledge into their minds as they please. Ignorance is a bliss afterall.

Why should Ukraine give up part of their official territory? They don't. If this goes through, who will be next? Moldova? Estonia? I for one would like to be connected to USA, NATO, EU to protect our hard fought freedom and independence from the mood swings of our great neighbour who is known to only accept authority and power and spits on official contracts between two sovereign countries. Look no further than Crimea. I understand that there are people with different outlooks but if life is so hard in a former Soviet Union country (aka having to learn the official language) then please, take the next train to Russia. Do you sincerely believe that Russia really wants to 'protect the russian minority' in Ukraine? They have the same motives as EU, NATO, USA - not to lose INFLUENCE over the region, to make Ukraine dependent of their economy, their businesses. I'm sure there are people who are sincere in their demonstrations and protests but many of the mob and their leaders are just muppets paid to cause trouble and to show outside world how much the people of Ukraine love mother Russia. We are talking about a country that made soldiers paint grass, leaves on the trees greener just for the sake of it. There is no logic behind this if you are wondering why would some random russian come to Ukraine to cause havoc. Propaganda, all it is. Don't get caught in the whirlstorm of shit.

Also I'll put this question out here: why is neo nazism not equal with Soviet Union worshipers? Somehow the history books are making it out as Nazi Germany was the only real evil empire. You want to know why many hate Russia in Ukraine? Holodomor.

Regarding having a better life in Ukraine when Russian friendly political power is in charge - Janukovitch has steered the country for a long time ( minus the inconvenient Orange revolution, where poisoning did the trick fortunately) and has made close to nothing to improve the welfare of his people. We are talking about a man who's 150k yearly salary affords him to take a shit in a gold toilet pot and own every supercar in the world. His son has made BILLIONS as a dentist after his daddy was appointed.

PS. I'm not trying to counter your arguments or make you reconsider etc. I'm just trying to understand this conflict from everyone's point of view. I can understand people who want to be reunited with Russia, that doesn't mean I agree with it though.

[Melanicus 5,208]

As Fulham Broadway pointed out, they are as bad as each other. Though, it all depends of the perspective which is worse for you. It's impossible for me to describe or carry on the experience that Soviet Union brought to Estonia, 360 degree deadly circle where corruption is the only way to function or achieve something. There's no need to point fingers and say this side or that side is naive, ignorant and should not follow mainstream media because it is biased. Both Russian and European media are biased but don't forget that Russia is a direct participant in this conflict so their media must be even more concentrated in order to show their country as martyr as possible, drawing a halo on Putin's head. Try researching about media freedom and how centrally influenced media is in different countries. I'm sure every report outside of Russia will depict the latter as a very undemocratic country with media held on tight leash to CONTROL the majority, to insert a type of knowledge into their minds as they please. Ignorance is bliss afterall.

Why should Ukraine give up part of their official territory? They don't. If this goes through, who will be next? Moldova? Estonia? I for one would like to be connected to USA, NATO, EU to protect our hard fought freedom and independence from the mood swings of our great neighbour who is known to only accept authority and power and spits on official contracts between two sovereign countries. Look no further than Crimea. I understand that there are people with different outlooks but if life is so hard in a former Soviet Union country (aka having to learn the official language) then please, take the next train to Russia. Do you sincerely believe that Russia really wants to 'protect the russian minority' in Ukraine? They have the same motives as EU, NATO, USA - not to lose INFLUENCE over the region, to make Ukraine dependent of their economy, their businesses.

Also I'll put this question out here: why is neo nazism not equal with Soviet Union worshipers? Somehow the history books are making it out as Nazi Germany was the only real evil empire. You want to know why many hate Russia in Ukraine? Holodomor.

PS. I'm not trying to counter your arguments or make you reconsider etc. I'm just trying to understand this conflict from everyone's point of view. I can understand people who want to be reunited with Russia, that doesn't mean I agree with it though.

Why should Ukraine give up on Crimea? I ask you why should Serbia give up on Kosovo then?

Holodomor was the same as Hitler's camps. Every country has history that they'd rather not remember, but good sides of Soviet Union outweight bad sides, in my opinion. Many of former Soviet Union countries are just ungrateful pricks. Soviet goverment gave more freedom to Baltic countries and Poland, Russia even payed them money and gave them everything almost for free, so they'd say that they support communism, with this money those country developed. They developed more than they'd develop under your favorite U.S. democracy. Baltic countries were the most developed countries in Soviet Union. What did U.S. give to you? Fuck all.

[SinineUltra 1,170]

Why should Ukraine give up on Crimea? I ask you why should Serbia give up on Kosovo then?

Holodomor was the same as Hitler's camps. Every country has history that they'd rather not remember, but good sides of Soviet Union outweight bad sides, in my opinion. Many of former Soviet Union countries are just ungrateful pricks. Soviet goverment gave more freedom to Baltic countries and Poland, Russia even payed them money and gave them everything almost for free, so they'd say that they support communism, with this money those country developed. They developed more than they'd develop under your favorite U.S. democracy. What did U.S. give to you? Fuck all.

