🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

6 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

CHO could have been played, but the way I saw it, with mount, we were in a 4-4-2 with mount-jorginho-kante-kova defending and created a very disciplined bank of 4. Which also gave Werner the freedom to create havoc. Kai did link up the play decently well. The only thing missing was the finish. Let's be honest, we SHOULD have been 1-0 up by 44th minute. 

You’re just taking the piss now. Create Havoc? Are you mad? It was Werner vs Liverpool’s back line the entire game. No other support. 

[Tomo 21,751]

1 minute ago, DDA said:

Not impressed Frank.

It's early doors with time to improve but stop sucking Mount off. 

As i said on his thread Mount is similar to Pedro in the sense of give him a structured attack to play with he'll perform but he's not one who will be the shining light in an (attacking) shitshow like Willian was or Werner is.

[Puliiszola 519]

Just now, MoroccanBlue said:

You’re just taking the piss now. Create Havoc? Are you mad? It was Werner vs Liverpool’s back line the entire game. 

Did not I say the exact same thing? "gave Werner the freedom to create havoc"

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Never would we have conceded with 11 men on the pitch. The one frustrating thing here is this inferiority complex we have, and AC and Kepa in particular, when it comes to playing Liverpool we always manage to lose in creative ways. Conceding stupid long rangers or set pieces. Now we looked defensively well organized and then shot our selves in the foot. Both ac and Kepa should have anticipated th trajectory of that ball way better.

 We other is the mount love in. He is useless. Maybe CHO is too. But if so at least try Giroud and play Werner on the wing ffs. Mount on the Wing has to stop 

[Puliiszola 519]

2 minutes ago, Mana said:

Doesn't matter if it was a "hoof ball". It was still a chance, and if Andreas didn't foul him, it was a 90% chance that Mane would have scored.

Great. Then it proves my point. We created more chances than them. Simple as that. So what makes you think we could not have won the game in a 11v11, and what is so nonsensical about that?

[Special Juan 28,141]

20 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

The manager can surely be defended if you have half a brain. Specially when he has almost half his starting 11 missing in pulisic, ziyech, Silva, chilwell and GK. Not rocket science. 

He can also be defended by citing man City last season as an example of a similar performance we put but got a win due to pulisic's quality. The manager would infact have been vindicated if Werner had scored those 2 goals in the 1st half. So well, the manager sure CAN be defended. It's your knee jerk and obsession with "lol" that can't. But don't let all of this get in the way of your usual cribbing and moaning.

Half his starting 11 are you a laugh lad? 

Stop giving me if Werner did that and did that, he didn't and we didn't. My obsession isn't you and your LOL's but as we know that isn't a response and maybe you have learnt from that, my problem is that we are negative, lifeless and playing shite.

And by the way, I will moan, crib and call people out but I will explain it and back up my case.....easy.

[Special Juan 28,141]

6 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

You’re just taking the piss now. Create Havoc? Are you mad? It was Werner vs Liverpool’s back line the entire game. No other support. 

He's on drugs him I'm sure of it, or it's Henrique in disguise....absolute head full of magic.

[Puliiszola 519]

2 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Half his starting 11 are you a laugh lad? 

Stop giving me if Werner did that and did that, he didn't and we didn't. My obsession isn't you and your LOL's but as we know that isn't a response and maybe you have learnt from that, my problem is that we are negative, lifeless and playing shite.

And by the way, I will moan, crib and call people out but I will explain it and back up my case.....easy.

So which one of pulisic, ziyech, Silva , chilwell, Mendy do you think won't be a part of our starting 11 this season. Please do enlighten me. I mean seriously, are you THAT stupid?

What case? You think the manager is indefensible but can't even agree that he did not have HALF his starting 11 when I am bloody well naming those players. But please, continue cribbing childishly, do need a laugh. Don't get enough "Lols" in life, what with all the pandemic shit.

[Puliiszola 519]

6 minutes ago, Mana said:

Wait...how does Mane so close to making it 1-0 if it wasn't for the red card foul, proved YOUR point that we would have won?

