Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

[Superblue 6,372]

12 minutes ago, Dimitr said:

If we want to win trophies we must spend BIG . Who is musonda? I don’t care if he has great potential he isn’t ready for us . We are not the team to develop him. Loan for 2-3years. ,buy one world class player and it’s all ok. 

Its simple .christiensen became a good cb from Germany not from Chelsea.

Spending big can help compete but has no guarantees. 2 summers ago we brought Kante for around £30m when United were buying Pogba for £90m. 

Don't get me wrong Pogba is an excellent player, but we have got far more value out of our purchase of Kante.

Our starting defence for most of this season has been Courtois (£7m), Azpi (£7m), Christensen (Free) and Cahill (£7m). I would rather this than the millions United and City have spent on their defences which are no better than ours. 

We have to compete when necessary I agree, but in a time of absolute ridiculous transfer fees I'm happy that the club are trying to find better value in their signings then they perhaps have not done in previous years gone by.

[Unionjack 7,531]

6 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Spending big can help compete but has no guarantees. 2 summers ago we brought Kante for around £30m when United were buying Pogba for £90m. 

Don't get me wrong Pogba is an excellent player, but we have got far more value out of our purchase of Kante.

Our starting defence for most of this season has been Courtois (£7m), Azpi (£7m), Christensen (Free) and Cahill (£7m). I would rather this than the millions United and City have spent on their defences which are no better than ours. 

We have to compete when necessary I agree, but in a time of absolute ridiculous transfer fees I'm happy that the club are trying to find better value in their signings then they perhaps have not done in previous years gone by.

But we need the scouts to look at the players like that.

But tell me just what our supporters would say if we started buying a load of £10m players? The interweb would burn. Everyone would be screaming for blood saying why arent we buying £100m players.

I'm a bit like that too but I also realise theres cheap talent available too. Its getting the riht ballance and guy for the job. Just look how peeps dont like Rossy. Classy player dirt cheap. A risk buying any player no matter if £10m or £100m.

[LAM09 7,043]

If we want to win trophies we must spend BIG . Who is musonda? I don’t care if he has great potential he isn’t ready for us . We are not the team to develop him. Loan for 2-3years. ,buy one world class player and it’s all ok. 
Its simple .christiensen became a good cb from Germany not from Chelsea.

We've probably sent 80+ players out on loan and only two players have managed to become starters. It's clear to see that isn't the answer, especially when many of them can't get minutes at lesser clubs.

[nono 791]

4 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

This. We have some useles players in squad who deserve to be benched, yet no one has the balls to actualy play our talented youth like Sterling, Salter, Odoi, Ampadu or Musonda for couple games.

I would get it if we are in title race or having squad filled with superstars but come on. 

Maybe we have overhyped kids who realy arent that promising at all, but fuck give them a damn start or two. Even Real, Barca, Psg plays their kids in cup games. Norwich would be perfect example yet we throw first team players who shown zero fucks. 

And its gonna be the same next time. 

Yeah Ampadu is getting some (very limited) minutes, others not at all. I can see Odoi or Sterling may not be "ready" yet, but Musonda? 

Nah we  just play Willian and Pedro 😑

We are lacking wingbacks and wingers, we have three youth players that can play in those positions but the board does fuck all. 

Thats one and only thing I realy blame Conte. Scared to lose vs norwich so he throws regulars who perform like shit instead of giving chance to Sterling, Ampadu Musonda and Odoi in second half. 

Next game is played at home and I bet we wont see youth again bar maybe Ampadu.

The way this club runs youth is plain awful. 

This is one of the most frustrating aspects of being a Chelsea fan.

[the wes 7,212]

4 hours ago, Dimitr said:

Loan for 2-3years. 

Its simple .christiensen became a good cb from Germany not from Chelsea.

I'm a fan of loaning a player out to club for 2-3 years has long they are starters for the club look at Christensen and Courtois for example both players where loan to one club for long spells and came back and broke in the 1st 11 

[Georgy 439]

Another class performance by Bale. If we can make him stay fit I wouldn't be against him coming if Hazard leaves.

[DDA 9,927]

25 minutes ago, Georgy said:

Another class performance by Bale. If we can make him stay fit I wouldn't be against him coming if Hazard leaves.

Bale is a fantastic player. He was tearing the Prem up before he left, imagine what he would do now.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

1 hour ago, DDA said:

Bale is a fantastic player. He was tearing the Prem up before he left, imagine what he would do now.

Be injured for over half the freakin season ? 

