Viper22 2,418 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 To play proactive football and building play from the back ?Varane, Laporte, Otamendi and co. would replace Cahill.Agree with Varane because he's world class. Would love us to buy him. Laporte is a great prospect for the future but we already have Zouma who is of a similar level. He would also be a great signing but probably better to wait untilJT has gone first, otherwise one of him and Zouma aren't getting game time. Otamendi is good. But he is neither young nor world class. I'm not convinced he's any better than Cahill tbh. So why him?If we're going for the finished article CB, Hummels, one of the 3 Juve CBs or Godin would be much better shouts IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,702 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 http://www.espnfc.com.au/story/2464018/gonzalo-castro-signs-for-borussia-dortmund-from-leverkusenCastro joins Dortmund from LeverkusenGood buy for them LondonsFinest and quickpassnmove 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamad138 190 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I want baba and mourinho want him also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Otamendi is good. But he is neither young nor world class. I'm not convinced he's any better than Cahill tbh. So why him?If we're going for the finished article CB, Hummels, one of the 3 Juve CBs or Godin would be much better shouts IMO.Well imo Otamendi is better than Varane and better than Hummels. And I hear from a lot of La Liga fans that he was the best CB in the league this season.I dont know if he worth the money for us, but i think you underrate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Agree with Varane because he's world class. Would love us to buy him. Laporte is a great prospect for the future but we already have Zouma who is of a similar level. He would also be a great signing but probably better to wait untilJT has gone first, otherwise one of him and Zouma aren't getting game time.Otamendi is good. But he is neither young nor world class. I'm not convinced he's any better than Cahill tbh. So why him?If we're going for the finished article CB, Hummels, one of the 3 Juve CBs or Godin would be much better shouts IMO.Laporte is currently better than Zouma.Zouma is good young player, who is improving, but he is still way off having proper positional sense. He was atrocious in the summer, when he couldn't control Akinfenwa and other players movement from Wimbledon team. He will be good in 2-3 years but he is still on big learning curve.Laporte entertain interest from Real, Barcelona, Man Utd etc. He's really, really good and I think he's at the level when he could already take CB spot next to Terry seamlessly.Otamendi is easily top 5 CB in the world from this season. Anyone who has watched him regularly will say that. But he won't leave.Chelsea need fast, proactive defender with ball-playing skills. Hummels is not proactive, besides he's Man Utd if he does move. Godin is neither, though he is VERY good, but not the type we're after. Chiellini just signed new contract, which is a pity, so he's no go (his last deal was expiring by the June 2015 so he surely signed new one to stay). Barzagli is too old and Bonucci is the worst of them, not good enough.Personally I think Chelsea will fight for Varane and alternatives are Laporte, Stones, Manolas, Sokratis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Well imo Otamendi is better than Varane and better than Hummels. And I hear from a lot of La Liga fans that he was the best CB in the league this season.I dont know if he worth the money for us, but i think you underrate him.That's one hell of a bold call.It's all up for debate and I must admit I don't watch La Liga as much as other European Leagues as the diving and cheating gets on my nerves so i'd be willing to accept it.Maybe I do underrate him, but he would have to be a bloody good CB to be better than those 2 you mentioned. If we do sign him and he is then good on our scouts and you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Laporte is currently better than Zouma.Zouma is good young player, who is improving, but he is still way off having proper positional sense. He was atrocious in the summer, when he couldn't control Akinfenwa and other players movement from Wimbledon team. He will be good in 2-3 years but he is still on big learning curve.Laporte entertain interest from Real, Barcelona, Man Utd etc. He's really, really good and I think he's at the level when he could already take CB spot next to Terry seamlessly.Otamendi is easily top 5 CB in the world from this season. Anyone who has watched him regularly will say that. But he won't leave.Chelsea need fast, proactive defender with ball-playing skills. Hummels is not proactive, besides he's Man Utd if he does move. Godin is neither, though he is VERY good, but not the type we're after. Chiellini just signed new contract, which is a pity, so he's no go (his last deal was expiring by the June 2015 so he surely signed new one to stay). Barzagli is too old and Bonucci is the worst of them, not good enough.Personally I think Chelsea will fight for Varane and alternatives are Laporte, Stones, Manolas, Sokratis.At least you're looking for a specific type of player and I commend you for that.He could well be top 5 in the world this year but he has to do that consistently to be seen as a world class player (I know you never said that, but just saying). For instance Harry Kane has been one of the best strikers in Europe this year, we need to wait and see if he maintains it for years to come to decide whether he's just a flash in the pan or not though..Personally the only CB's i'd personally sign are Varane, Laporte, Hummels or Stones. Any others aren't that much better than Zouma IMO to deserve being brought to the club when hes already settled here.Manolas is as yet unproven (only 1 season at a decent club, no offense to Olympiakos, but it's true) and Sokratis really isn't that good (trust me here I watch a lot of Dortmund as my brother is a huge fan of theirs!