The point (like I stated in the previous post) was regarding chances created. Also like I asked, if hoof ball chances are as important and pivotal, then what made it "nonsensical"?

[Jase 43,479]

It is almost bizarre to see us go from having a defined style of play, an identity to almost nothing in months or a year basically under Lampard. In the first half of last season, we looked exciting and had an identity in terms of how we want to play. We wanted to play on the front foot, press from the front, dominate possession and the opposition. We had the likes of Jorginho, Kante, Mount, Kovacic controlling the midfield and Pulisic, Willian, Abraham, CHO contributing in attack and we looked fluid, threatening and exciting. But somewhere along the way and I do not know if it was because of the pressure from bad results or Lampard's lack of experience, we started to revert to type, to our old selves from years ago with pragmatic football or to a more one dimensional play. In the early months of this year, our attacking player amounted to nothing more than James dumping crosses into the box most of the time. And after the restart, it basically became "give Pulisic the ball and hope for the best!" a la the Hazard days. We basically became a one man team again. We did not play any of the football that we saw in the first few months of the season. Lampard suddenly also started changing the midfield around - Kante going into the lone DM role, Jorginho being ditched (and suddenly being back in the team again) and just have Kovacic and whoever to fill out the midfield roles. What exactly is our style of play going forward? What exactly does Lampard actually want us to play? It is only two games into the season and circumstances may not have been favorable but there does not seem to be a clear identity or style of play that we want to implement. We have looked somewhat lost or caught up between different approaches. If we really want to be successful again and close the gap on Liverpool, Man City and even some others around Europe like Bayern, then we need to have a defined style of play, a clear identity. You look at Liverpool, Man City etc and you can tell and see how they play. They may make tactical tweaks against different teams but they have a defined style of play and they impose that on the opposition. They also have a consistent team selection and players know their role within the team. We do not have that. There are just too many changes and even uncertainty in the team. We need to have that certainty, we need to go back to what Lampard were trying to do at the start of last season and not flip flopping around so much. If not, we are not going to get to where we want to be and whatever grand ideas that Lampard has will just fall to pieces.

[Laylabelle 9,535]

Who knows what our style is..hope for the best? Brighton we just looked slowwww

But 2 games..we haven't conceded from corners. That's nice. Just from other places instead

[nofacej 132]

This thread has been pretty toxic for a while now and I think unnecessarily so.

I'm not one to make excuses, but let's give Lamps at least a game with the new signings he made to fix our defence before ruling that he's failed to fix it.

This obviously wasn't the result we wanted to see, but it's also the dying gasps of last season's team before all the new signings come into the side and [hopefully] make a real difference.

Had Silva been ready, Mendy been between the sticks, and Pulisic/Ziyech been fit, then this game would have looked very different.

[Puliiszola 519]

Just now, Mana said:

Let's rewind to the beginning. I called you out because you said we would have got the win if Andreas and Kepa didn't have their terror moments. I strongly disagree.

We did not trouble Allison, nor did we hit the post or bar. The "chances created" were not dangerous to the opposition.

And yes you can say the opposite with Liverpool. Except for that Mane "hoof-ball" chance. All of our "chances created" in the first half, would be for nothing if Andreas didn't rugby tackle Mane because it would have been 1-0 to the reds then.

The chances created were not dangerous? The Werner left footed shot just past Alison, the one where he was 1v1 against fabinho, but wanted to go inside rather than go out and shoot from the left, the one where mount played kante in only for kante to not shoot but pull back. You have got to be kidding if you say our counters were not dangerous. Even with the 1-0, and 11 men, based on the balance of play, we would have had a fair chance. Definitely not one that you could term as "nonsense"

[dreamcfc 182]

Lampards obsession with being adaptable is all well and good and I do think long term it could give us the edge over teams like City and Liverpool that will play their way... but first you must have a base to work from, we don't have it.

He has had a year now to decide Kante or Jorginho, he still hasnt decided. 

 

[Blue Armour 4,439]

4 hours ago, Henrique said:

You guys should also adjust your expectations. We signed Havertz, instead of Thiago Alcântara. I find really amusing that people were acting as we became PL contenders because of Havertz. Quality player, but not a world beater as many of you are trying to picture.