Like seriously he's already struggling to stay fit in La Liga a less physically demanding league then the PL.

What do you think's gonna happen when he has to play midweek games and regularly get the sh*t kicked out of him ? 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

15 hours ago, Unionjack said:

I love a gamble but theres no way on earth I could risk money on either coming 2nd 3rd or 4th in the EPL seeing how tight it is up there. So while I do understand why we dont bring the youth on it doesn't mean I wouldn't like to specially in certain positions,times. And WE dont have any pressure being supporters but you can bet that Conte has to answer for everything he does to Roman.

We slag off both our WBs but everyone else in football love them. I'd take upgrades on them if at all possible (and others) but we aren't the ones in charge. And the FFP would go out the window along with all the recent work of keeping to it.

Theres just too much pressure on the club to take big risks. No most of our youth just aren't ready for us or a top 6 tean.

If that was the case no top team would ever produce young players into stars. 

Yeah its risk, but it pays off later. 

I agree you cant throw youth every weekend, but there are games that you do. 

Chelsea is worst example here. Liverpool, United, City, Arsenal they all give more chance to them (United under Mou not so much though). 

We keep saying they are not ready until they are too old. 

If Real could utilise Lucas Vazquez when they had strongest team in europe, I dont see why we couldnt use Musonda for example. 

Its BS to say he isnt ready. 

Kdb wasnt "ready" either I guess...

We always have a choice to play them. Bigger risk yes. But we go for safer option. 

Board doesnt have trust in Musonda and if you throw him in first 11, other 10 players who are seniors will be unable to cover up for ONE! youth player. Why? Because we have average players in first team, who too often play shit like against norwich.

Also this "pressure" was created by the club itself. I can imagine its the most demanding to be manager at chelsea and to be young player at chelsea. Thats why managers are afraid to field youth and youth is often underperforming in those rare chances. We just dont have safe surroundings and environment for youth. And thats on board because they run youth like factory. Nothing more. 

And the worst is because we pretend we are investing in youth, we dont spend that much anymore because we want to develop youth but that is one big BS. 

Our youth might be overhyped, to say Musonda is next Ronaldo or Odoi next Hazard etc...but they won everything on youth levels ahead of others. So they are definately ready for those first team chances. 

[Unionjack 7,531]

3 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

If Real could utilise Lucas Vazquez when they had strongest team in europe, I dont see why we couldnt use Musonda for example.

It was BECAUSE they were the strongest team in Europe that they could bring him in. Like you say IF the other 9 could step up to make up for him then yeah we could/should do it.

But no we dont utilize the youth enough. We shoulda used 4 on Saturday and we wouldn't have done any worse I dont think.

But I also think like we should trust youth that we also trust the starting 11. The stick I see us giving Alonso,Moses goes too far I think. I know its because we always wamt more,better but those 2 are loved outside of here. Specially Alonso. Yeah of course I would upgrade if we could but fuck I'd upgrade alot of them. if possible.

I dunno if we will ever get the youth ballance sorted but Ive always believe that tallent should work no matter where it is. Meaning IF our academy lads are as good as we/they are supposed to be they should excel wherever they go. We just dont see that tho.

Is it because that in the academy they play with the same lads week in week out. They are perfectly gelled together. They know each other so well having grown up together. But take them from that comfort zone and put them with men they dont know then its different. Theres only the odd 1 or 2 really make it  but thats the same at any club isn't it. So no bad reflection on our academy.

[El P. 1,354]

9 hours ago, DDA said:

Bale is a fantastic player. He was tearing the Prem up before he left, imagine what he would do now.

Tearing his muscles?

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I was thinking a bit - why would Real Madrid go for Eden Hazard and not Paulo Dybala? Eden is for sure more expensive, three years older, he is established player who played biggest part in winning two Premier Leagues. He is for sure more settled in London than Paulo is at Turin. And they always had great relationship with Juve (Zidane, for example).

Dybala to Real would be just like Coutinho to Barcelona, for cca 150 mils Real for sure could get him.

[Pizy 18,877]

Sanchez to City rumors heating up. It would actually be funny if it weren't so sad that the team miles in front of everyone is after a player like him while we're linked with Andy bloody Carroll. 😂

I mean really, does Sanchez improve City in any quantifiable way? They're already unstoppable going forward and have loads of depth in attack. As with Liverpool replacing Coutinho, I'm not even bothered by the fact that Liverpool/City are adding another quality attacking option, it's the fact that we don't even try to aim that high.