I'm very grateful that my relatives were deported to Siberia, I'm grateful that they were substituted with unknown russians that were brought in to make Estonia a 'russian minded' country. I'm very grateful that there were no food, every day products like toilet paper in the shops during Soviet era, that food was handed out with STAMPS. I'm grateful that the only way to be successful at life was to join a party and after that magically things started to happen. And most of all - I'm thankful for all the deaths of ancestors who were killed defending a country's , albeit a small one's, independence. I am selfish, sorry.

Estonia is not RUSSIA, we are a FORMER Soviet Union country who were 'peacefully' annexed just like Crimea is now. Russian minded people take over the reigns, opposition 'dies out' somehow, what a happy little life. I'd like to hear the positives - what did you read from the history books that I failed to notice in my everyday life?

[MetsajCFC 1,255]

Why should Ukraine give up on Crimea? I ask you why should Serbia give up on Kosovo then?

Holodomor was the same as Hitler's camps. Every country has history that they'd rather not remember, but good sides of Soviet Union outweight bad sides, in my opinion. Many of former Soviet Union countries are just ungrateful pricks. Soviet goverment gave more freedom to Baltic countries and Poland, Russia even payed them money and gave them everything almost for free, so they'd say that they support communism, with this money those country developed. They developed more than they'd develop under your favorite U.S. democracy. Baltic countries were the most developed countries in Soviet Union. What did U.S. give to you? Fuck all.

One of the most stupid and ignorant things I've read in a long time. Due to lack of time I can't explain my views right now, I'll try to do it later tonight, but it shows your only contact with CCCP and their regime is though media.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

You gotta add social media

[CHOULO19 24,332]

You gotta add social media

Of course. The role of "traditional" media is diminishing with every passing month.

[Peppen 934]

I'm very grateful that my relatives were deported to Siberia, I'm grateful that they were substituted with unknown russians that were brought in to make Estonia a 'russian minded' country. I'm very grateful that there were no food, every day products like toilet paper in the shops during Soviet era, that food was handed out with STAMPS. I'm grateful that the only way to be successful at life was to join a party and after that magically things started to happen. And most of all - I'm thankful for all the deaths of ancestors who were killed defending a country's , albeit a small one's, independence. I am selfish, sorry.

Estonia is not RUSSIA, we are a FORMER Soviet Union country who were 'peacefully' annexed just like Crimea is now. Russian minded people take over the reigns, opposition 'dies out' somehow, what a happy little life. I'd like to hear the positives - what did you read from the history books that I failed to notice in my everyday life?

Fully agree. The Soviet Union did NOTHING good to the common people of the Baltic States, but mainly targeted people with power to persuade them into implementing totalitarianism. They were just as bad as Nazi Germany, maybe even worse.

Speaking of something completely different:

Any Scandinavian countries (in particular Sweden) that have experience with privatization of core public welfare? Our government is currently looking for areas where private enterprises would provide a better service for less money than our current public one. I read that Sweden privatized their school system and it failed miserably? Am I correct in that assumption?

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Of course. The role of "traditional" media is diminishing with every passing month.

That is so insane though. To think that anyone would just pass some information and a lot of people would get carried away behind it, regardless if it is true or not. It has become really pathetic in Egypt. REALLY PATHETIC

[CHOULO19 24,332]

That is so insane though. To think that anyone would just pass some information and a lot of people would get carried away behind it, regardless if it is true or not. It has become really pathetic in Egypt. REALLY PATHETIC

Please, Lebanese people are the pioneers of mindless provocative news reporting, or as I like to call it: the "Breaking News" culture

It's very simple and very effective, at least in our Arab world: Keep the focus zoomed in on small pointless details, over-dramatize and over-sensationalize every little piece of news (if you can make it rhyme, all the better) and keep it coming all day long.

And since people only listen or read the media that agrees with their general political "view", you end up with two different societies inside the country, each made up of people who are unable to see the bigger picture and act wit their instincts instead of reason. Those people are obviously very easily manipulated.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Please, Lebanese people are the pioneers of mindless provocative news reporting, or as I like to call it: the "Breaking News" culture

It's very simple and very effective, at least in our Arab world: Keep the focus zoomed in on small pointless details, over-dramatize and over-sensationalize every little piece of news (if you can make it rhyme, all the better) and keep it coming all day long.

And since people only listen or read the media that agrees with their general political "view", you end up with two different societies inside the country, each made up of people who are unable to see the bigger picture and act wit their instincts instead of reason. Those people are obviously very easily manipulated.

