Hostedenis 556 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 9 hours ago, Spike said: Consider this if Oscar has been 'underperforming' since he joined the club perhaps he isn't 'underperforming' but just not up to standard? Consistently underperforming seems to be an oxymoron, maybe the player just isn't that good at all and they are playing at their level. 7 hours ago, El P. said: Exactly. There's no such thing as "consistently underperforming". There is, but I get what you mean. You believe consistently underperforming means he's not underperforming, he's just performing to his (lower) level, and I get that. I just compared it to something else; I meant he's underperforming considering the price tag we paid for him or considering our expectations we have/had of him. A player *CAN* consistently underperform considering fan's expectations or his price tag, no? Anyway, I kinda like Oscar. He's a likeable chap. And yes I'm not so happy with his performances or his lack of output. But I wouldn't tell him to fuck off, he's a Chelsea player and gets my support. Maybe he just isn't the player we thought he was, but he's still trying his best and not slacking and for that he earns my support and he should earn more than a fuck off from Atlas Lion. El P. and Spike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Special Juan 28,141 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 At times against Scunthorpe he wasn't great, but he scored and also showed some nice endeavor. Can he be any worse than what is starting right now? How can it be any worse than the displays we are seeing? At what point does it become thinking of the manager to actually think "Ya know what, fuck it, he's starting" Azul and Essien19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 On 12 January 2016 at 9:28 PM, xPetrCechx said: Wow trained hard for nothing - loving the motivation we give our players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseamabz 17 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 That picture does not tell you if RLC was working hard in training. I have always questioned his work rate and am still not sold on what he can do for us. Tremendous talent don't get me wrong but still yet to see fully what he can do. Surely if he was the guy we all seem to think he is he would be starting by now. As for Oscar it seems strange how he could be so good last year and so poor this year. I really think the injury set him back a few. I think he's a good player, works hard, is obviously committed to being a Chelsea player. Would like to see him a little more physical but I tend to think he's been ok. No worse than Pedro or Hazard. Reddish-Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,506 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 14 minutes ago, chelseamabz said: That picture does not tell you if RLC was working hard in training. I have always questioned his work rate and am still not sold on what he can do for us. Tremendous talent don't get me wrong but still yet to see fully what he can do. Surely if he was the guy we all seem to think he is he would be starting by now. As for Oscar it seems strange how he could be so good last year and so poor this year. I really think the injury set him back a few. I think he's a good player, works hard, is obviously committed to being a Chelsea player. Would like to see him a little more physical but I tend to think he's been ok. No worse than Pedro or Hazard. If only Oscar had a bit more vision and flair to his game, he would be able to take that next step and become a consistent threat in our attack As for RLC, it's obvious that the manager and coaching staff rate his potential but as Mourinho said in pre-season, RLC has to work harder off the ball if he wants to break through at Chelsea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul 1,615 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 At times against Scunthorpe he wasn't great, but he scored and also showed some nice endeavor. Can he be any worse than what is starting right now? How can it be any worse than the displays we are seeing? At what point does it become thinking of the manager to actually think "Ya know what, fuck it, he's starting" I feel you bro. This "experience over performance" needs to stop ASAP it's killing our club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Him ahead of Oscar. I hope Hiddink does the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Funny? Or sad? LondonsFinest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Simply put, sad. The level of performance has been the lowest of the low from this team, and by everyone at one point or another and we still can't give him more time on the field. It's a fucking piss take. Essien19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,506 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 36 minutes ago, Special Juan said: Simply put, sad. The level of performance has been the lowest of the low from this team, and by everyone at one point or another and we still can't give him more time on the field. It's a fucking piss take. He should of gone on loan to the Championship rather than sticking around with the Chelsea reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Stats 7,142 Posted January 19, 2016 Popular Post! Share Posted January 19, 2016 I was watching our U21 game with Spurs the other day and Jody Morris was spot on with what he said. He was basically saying at this point last year, RLC and Baker were ahead of Dele Alli in terms of England level. Alli was not even an U21 international till later on in the season while Baker and RLC were in the squad often. However because Alli has gone to a PL club where he is given chances, he is now overtaken them and seems a certainty to be on that plane to France while RLC will not even be a contender. Baker has been playing, albeit he