We're now a club that seems okay with buying mediocre players. City, PSG, Barca, Real Madrid, and United shop at the upscale designer stores whilst we buy from the thrift shop. The only way we splurge a big sum on a player is if we sell someone for an equal amount. That's just not going to be enough to compete with the club's I mentioned going forward. And that's not even mentioning clubs like Bayern or Juventus who don't even need to spend big money because they just scoop up top talents at the ends of their contracts for peanuts.

[drog.ba 239]

Look at our last 25 signings: Pato, Pedro, Amelia, Baba Rahman, Begovic, Kenedy, Falcao, Hector, Miazga, Nathan, Djiloboji, Pantic, Cuadrado, Kante, Luiz, Alonso, Batshuayi, Eduardo, Bakayoko, Zappacosta, Drinkwater, Rudiger, Morata, Caballero, Barkley.

[Superblue 6,372]

17 hours ago, Unionjack said:

But we need the scouts to look at the players like that.

But tell me just what our supporters would say if we started buying a load of £10m players? The interweb would burn. Everyone would be screaming for blood saying why arent we buying £100m players.

I'm a bit like that too but I also realise theres cheap talent available too. Its getting the riht ballance and guy for the job. Just look how peeps dont like Rossy. Classy player dirt cheap. A risk buying any player no matter if £10m or £100m.

The right balance is the most important thing and it's something the club hasn't done well at times but will be forced to do in my opinion. Particularly if they're working to a stricter budget nowadays because otherwise they'll never buy compete at the top end for players.

I agree with you and the consensus that solely buying cheaper talent will over time make us weaker. It's far more satisfying getting good value from a signing, but we also still need some of the league's best players amongst our ranks too and unless we do get lucky with players like Courtois and Azpi developing into that bracket, we'll have to go and buy players at this level and be forced at times to pay the market rate for this level.

I'm not expecting the club to bring through all their young players and I understand it's hard to get a couple through let alone a conveyor belt (and that's not just Chelsea amongst the top teams). However, there are younger players at the club or who we've had in the past that should be given the opportunity to become proper squad members. When I say proper squad members I don't mean the fifth or sixth choice defender or midfielder but perhaps the fourth choice. It gives them the opportunity to play cup games, against weaker teams when the squad is being rotated and also the possible chance to play in big games when there are suspensions and injuries. This is exactly how Christensen was able to take his chance. If we had brought another defender in the summer, he would never have had those chances this season and probably been on his way out this month.

Loftus-Cheek is another example. He's been kept at the club the last two seasons and barely played. He could have gone out on loan for the past two seasons and returned this summer as a midfield option which would have meant we wouldn't have needed to buy one of Drinkwater or Bakayoko. Coming in after a couple of years on loan as a more polished, experienced player is no different to a new signing, freshening the team up and keeping players on their toes.

Courtois and Christensen aren't the norm. Courtois is, and Christensen can become world class players. I'm not expecting lots of players like this, but surely given the success of our academies we can find a couple of new squad players from it every couple of seasons, that with time and confidence can perhaps grow into bigger roles (take Lingard currently at United). If we adopted a policy like this then a couple of squad player replacements to freshen up the squad could come from within each summer, allowing us to focus on a couple of starting XI improvements rather than spreading our budget out over 4 - 5 good but not great players. And when good deals come up, such as the one with Barkley because his contract is winding down, we take advantage of these too if they represent good value.

[LAM09 7,043]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

Sanchez to City rumors heating up. It would actually be funny if it weren't so sad that the team miles in front of everyone is after a player like him while we're linked with Andy bloody Carroll. 😂

I mean really, does Sanchez improve City in any quantifiable way? They're already unstoppable going forward and have loads of depth in attack. As with Liverpool replacing Coutinho, I'm not even bothered by the fact that Liverpool/City are adding another quality attacking option, it's the fact that we don't even try to aim that high.

We're now a club that seems okay with buying mediocre players. City, PSG, Barca, Real Madrid, and United shop at the upscale designer stores whilst we buy from the thrift shop. The only way we splurge a big sum on a player is if we sell someone for an equal amount. That's just not going to be enough to compete with the club's I mentioned going forward. And that's not even mentioning clubs like Bayern or Juventus who don't even need to spend big money because they just scoop up top talents at the ends of their contracts for peanuts.

As many have said on here; spending big doesn't automatically mean you're getting value regardless of the current market. We need to follow the last two clubs you mentioned (Barkley deal being a good move), as we are no longer willing to spend big unless money's coming to us beforehand.