The only place to be 11,313 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Assumptions or axioms? Lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 If i was offered Witsel to be wearing Chelsea blue next month but no one else signs, i would accept without thinking, get that CM in and we can sort anything else out next summer.What i would like to see (starting next season at the latest) is Jose using one bench slot for a young player he has big plans for and bring them on when we are winning comfortably, if you do that 10 times, it all adds up. I wish he was doing it now with Kalas and Omerou to be honest. Reddish-Blue, mediator and Mufassir08 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Lies.That's what you tell yourself...Gab Marcotti wrote an article and spoke about it back in the summer on ESPN. Along with many others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Assumptions or axioms? We were very close to signing one of Luis Gustavo / De Rossi / Etc. but Mourinho pulled the plug on it because, as many reports during the summer stated, he wanted Lampard in his first 11 week in week out. And he knew if he signed one of those players that wouldn't be possible. Hence he signed Van Ginkel.And what does make this so apparent to make it an axiom?That's what you tell yourself...Gab Marcotti wrote an article and spoke about it back in the summer on ESPN. Along with many others.How does Gab Marcotti know? Did he himself speak to Mourinho and the board to ascertain if van Ginkel was bought to satiate Lampard's ego?Besides why don't you post the articles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,503 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Lies.There not lies. Is Lampard starting nearly every game because he deserves to? NoLampard is the starting CM because Jose/the board failed to bring in a quality CM and Mikel isn't consistent enough to control the midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 There not lies. Is Lampard starting nearly every game because he deserves to? NoLampard is the starting CM because Jose/the board failed to bring in a quality CM and Mikel isn't consistent enough to control the midfield.Sorry, but he implied that we didn't bring in a midfielder because Mourinho wanted to keep Lampard's ego tamed. That is a lie. He is a liar.Lampard is starting games because we have no-one else who can. He isn't perfect and he's had poor games, but the other options are either not much better or non-existent. Reddish-Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Assumptions or axioms? We were very close to signing one of Luis Gustavo / De Rossi / Etc. but Mourinho pulled the plug on it because, as many reports during the summer stated, he wanted Lampard in his first 11 week in week out. And he knew if he signed one of those players that wouldn't be possible. Hence he signed Van Ginkel.Which reports exactly? Plus i have just googled Luis Gustavo and Chelsea, the only 'reports' i can see are that he turned us down, not the other way round. The only place to be and Strike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,503 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Sorry, but he implied that we didn't bring in a midfielder because Mourinho wanted to keep Lampard's ego tamed. That is a lie. He is a liar.Lampard is starting games because we have no-one else who can. He isn't perfect and he's had poor games, but the other options are either not much better or non-existent.My apologies...didn't understand what you meant when you said "Lies".Hope we add some steel to the midfield in January as that could be the difference between winning the PL & finishing 2nd/3rd The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 And what does make this so apparent to make it an axiom?How does Gab Marcotti know? Did he himself speak to Mourinho and the board to ascertain if van Ginkel was bought to satiate Lampard's ego?Besides why don't you post the articles?Well, Lampard has been playing every game. We ended up not signing a senior player in that position and bought a young lad who wasn't brought in to be in the first 11. Basically everything he - along with others - said came true on the evidence so far.I can't be bothered really, people can always google it themselves. They can go on youtube and look for Press Pass FC videos where the subject was discussed as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Sorry, but he implied that we didn't bring in a midfielder because Mourinho wanted to keep Lampard's ego tamed. That is a lie. He is a liar.Lampard is starting games because we have no-one else who can. He isn't perfect and he's had poor games, but the other options are either not much better or non-existent.Yes because Lampard's persona is so perfect he'll be canonised right? It's not like his ego toppled 2 or 3 managers or anything when they tried to move him on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Well, Lampard has been playing every game. We ended up not signing a senior player in that position and bought a young lad who wasn't brought in to be in the first 11. Basically everything he - along with others - said came true on the evidence so far.I can't be bothered really, people can always google it themselves. They can go on youtube and look for Press Pass FC videos where the subject was discussed as well...Given the circumstances of Marco van Ginkel it's unfair to say that wouldn't be in the starting XI if it weren't for his injury. It is uncertain that if he were uninjured that he would still be a bench player.Well you are the one that brought it into the conversation, I would have thought you would have the common courtesy to share the links. I don't see why I should have to go on a hunt for sources that you have used to justify your statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 There not lies. Is Lampard starting nearly every game because he deserves to? NoLampard is the starting CM because Jose/the board failed to bring in a quality CM and Mikel isn't consistent enough to control the midfield.Exactly.Let us use a bit of logic here.We had 18 million to spend on Andre, 32 million to spend on Willian but not enough money to buy a top class CM/DM?We're in the Champions League and competing for every trophy, most - if not all - players would love to play for us, why do you think we didn't bring any player for that position given how scarce our talent pool is in there?It might have a little something to do with the return of Mourinho and his ideology of giving Lampard that one year extension, and telling journalists during the summer that Lampard was gonna be a first 11 player in the upcoming season. The reports mentioned Lampard and Ramires along with other names, meaning the signing of a top class player for that role would be redundant as that would result in Lampard being benched.Whether people like it or not, that's the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Exactly.Let us use a bit of logic here.We had 18 million to spend on Andre, 32 million to spend on Willian but not enough money to buy a top class CM/DM?We're in the Champions League and competing for every trophy, most - if not all - players would love to play for us, why do you think we didn't bring any player in that position given how scarce our talent pool is in there?It might have a little something to do with the return of Mourinho and his ideology of giving Lampard that one year extension, and telling journalists during the summer that Lampard was gonna be a first 11 player in the upcoming season. The reports mentioned Lampard and Ramires along with other names, meaning the signing of a top class player in that position would be redundant as that would result in Lampard being benched.Whether people like it or not, that's the truth.Where does his ego fit into this then? Seems like it was Mourinho's decision to make use of Lampard, not give in to his ego, from what your saying anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Where does his ego fit into this then? Seems like it was Mourinho's decision to make use of Lampard, not give in to his ego, from what your saying anyway.Well, ask Villas Boas, Benitez, Di Matteo...Here is what Lampard said after our game against the Hammers:"If I can keep contributing here... I don't want to be a passenger, sitting on the bench and not doing much, even in my older years. So, as I said, I will take it year by year."Now, doesn't that quote explain why Mourinho, who I repeat told journalists in the summer he wanted Lampard in the team every week, did not sign a top player to play alongside Ramires?How would that work with Lampard, who said it himself he's not here to be on the bench "not doing much", if we had a player who, unlike Frank, fit the position like a Mangala, Pogba, Witsel, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Well, ask Villas Boas, Benitez, Di Matteo...Here is what Lampard said after our game against the Hammers:"If I can keep contributing here... I don't want to be a passenger, sitting on the bench and not doing much, even in my older years. So, as I said, I will take it year by year."Now, doesn't that quote explain why Mourinho, who I repeat told journalists in the summer he wanted Lampard in the team every week, did not sign a top player to play alongside Ramires?How would that work with Lampard, who said it himself he's not here to be on the bench "not doing much", if we had a player who, unlike Frank, fit the position like a Mangala, Pogba, Witsel, etc?How is that ego? I'm sure every football worth his grain wants to play as much as possible and contribute as much to the cause. Lampard wants to play, Mourinho wants to play him. I see no issue of ego here. I'm sure they could start with Lampard, it's not an impossibility.Mangala is a centre half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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