🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

People are overrating certain player's performances in our title winning season under Conte by excluding crucial factors. 

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1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

People are overrating certain player's performances in our title winning season under Conte by excluding crucial factors. 

you probably refer to azpi.

azpi is a renown defender, regardless of position. Never really considered good at attacking. So, the problem wasn’t so much that azpi wasn’t playing cb, but that he was playing in the most ineffective position for a player of his characteristics.

Also, the 3 cbs aren’t good at joining the middle either, like luiz did, so that also hurt us in that formation.

so, a far better manager wins the pl with azpi playing cb very well and in every match. Now the first time frank uses a 3cb formation, he ignores all that? Perhaps azpi would have been used to playing cb in a 3cb? btw I did think that was the wrong choices to face Valencia at home(posted on match thread before the game).

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

50 minutes ago, Robchels said:

you probably refer to azpi.

azpi is a renown defender, regardless of position. Never really considered good at attacking. So, the problem wasn’t so much that azpi wasn’t playing cb, but that he was playing in the most ineffective position for a player of his characteristics.

Also, the 3 cbs aren’t good at joining the middle either, like luiz did, so that also hurt us in that formation.

so, a far better manager wins the pl with azpi playing cb very well and in every match. Now the first time frank uses a 3cb formation, he ignores all that? Perhaps azpi would have been used to playing cb in a 3cb? btw I did think that was the wrong choices to face Valencia at home(posted on match thread before the game).

No. Moses and Alonso primarily. No issues with Dave as a CB in a back 3 

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5 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

No. Moses and Alonso primarily. No issues with Dave as a CB in a back 3 

Agee regarding Moses, but not Alonso. even if I did not like him as a player, I do, his numbers during the winning campaign are kinda hard to dismiss.

and much of what I saw during that time reappeared just like magic when he’s back in the wb position.

that’s one can of worms tho - we’ve been there before.

btw, my point above was that even if Moses did an ok job in that position, Pedro could’ve done that too against Valencia.

[Jase 43,479]

Our defending is gonna be Lampard's undoing...

[Milan 17,958]

Someone more experienced needs to be hired as another assistant. Heck, hire even Terry, a proper defender but defending needs some serious coaching.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

4 minutes ago, Jason said:

Our defending is gonna be Lampard's undoing...

It will be if it doesn't change. Setting up for defending from set plays is done on the training ground so constantly conceding goals from them is a reflection on him, Jody and whoever else and whatever they are trying to get across.

Not playing Pulisic in any capacity v Valencia and even not starting him today also looks like a mistake for me. He has pace and geniune ability to take players out of the game in 1 v 1s. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

It will be if it doesn't change. Setting up for defending from set plays is done on the training ground so constantly conceding goals from them is a reflection on him, Jody and whoever else and whatever they are trying to get across.

Not playing Pulisic in any capacity v Valencia and even not starting him today also looks like a mistake for me. He has pace and geniune ability to take players out of the game in 1 v 1s. 

It's not just the set piece defending, it's also the defending from open play. Hate to say he's right but Mourinho talked about being compact defensively in our opening game and that's what we aren't at the moment. We just don't look solid in general. Every opponent attack feels like it's gonna result in some sort of chance or some sort of panic/mistake in defence. Look at that first Liverpool goal today. It all came about because Kovacic/Jorginho pressed Mane in half-hearted manner and he went past them like they weren't even there. That's just one example. There have been so many times already this season where opponents just ghost past our midfield. Kante in there will help but he can't do it all alone. He can't do it all alone when there's no coherent effort in our pressing and the others are so flimsy and pathetic with their challenges! 

[LAM09 7,056]

Drop Zonal marking!

It was more than problematic last season and he somehow hasn't changed shit thus far. Needs to stop persisting with a flawed idea.

[Laylabelle 9,535]

Still waiting on his first home win... Bloody hope it comes Wed's or there's no hope! Then Brighton after that be nice. 

Need to practise defending. A lot! 

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56 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Drop Zonal marking!

It was more than problematic last season and he somehow hasn't changed shit thus far. Needs to stop persisting with a flawed idea.

Kinda crosses your mind doesn’t it. I mean after pools #9 gets two free headers scoring from one.  

[BlueLion. 21,491]

He looks out of his depth tactically. I think he was very naive in the way he set up so deep, if that was indeed the intention.

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1 minute ago, BlueLion. said:

He looks out of his depth tactically. I think he was very naive in the way he set up so deep, if that was indeed the intention.

If only we defend with the same intensity and commitment we put into our attack...

[BlueLion. 21,491]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

If only we defend with the same intensity and commitment we put into our attack...

I do think it is a personnel rather than tactical/formational problem - square pegs, round holes and all that... but we saw last season the effect of failing to compromise as a manager, and it is repeating itself this year. He is probably even more stubborn than Sarri. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, BlueLion. said:

I do think it is a personnel rather than tactical/formational problem - square pegs, round holes and all that... but we saw last season the effect of failing to compromise as a manager, and it is repeating itself this year. He is probably even more stubborn than Sarri. 

Everything about us just feels very loose at the moment. 

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

Majority of goals this season we conceded because of Azpi and Zouma. Today Azpi and Chris made fouls that lead to goals. Alonso and Chris again with poor marking for second goal. Logically speaking when we play our best four at the back James, Rudiger, Tomori, Emerson we won't concede much goals. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

20 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Majority of goals this season we conceded because of Azpi and Zouma. Today Azpi and Chris made fouls that lead to goals. Alonso and Chris again with poor marking for second goal. Logically speaking when we play our best four at the back James, Rudiger, Tomori, Emerson we won't concede much goals. 

Maybe from open play, but at set pieces I'm not sure. It isn't just those you mentioned that aren't tightly marking, it's everyone. 

 

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23 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Majority of goals this season we conceded because of Azpi and Zouma. Today Azpi and Chris made fouls that lead to goals. Alonso and Chris again with poor marking for second goal. Logically speaking when we play our best four at the back James, Rudiger, Tomori, Emerson we won't concede much goals. 

Have to disagree here.

set pieces is the entire team responsibility. 

Even if azpi started slow, happens with older players, he’s already back to his norm imo.

it seems that regardless who plays, we concede goals all the same.

aside from the obvious issue with set pieces, I think it has more to do with the directness that our young players play which makes defending difficult, esp when under pressure. Gotta keep the ball when the opposition presses high.

tammy was very very poor in the first 30min or so. Missed easy passes, touches, and made no runs. The opposition then has the ball more and hence attacks more.

[DDA 9,941]

40 minutes ago, BlueLion. said:

He looks out of his depth tactically. I think he was very naive in the way he set up so deep, if that was indeed the intention.

I honestly don't know how you can say that from watching today's game. We were the better team. It is individuals who are letting us down. Frank has gone toe to toe with arguably one of the greatest managers of the modern era and has nowhere near disgraced himself. Take Ole Gunner for instance, now he is waaaaayyy out of his depth and it shows quite clearly... whereas Frank has actually surprised me with the way we are performing. His subs are abit questionable but that will come with time.

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