I honestly think Havertz's price tag has confused a lot of people.

Like you said, he is still a work in progress. One for the future.

 

[Special Juan 28,141]

17 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

So which one of pulisic, ziyech, Silva , chilwell, Mendy do you think won't be a part of our starting 11 this season. Please do enlighten me. I mean seriously, are you THAT stupid?

What case? You think the manager is indefensible but can't even agree that he did not have HALF his starting 11 when I am bloody well naming those players. But please, continue cribbing childishly, do need a laugh. Don't get enough "Lols" in life, what with all the pandemic shit.

They have to be fit to be able to play, right now Ziyech isn't, Chilwell isn't and Mendy hasn't even fucking signed. Silva hasn't kicked a ball and by the looks of things FL hasn't got a clue who he fancies because week by week it changes.

FL picks the team, formation and how we set up....He can't decide between Jorginho, Kante Kovacic, Mount etc....

By the way for weeks now your attitude around has attracted attention from all of the admins and mods, I will give you a polite remind to reign it in and quickly. Take that as you will be your on thin ice and have been for weeks and weeks.

 

[Puliiszola 519]

14 minutes ago, Mana said:

None of these examples were on target. Allison could fall asleep and we wouldn't had scored. These need to be on target and work the GK.

When you are a goal down, it can change things for the better, or worse. You don't know. 

But generally, because we are losing we would have to come out more...leaving space at the back for Mane and Salah to counter-attack us.

I totally disagree. Dangerous attacks don't just mean a shot on goal or making a keeper work. For me is creating the chance to get that shot and trouble the goalie, the end objective is what you say, but for me, an attack can be termed dangerous without them 

We were 2 goals down, a man down, got a penalty and Tammy had a good chance which was a good stop by Allison. Don't think just being a goal down would have meant us changing the whole game plan. If anything, those 2 chances showed the plan was working and would have worked if we did not have a numerical disadvantage for a whole half

[Puliiszola 519]

11 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

They have to be fit to be able to play, right now Ziyech isn't, Chilwell isn't and Mendy hasn't even fucking signed. Silva hasn't kicked a ball and by the looks of things FL hasn't got a clue who he fancies because week by week it changes.

FL picks the team, formation and how we set up....He can't decide between Jorginho, Kante Kovacic, Mount etc....

By the way for weeks now your attitude around has attracted attention from all of the admins and mods, I will give you a polite remind to reign it in and quickly. Take that as you will be your on thin ice and have been for weeks and weeks.

 

Oh my God, is not that what it means to be missing players. Is not that the point that FL did not have HALf his first team. Ziyech, puli, chilwell, Silva each of them will be the mainstay. As will Mendy, whether he has signed yet or not. 

 

Wow, so just because someone calls you out for your asenine opinion, you are seriously gonna pull this? Show me my last debate. Have not even posted here in a couple of weeks. The last time I had anything was with vesper which contained nothing of foul language or racist behaviours. You know what, go pull rank on somebody that Cares. Pathetic. Unfortunately for you, talkchelsea is not the be-all and end-all of 99% of everyone's life.

[Blue Armour 4,439]

44 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Never would we have conceded with 11 men on the pitch. The one frustrating thing here is this inferiority complex we have, and AC and Kepa in particular, when it comes to playing Liverpool we always manage to lose in creative ways. Conceding stupid long rangers or set pieces. Now we looked defensively well organized and then shot our selves in the foot. Both ac and Kepa should have anticipated th trajectory of that ball way better.

 We other is the mount love in. He is useless. Maybe CHO is too. But if so at least try Giroud and play Werner on the wing ffs. Mount on the Wing has to stop 

Yeah, the Mount on the wing experiment can stop.

Looks like Werner can also do a job defensively if played on the wing. Works very hard.

[Jase 43,479]

It is "strange" that we are so wrapped up with the idea of our wingers/wide players needing to track back into our own defensive area when those at the likes of Man City and Liverpool do not really do that.