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 He could well be top 5 in the world this year but he has to do that consistently to be seen as a world class player (I know you never said that, but just saying). For instance Harry Kane has been one of the best strikers in Europe this year, we need to wait and see if he maintains it for years to come to decide whether he's just a flash in the pan or not though..Yeah you're right and I wrote this few times in Otamendi topic. Leaving this season aside, he was average for Porto for most part of his time there. Mangala was easily better and Otamendi was sold for only 12m€. Porto usually sells for 25m€+ and they were happy to sell Otamendi for 12m€ even though they bought him for 8m€. For me it's telling. Viper22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 That's one hell of a bold call.It's all up for debate and I must admit I don't watch La Liga as much as other European Leagues as the diving and cheating gets on my nerves so i'd be willing to accept it.Maybe I do underrate him, but he would have to be a bloody good CB to be better than those 2 you mentioned. If we do sign him and he is then good on our scouts and you!!I dont think its bold at all, Varane and especially Hummles are from from perfect CBs, i see both as vulnerable (making quite a lot of errors) and Hummles is actually very slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I want baba and mourinho want him also.He is really that good ? How about his play in the air, how strong is he ? Apparently we want to offer 15m€ to Augsburg for him. Reddish-Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechromancer 262 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 The guy(Otamendi) has great beard. And he rape Messi in his last match against Barcelona. So, I very much agree with Skipper.About Hummels, yeah he's slow and loves his cave. The argentinean isn't too fast, again. That's why Varane is so perfect in my eyes; is pretty fast. Is a central for a big team who plays more in the other area. Maybe the french is too "affable", but is normal, i mean, he has 22 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Agree with Varane because he's world class. Would love us to buy him. Laporte is a great prospect for the future but we already have Zouma who is of a similar level. He would also be a great signing but probably better to wait untilJT has gone first, otherwise one of him and Zouma aren't getting game time. Otamendi is good. But he is neither young nor world class. I'm not convinced he's any better than Cahill tbh. So why him?If we're going for the finished article CB, Hummels, one of the 3 Juve CBs or Godin would be much better shouts IMO.Otamendi was the best CB in La Liga this season. BlueLyon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Otamendi was the best CB in La Liga this season.Its funny Valencia bought Otamendi and Mustafi for same money they sold Mathieu to barca.IMO Valencia had best cb pair in liga this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,100 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Otamendi was the best CB in La Liga this season.He did well, but it could be a one off. Was very poor in Brazil a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Assuming we do not get Koke nor Pogburr, who do you like for CM? Until I watched highlights from the Stoke match, I had recently forgotten N'Zonzi. N'Zonzi is, for me a good choice at CM: stature, skill, experience in EPL, and full of running.Who else is out there, either in the UK or in continental Europe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illmatic 901 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Some minutes ago in the Spain press. Otamendi's agent: "Nico wants to leave Valencia". "Nico said to Salvo (Sport Manager to Valencia) 2 months ago, that he wants to leave Valencia". "He will have a better profesional option". "There are many conversations with various clubs that wants to sign to Him". "Is very important the will of the player if not come a offer with the price of the release clause (50M)". Surely he will go to Manchester, They will pay the release clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,100 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Some minutes ago in the Spain press.Otamendi's agent: "Nico wants to leave Valencia"."Nico said to Salvo (Sport Manager to Valencia) 2 months ago, that he wants to leave Valencia"."He will have a better profesional option"."There are many conversations with various clubs that wants to sign to Him"."Is very important the will of the player if not come a offer with the price of the release clause (50M)".Surely he will go to Manchester, They will pay the release clause.Crazy to think he wants to leave already. I guess there must be something in it, as CL football isn't the reason behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Crazy to think he wants to leave already. I guess there must be something in it, as CL football isn't the reason behind it.Why is it crazy to want to leave Valencia to a bigger club with better wages and better chance of winning things? He's 27 already, that's the time. illmatic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,100 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Why is it crazy to want to leave Valencia to a bigger club with better wages and better chance of winning things?He fought to get out of Porto and was loaned to Mineiro, and now he's doing the same in less than a year. Think it says enough about the player. More money is probably the reason for wanting to leave, as Valencia are on the up. didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamad138 190 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 He is really that good ? How about his play in the air, how strong is he ? Apparently we want to offer 15m€ to Augsburg for him.He is very good. But I think we need to pay more because city and madrid also bid for him. mata_brilliance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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