seems to have been dropped by Vitesse first 11 for a few weeks now and it is in an inferior league so he too will not be a contender for England. However if RLC was at Spurs right now and Alli was here, Alli would no way be in the England reckoning because quite frankly, he would not play. And it is not doubt Morris who watches RLC closely, believes he can make the same rise as Alli. This is what he said: "Ruben has had a couple of runs in the team and I think he’s a top, top player. If you look at the attributes, he’s got all the attributes. It’s just how he progresses. Obviously, that’s down to him getting a few chances and down to himself, so it will be interesting to see how he does progress. But for me, he has got everything you need to become a top player. Dele Alli’s rise has been incredibly fast and why can’t Ruben do it?" 11Drogba, Hybrid Angel, Essien19 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 If he had got good game time we could be in a good position to judge him, he hasn't, so we are left to judge on him bit part roles. Alli has gone and got game game time because he is trusted and the management have shown faith in him. I will tell you why Ruben can't do it, because the management and big wigs at this club have no balls what so ever, if they had the lad would be playing a lot more now because the performances from our midfield lads has been nothing short of tragic. There is no way on gods green earth RLC can be any worse than Matic has been this season. It's an absolute travesty what we have seen this season with this football club and it's also a complete joke the lack of time this kid has been given to show what he can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weckerz 3,781 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Without wanting to sound overly critical: He's quality but fuck me he's 20 years old and jogs around the pitch like he doesn't care. He'd be twice the player if he showed some urgency. He's fine going forward but I wouldn't trust him to be our CM as of now, in that regard I agree with Jose. Maybe it's just me though; perhaps he lacks matchfitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,075 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 14 minutes ago, Weckerz said: he's 20 years old and jogs around the pitch like he doesn't care. He'd be twice the player if he showed some urgency. That's not the problem. The problem is that I was saying this about Ruben three years ago and it's still necessary for it to be said. The blame for this cannot belong to Ruben alone. His coaches have undoubtedly tried to help him but whatever they have tried has not succeeded in getting the message across. Ruben won't become the player he could be unless he unlocks that urgency. One slight, but I think vitally important, disagreement with you; Ruben is not active enough when we have the ball either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 i don't agree, saw him chasing back down the wing, and smashing someone off the ball. not everyone has to bee a workhorse. team looks better with him in it. i thought our midfield selection was perfect today. oscar cesc, matic, rlc chelseafan26 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,075 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 13 minutes ago, lucio said: i don't agree, saw him chasing back down the wing, and smashing someone off the ball. not everyone has to bee a workhorse. team looks better with him in it. i thought our midfield selection was perfect today. oscar cesc, matic, rlc I agree, not everyone needs to be a workhorse but Ruben does need to be more active. He does jog around too often when he ought to be getting on his bike, particularly when we are in possession. When we're on top Ruben needs to get on the ball more and have a bigger influence on the game. There has been some improvement in as much as we are now complaining about him jogging. When I first observed, and commented on, this behaviour he would often walk. This is not wrong and it is not an exaggeration. Ruben would do something classy in development games then walk while watching play move on and drift away from him. I wanted, and want, to see him follow the ball to support play or get beyond. Waiting for him to do it was often very frustrating. As I wrote a few months ago, he has quality and time. The sooner he sorts this the better however. Weckerz, lucio, The Skipper and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Maybe he has really bad stamina and is conserving himself? This would explain why he's not used more often or for full games (except today, where being active wasn't that necessary). But the way he plays when he has the ball is great, he's a really menacing physical presence, but this is not enough to break through in the PL. I agree, at the moment he's best suited as CAM, not CM. EDIT: I thought he was great today, championship level is too easy for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Ruben Loftus-Cheek @rubey_lcheek 28m28 minutes ago Great win! First 90 mins for myself in a while. Well done to @oscar8 on his hatrick not going to be sprinting after everything when he barely gets game time. needs to conserve energy to impress in final third. play him regular if you wan;t peak energy and application chelseafan26 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 9 hours ago, Weckerz said: Without wanting to sound overly critical: He's quality but fuck me he's 20 years old and jogs around the pitch like he doesn't care. He'd be twice the player if he showed some urgency. He's fine going forward but I wouldn't trust him to be our CM as of now, in that regard I agree with Jose. Maybe it's just me though; perhaps he lacks matchfitness Mikel has been tutoring him... the wes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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