Kevin de Bruyne

[Jype 6,398]

1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

Mount has not KDB potential. I can guarantee you that.

Probably not but at 21yo Mount should still develop a lot with more experience.

He certainly doesn't have the vision and passing range of KDB (at the same age) but if he can improve his decision making in the final third I could see him maybe becoming a better goalscorer than KDB.

Mount scored 14 league goals in 25 starts for Vitesse at 18/19yo. Obviously the Eredivisie is a much weaker league and in the EPL he doesn't have nearly the same time and space but with further development and a functioning team around him I could easily see Mount doing really well in the goalscoring department. Mount may not have the same amount of natural talent many (young) world class players do but his mentality is top notch and I really believe he'll surprise many in the next few years.

I do agree with some of the 'critics' that Mount shouldn't play 90 mins every game, especially now with more quality options like Havertz in the team, and that Lampard has a bit of a blind spot for his favorite lad but writing him off and outright abusing him in the way many have is absolutely ridiculous.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Mount has played his best football at Chelsea at the early stages of last season, following a full pre-season, and then again after the COVID break when he had gotten some much needed rest after being run into the ground by playing too many games. Mount is a hardworking player and if his work levels and pressing drop due to being tired, he won't be of much use to the team. Lampard needs to recognize that and start giving Mount some rest every once in a while to make sure he's playing up to his best level most of the time. Stubbornly using him even when he's tired and out of form will only lead to more criticism and unneeded pressure on Mount (and Lampard himself).

[Fernando 6,483]

20 hours ago, shrenshah said:

Best midfielder in europe officially, slipped through our flawed system thanks to Jose

As I said before it was good it happen under Mourinho to bury his shadow that hung around this club for too long. 

[NikkiCFC 8,041]

On 10/2/2020 at 1:16 AM, Vesper said:

Mbappe for me is the best on the planet, KDB 2, Messi now 3

pure top 25  global ranking at this exact moment (not cost, not who I would buy, but simply the best players, in order, IMHO)

Kylian Mbappé    
Kevin De Bruyne  
Lionel Messi
Robert Lewandowski  
Cristiano Ronaldo   
Neymar   
Sadio Mané   
Raheem Sterling   
Mohamed Salah    
Joshua Kimmich
Jadon Sancho   
Alphonso Davies
Trent Alexander-Arnold  
Virgil van Dijk    
Jan Oblak  
Saúl Ñíguez  
Alisson  
Paulo Dybala    
Kai Havertz    
Erling Haaland 
Thomas Müller 
Serge Gnabry
Marco Verratti
Sergio Ramos
Ansu Fati

You really rate Sterling? You think no GK, defender or midfielder (apart from KDB) offer more to their team than Sterling?

[Vesper 28,993]

3 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

You really rate Sterling? You think no GK, defender or midfielder (apart from KDB) offer more to their team than Sterling?

depends on the team and their situ

but this ranking is pure talent atm, and I ranked 4 other wingers above him anyway and could easily have swapped Salah with him

[Vesper 28,993]

On 26/07/2020 at 7:54 PM, killer1257 said:

It seems that he is going to appeal lol. He says that the FA robbed him for two assists.

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De Bruyne equals Henry's Premier League assist record in convincing Man City victory over Norwich

https://www.goal.com/en/news/de-bruyne-equals-henrys-premier-league-assist-record-in/1no3ist56bx621gi3um8ev0yvj

but he was robbed here (and he said another one too, the first game v Arse earlier in the season, when his pass glanced off Luiz on its way to Sterling again)

[NikkiCFC 8,041]

People say he is best player in the league for years but when you think about it... 

He is soon 30yo, has just 2 PL titles and in one of these seasons played just 28.4% of PL games.

Unless City win many big trophies in the next 3 or 4 years his career is nothing special. I mean for someone he people would label as one of the best PL players in history...

[killer1257 3,282]

People say he is best player in the league for years but when you think about it... 
He is soon 30yo, has just 2 PL titles and in one of these seasons played just 28.4% of PL games.
Unless City win many big trophies in the next 3 or 4 years his career is nothing special. I mean for someone he people would label as one of the best PL players in history...

Hazard only won two titles as well, Suarez won nothing and he scored 31 goals and made 17 assists in 33 matches in one season. Titles are usually not won by the offense, titles are won when your team is able to actually defend.