I didn't know that the Lebanese had the same problem and you outrank us in this non sense of social media. Thought we took the lead

I agree with you bro. I know that Lebanon is struggling economically, but due you have the same amount of illiteracy that we have in Egypt? Cause we do have a lot unfortunately, not to mention that the " educated " people who appear on TV shows and lead the public opinions. They bring their information from very reliable sources, facebook and twitter, we khalti aletli, we seme3t men el bawab, we a3det el neswan fel 3asreyya . And people just follow them. The funny thing is that you see in that people like the brotherhood and people like the liberals basically are thinking the in am irrational way, saying a lot of non sense and people would just follow. Again thanks to facebook and twitter. I have been really disgusted by all this political bullshit. I try to escape through football and other sports but it is everywhere around all the time. Again people just keep talking politics based on "afkar 7ashashi" if you know what I mean. No real info, no real data, too subjective, blurry vision and it really gets me irritated.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Thought this is hilarious:

[Fulham Broadway 17,332]

Is this the middle ages or something ?

528 people to be hanged in Egypt. 528 pre meditatively murdered.

Never mind that the "trials" were riven with irregularities. It doesnt matter what persuasion they were, the human race should have risen above this. Do the authorities think in their warped minds it will act as some deterrent to their precious order of things ?? Quite the opposite. History has shown when there are state political murders the victims become beacons, martyrs for others.

Interesting how the cheif capitalist state, the US, is more concerned about property (land in Ukraine) than state sponsored murder. Then again they are quite happy to have people on death row for 30 years then kill them.

The human race should be above all this shit.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Is this the middle ages or something ?

528 people to be hanged in Egypt. 528 pre meditatively murdered.

Never mind that the "trials" were riven with irregularities. It doesnt matter what persuasion they were, the human race should have risen above this. Do the authorities think in their warped minds it will act as some deterrent to their precious order of things ?? Quite the opposite. History has shown when there are state political murders the victims become beacons, martyrs for others.

Interesting how the cheif capitalist state, the US, is more concerned about property (land in Ukraine) than state sponsored murder. Then again they are quite happy to have people on death row for 30 years then kill them.

The human race should be above all this shit.

It is actually more complicated than you what you have read. And it is not related to politics since that the the Judiciary system in Egypt and the Egyptian law have no laws for political punishments. Having said that there is no sentencing for hanging 528.

[Fulham Broadway 17,332]

It is actually more complicated than you what you have read. And it is not related to politics since that the the Judiciary system in Egypt and the Egyptian law have no laws for political punishments. Having said that there is no sentencing for hanging 528.

Hi Mohammed,

If a government is willing to execute 528 of its citizens, sentenced to death in a court, to me that is 100% political.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Hi Mohammed,

If a government is willing to execute 528 of its citizens, sentenced to death in a court, to me that is 100% political.

I understand what you are saying completely. I assure you it is not like that. I will try to explain the system in Egypt ( I am not saying I like it or hate it ).In the judiciary system in Egypt, if someone is convicted of a crime and is on the run, he is sentenced to the maximum penalty for that crime. The moment he is captured or turns himself in the sentence automatically drops and there is a retrial. I don't like this system but that is what we have ( based on the principals of the French law which we follow). Out of the 528 people, 154 where captured, 16 found not guilty and the rest were found guilty. Now when a judge founds someone guilty and thinks he deserves a death penalty he sends his findings that supports the death punishment to an Islamic board. They either confirm it or reject it. ( Again I don't like that part but it has it reasons). Finally the judge makes his sentencing which is not a final one.

Now regarding this case, I assure you it is not political ( again there is the possibility I am wrong or inaccurate). This took place in a provenance called El Minya, relatively known to be poor and full of Islamic radicals. A lot of the population are Christians. It was witnessed a lot of crimes, murders, attempted murders, assaults on Police stations and Churches, robbery of arms and the murder of the Police Commissioner's deputy. ( They attacked him at the police station and then killed him in the hospital where he was taken to). So not in any way this is political as it may have been conveyed by the Muslim brotherhood. Still 148 people is a lot. But this is not a final sentence.

There are a lot more in this case than what you have read I am sure . If it was that simple for the Judiciary system to make a political sentence, then Hosni Mubarak would have been executed long ago, or the Minister of Interior during Mubarak's time would have been sent to death too. Or even the leaders of the Muslim brotherhood. We simply don't have that in our law. The only time that this happened was in 1952, when the Muslim brotherhood members were trialed in military courts and were given death penalties. That has been condemned by all of the Egyptians. Even in the new constitution, we made sure that such events can't happen again ( even though millions in Egypt hate the Muslim brotherhood).

I understand your point though, and I would be happy and grateful to hear your point of view. I may not agree, or agree, but at the end I will respect it.

p.s. The Egyptian Judiciary system is an independent entity from the government.

[Fernando 6,585]

Mohammed your very knowledgeable about politics and such.

So I want to ask your thoughts on this matter.

Iran trying everything they can to go nuclear.

Now this is something I don't like for the world cause Iran hates usa and Israel. In fact they have stated that Israel should be wiped out of the map.

This is very concerning and I see no other way but to have a pre emptive attack on Iran.

The only problem is that I don't see it coming from USA but Israel.

And I think that will look bad, but Israel has to defend itself cause one nuclear weapon going of at their city and you pretty much have made extinct an entire country.