Nicco 927 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, ZAPHOD2319 said: If anyone said in preseason that we would have a 6 game lead in 4th place in the last week of January, they would have been laughed at. Lampard's team is ahead of expectations. It is a roller coaster ride, but we all knew that would be the case from preseason. Saying we should sack a manager that has a team higher in the standings than expected is bizarre to me. We aren't in the Top 4 because of Lampard, lets make that clear because some like to twist it like Lampard is doing good because of his league position, any other season and we would be outside the Top 6 easily, there is a big reason there are 10 points between us and the 14th place. Lampard is incredibly lucky our other rivals are just as much of a mess as us, definitely one of the worst PL season I've ever seen in terms of quality, entertaining maybe in terms of closeness and how tight it is. I'm pretty sure most here watch every rival game in hopes they lose points instead of thinking Lampard can get us Top 4 because that's the sad reality. Vybz Kartel and Mana 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Atomiswave said: At our best we have been very good imo and the right path but man they are so so in between. Mostly its just repeated mistakes now with seemingly no remedy. His tactics leave alot to be desired but at the same time has done tactcial changes to our benefit.....Again he is on a learning curve himself. He needs to be more astute, he should have sat back a bit and play safe when 10 man arsenal was all over us, and then hit on the break, but thats easy to say in hindsight I know but still. Even klopp after all these years and transfers dont go gung hoo anymore. And FL def needs to be more vocal on the sidelines otherwise the players think what they are doing is ok, he cant look like a man waiting on the bus when we need him most. If by next season the same mistakes and issues are still there then he is done.....lets hope its not the case. At what point exactly were 10 man Arsenal 'all over us'?! I think any team would rightly push for the second goal in that situation. Massive mistakes were made for the goals but I don't hold Lampard accountable for them. If some of our players need hand holding to prevent such naive mistakes such as not following positional instructions at set pieces and not kicking the ball out of play for time and game management then they will not last much longer here. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, Mana said: Exactly. Chelsea has been playing in relegation form just under 2 months. Lampard isn't doing good, it's the footballing gods that keep reviving Lampard from losing that top 4 spot. Just like the footballing gods are helping Liverpool. It's up to the footballing gods on when they finally stop giving Lampard lifelines. We get it, you think Lampard is doing a shit job, that he's lucky the other teams are shit and we are lucky to be in the Top 4 bla bla bla. Do you fellas have anything else to talk about here other than your endless/incessant moaning about Lampard? killer1257 and bigbluewillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, Mana said: Exactly. Chelsea has been playing in relegation form just under 2 months. Lampard isn't doing good, it's the footballing gods that keep reviving Lampard from losing that top 4 spot. Just like the footballing gods are helping Liverpool. It's up to the footballing gods on when they finally stop giving Lampard lifelines. We've been in pretty poor form that's obvious, but the 16 teams below us have barely got any closer to us. We're in 4th place on merit because we strung an excellent run of wins together earlier in the season. If the teams below us are incapable of doing the same then they don't deserve to get above us. To be honest, we're in transition and have a lot of work to do, but the league as a whole is probably the poorest it's been in years, the top two obviously excluded and we're clearly benefiting from that at the moment. But footballing gods? Bloody hell, we might as well talk about fairies and unicorns coming up to Lampard's window and spraying some magic dust on him when he's in bed at night! Milan, Tomo, Bosnian Blue and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicco 927 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jason said: We get it, you think Lampard is doing a shit job, that he's lucky the other teams are shit and we are in the Top 4 bla bla bla. Do you fellas have anything else to talk about here other than your endless/incessant moaning about Lampard? Funny comment considering Sarri was threated way worse last season and you didn't seem to mind his thread bashing. BlueLion., Mana, OneMoSalah and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, Nicco said: Funny comment considering Sarri was threated way worse last season and you didn't seem to mind his thread bashing. Perhaps it was worse but this scenario? It's 100000% worse because it's the same 2-3 people moaning about the same thing over and over and over again, NON-STOP and those people only seem to be doing that and pop up to do that when things go shit. bigbluewillie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 46 minutes ago, Mana said: Exactly. Chelsea has been playing in relegation form just under 2 months. Lampard isn't doing good, it's the footballing gods that keep reviving Lampard from losing that top 4 spot. Just like the footballing gods are helping Liverpool. It's up to the footballing gods on when they finally stop giving Lampard lifelines. I've just had a look at your posting history and you've posted more in the last week than you did during the entirety of our winning run. Bosnian Blue and bigbluewillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,185 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said: But footballing gods? Bloody hell, we might as well talk about fairies and unicorns coming up to Lampard's window and spraying some magic dust on him when he's in bed at night! Lamps needs Thor and Freyja Atomiswave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 6 hours ago, Mana said: EDIT: Urgh, the irony. Stop moaning about me moaning. It's boring. lol I only moan because of your incessant moaning! bigbluewillie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 6 hours ago, Tomo said: I've just had a look at your posting history and you've posted more in the last week than you did during the entirety of our winning run. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Mana said: And who's fault was that? You don't quote me to argue when we are on our winning run! More like you only post and moan when things go shit. But when things are go well, you have nothing to say. Almost as if you thrive when things are shit... Bosnian Blue, killer1257 and bigbluewillie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 15 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said: At what point exactly were 10 man Arsenal 'all over us'?! I think any team would rightly push for the second goal in that situation. Massive mistakes were made for the goals but I don't hold Lampard accountable for them. If some of our players need hand holding to prevent such naive mistakes such as not following positional instructions at set pieces and not kicking the ball out of play for time and game management then they will not last much longer here. Maybe not all over us yes but def looked more at ease than us. Looked composed and with a clear way of damaging us when it counts. None of us at the time thought we have this in control. That second half was some boring predicatble shit by us.....yes Lamps aint at fault for those mistakes but I didnt see him shout at them, guiding them. Already after we scored he should have tore them a new one when he saw how we just suddenly went to sleep mode and let them off the hook, that was the first killer blow right there. 11 hours ago, Vesper said: Lamps needs Thor and Freyja Fuck Thor....we need Kratos to tear these guys to pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 20 hours ago, Nicco said: We aren't in the Top 4 because of Lampard, lets make that clear because some like to twist it like Lampard is doing good because of his league position, any other season and we would be outside the Top 6 easily. That's funny because I've just looked up the table at this stage of the season in previous years dating back to 14/15 and 40 points for us in those season's at the same stage would have us in the top 6 (a position almost everyone universally agreed would be acceptable under the circumstances) and all but once firmly in the race for top four, but please do carry on.... Bosnian Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Tbf I think its a fair point to say aeve been lucky the other teams around us havent done so well while we have struggled in recent games. To call it luck of the footballing gods is another thing. I think if Spurs had performed better under Mourinho (as I felt they would have personally because they have the firepower) we could have been out the top 4. United we have a bit more of a chance with because they are as fucked as we are if not more so but again they seem to manage to nick points in big games bar the Liverpool one, where as we really tend to struggle in the big games, which based on how we are doing in the smaller games could determine our top 4 status this season. I do seem to remember when we only finished 3rd under Sarri due to the 'other teams playing poorly as opposed to us doing well last season... I think it could be more the same this season if we manage it. The people making out people are moaning about Lampard all probably moaned a lot about Jose, Conte and Sarri.... fans moaning about managers not doing well isnt exactly unwarranted, its not as if we are playing great just now and Lampard doesnt deserve the criticism from fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,324 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 On 24/01/2020 at 2:41 AM, Mana said: And who's fault was that? You don't quote me to argue when we are on our winning run! You had completely same narrative around this time last year. We finished third and won EL. So in the end it was pointless. Let's hope it's the same scenario this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 10 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: The people making out people are moaning about Lampard all probably moaned a lot about Jose, Conte and Sarri.... fans moaning about managers not doing well isnt exactly unwarranted, its not as if we are playing great just now and Lampard doesnt deserve the criticism from fans? Constructive critisism is fine, however there's one certain person on here that's so agenda ridden and unobjective he can't even bring himself to praise Frank for the Spurs game. Bosnian Blue, Milan, Jase and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11916646/chelsea-boss-frank-lampard-right-to-be-worried-about-his-sides-expected-goals-stats Our xG numbers are hopelessly bad this season (except AWAY offensive xG). No wonder Lampard looked soooooo frustrated post-match yesterday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jason said: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11916646/chelsea-boss-frank-lampard-right-to-be-worried-about-his-sides-expected-goals-stats Our xG numbers are hopelessly bad this season (except AWAY offensive xG). No wonder Lampard looked soooooo frustrated post-match yesterday... As frustrating as it is it's also something to give hope. 99% of the time when a team under or overperforms their XG/XP they revert to their medium at some point. It's accurately forecast Tottenham's downfall, that Emery's spell at Arsenal wasn't sustainable, City's rise to dominance, United's miserable end under Jose (although I guess that was obvious to anyone) amoung other things. Looking at this season's table I think it's safe to predict Newcastle will likely be relegated this season or next. As the saying goes, it's better to be wasting chances than not creating atall. That's one of the reason's I'm not questioning Lampard yet, because the problems are mainly structural, although he does have aspects that need improving (his team selections especially). Vesper and Bosnian Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Hes December on the calander..maybe a bit to into the future. Least he sounds confused and annoyed as we all do. Not trying pass everything off as fine. We are making costly errors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,185 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 The board is not backing him now and I think there is a good chance they will not in the summer either. Especially if we do not make the CL. We have MASSIVE holes at CF and LB, team crushing holes, and yet they couldn't even sort out those 2 things Yet (adding up the 4 or 5 targets that ALL assume we go for and get in summer) we know think they will drop 300m, 350m THEN????? LOLOLOL and that 300-350m is with us NOT doing anything in terms of GK, CB. DMF, AMF, CMF and possibly having Alonso still as a LB option LOLOLOL I think the board will use Frank as a shield if thing go truly fucking pear shaped (no CL and a nightmare summer 2020 window) DDA and Mana 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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