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[MCM4PR3Z 411]

Wish we had a player like him

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, MCM4PR3Z said:

Wish we had a player like him

Well, we used to have one...

[robsblubot 3,528]

just sold the wrong Belgian at the time - honest mistake. 

[killer1257 3,282]

Thank you Mourinho

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[MCM4PR3Z 411]

1 minute ago, robsblubot said:

just sold the wrong Belgian at the time - honest mistake. 

Hazard was brilliant here, just sold him at the start of his decline for a big bag of money. That was one of the most brilliant complete deals ever: Buying him, let him shine for years, sell him at the end of his career for three times as much <3

[robsblubot 3,528]

3 minutes ago, MCM4PR3Z said:

Hazard was brilliant here, just sold him at the start of his decline for a big bag of money. That was one of the most brilliant complete deals ever: Buying him, let him shine for years, sell him at the end of his career for three times as much <3

I know... just a jest and a bit of personal preference in terms of characteristics: think KDB is the rarer commodity. Belgium will suffer when he's gone. Big fooballing countries go decades without that type of player.

[NikkiCFC 8,041]

Havertz will be better. 

[killer1257 3,282]

Havertz will be better. 

Never

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[Special Juan 27,439]

This bloke was and is different level. Absolute closes thing to world class in the PL

[Magic Lamps 11,668]

On 16.12.2020 at 7:52 PM, killer1257 said:

Hazard only won two titles as well, Suarez won nothing and he scored 31 goals and made 17 assists in 33 matches in one season. Titles are usually not won by the offense, titles are won when your team is able to actually defend.

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Suarez won tons in his career overall tho. a lot of trash trophies and only one club trophy in England but overall he did have a special career.

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Ajax[372]

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Liverpool[372]

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Barcelona[372]

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Supercopa de España: 2016, 2018

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UEFA Super Cup: 2015

FIFA Club World Cup: 2015

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China Cup: 2018

Individual

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Dutch Footballer of the Year: 2009–10[375]

Eredivisie Golden Boot: 2009–10[376]

IFFHS World's Best Top Division Goalscorer: 2010, 2014, 2016[377]

Copa América Player of the Tournament: 2011[378]

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FIFA Ballon d'Or: 6th place 2011,[380] 5th place 2015[381]

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The Best FIFA Men's Player: 5th place 2016[383]

PFA Team of the Year: 2012–13 Premier League,[384] 2013–14 Premier League[385]

Liverpool Player of the Season: 2012–13,[386] 2013–14[387]

Premier League Player of the Month: December 2013, March 2014[388]

Liverpool Players' Player of the Season: 2013–14[387]

Liverpool Goal of the Season: 2013–14[387]

PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2013–14[389]

FWA Footballer of the Year: 2013–14[390]

Premier League Player of the Season: 2013–14[388]

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FSF Player of the Year: 2013–14[391]

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FIFA Club World Cup MVP of the Final Match Trophy: 2015[398]

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Barcelona Player of the Season (Trofeo Aldo Rovira): 2015–16[401]

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FIFA FIFPro World11: 2016[404]

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FIFA FIFPro World11 3rd team: 2018[408]

FIFA FIFPro World11 4th team: 2013[409]

FIFA FIFPro World11 nominee: 2019 (7th forward)[410]

La Liga Player of the Month: May 2016, December 2017,[411] October 2018, Dece

27 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Never

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It surprises me you see it that way given how highly you thought of him before we bought him. I agree tho. KDB is a very rare player. Incredible talent but not a showboat. Simply a very creative player with a very straightforward way to play. KDB will probably never win the very big prizes but everyone who saw him play should be able to say what a special player he was.

[killer1257 3,282]

It surprises me you see it that way given how highly you thought of him before we bought him. I agree tho. KDB is a very rare player. Incredible talent but not a showboat. Simply a very creative player with a very straightforward way to play. KDB will probably never win the very big prizes but everyone who saw him play should be able to say what a special player he was.

Yes, overall I know that Suarez had an incredible career. But winning the PL was not something he achieved, even though his stats were insane.

On Havertz, I still rate him highly, but KDB is a different beast overall. If Havertz could get half of KDB's passing abilities, he will definitely reach WC level. But KDB and Havertz are different players though. I think that Kai, if he fulfills his potential, might score a little bit more goals, but assist wise he will not come close to KDB.

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