Juan Mata

[kellzfresh 7,229]

We can't sell mata. One injury and he can find himself a constant starter. The season is still long and as debruyne is leaving then mata must stay for our teams sake.

[Pizy 18,543]

  On 03/01/2014 at 13:07, The only place to be said:

Isn't that the point though? If you want to sell something, saying you don't want to sell it can increase it's price can't it?

Yes, I suppose so. hahaha

[The only place to be 11,313]

  On 03/01/2014 at 13:12, The Mak said:

Well that's not what my post was about, so don't be ignorant and just quote 4 words of it without even caring to read the rest of it or the article for that matter.

An Irishman enjoy a pint of Guinness? You're not that ignorant are you Tom?

I did read it, and I read the original source when someone first posted it. I just thought it useful to put some of my own views from actually watching the match into it. I have severe reservations about whether or not Mata has the physical capabilities to play in this system.

Oh and enjoy your pint Mick.

[The Mak 4,459]

  On 03/01/2014 at 13:16, The only place to be said:

Oh and enjoy your pint Mick.

Wrong Tom!

[Korea 734]

  On 03/01/2014 at 13:13, kellzfresh said:

We can't sell mata. One injury and he can find himself a constant starter. The season is still long and as debruyne is leaving then mata must stay for our teams sake.

Willian would get the role over Mata.....

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 03/01/2014 at 13:21, Korea said:

Willian would get the role over Mata.....

willian is already in the 3 right now!!! what is oscar gets injured? do u want to sell mata too when we are already selling kdb...

[Korea 734]

Funny thing I keep reading is people saying he is too good for the bench, yet their are a ton of examples of better players coming off the bench in Europe....

Gotze, Martinez, Robben, Thiago

Rooney came off the bench last season

Dzeko.

Isco, bale

Sanchez/pedro, cesc.

I can understand the whole idea of raising funds for another player to be bought, but to be too good for the bench, I dont..

Overall, I didnt take anything negatively from his behavior the other day. However, with the current manager, Mata will continue being marginalized moving forward (however, most players do in good teams)...

[Korea 734]

  On 03/01/2014 at 13:27, didierforever said:

willian is already in the 3 right now!!! what is oscar gets injured? do u want to sell mata too when we are already selling kdb...

Willian would play CAM, with eden and Schurrle on the wings...

If anything, Ive seen lampard play more in the Cam role this season than Mata...

[sutro 1,026]

  On 03/01/2014 at 13:27, didierforever said:

willian is already in the 3 right now!!! what is oscar gets injured? do u want to sell mata too when we are already selling kdb...

According to a belgian newspaper its mata or kdb, only 1can leave, thats why wolfsburg is in a hurry to get the kdb deal done

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 03/01/2014 at 13:31, Korea said:

Willian would play CAM, with eden and Schurrle on the wings...

If anything, Ive seen lampard play more in the Cam role this season than Mata...

we have 3 DMs in lamps, mikel and rambo. 2 of them are inconsistent (mikel, lamps). one of them SHOULD not be playing more than 1 match in a week,

if we sell mata right now (with kdb surely leaving), we will be having 4 AMs down from 6 and will be losing our most potent weapon - strength in depth. how many PL matches have our AMs influenced after coming from the bench. also after getting an injury to even one of those 4 AMs we will be having 3 AMs with no one to influence the game off the bench. so please think what is best for the team. how is selling mata going to better chelsea. can u give me a couple of pointers??

[Stingray 9,441]

  On 03/01/2014 at 13:11, BluesMaster said:

  On 03/01/2014 at 12:32, Alex said:

Fed up of this cyclical argument. If Mata isn't angry with Mourinho, who is he berating? Himself? Not likely.

How can you tell though? Do you know him to be able to tell that?

All we are talking about here is just 'speculation' if you like and there is no concrete evidence to suggest he did this or did that. So, I don't get why some have assessed the situation, treated it as a fact and then passed judgment on him like he has murdered someone.

This thread .... Awesome !

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 03/01/2014 at 13:32, sutro said:

According to a belgian newspaper its mata or kdb, only 1can leave, thats why wolfsburg is in a hurry to get the kdb deal done

then tell me how selling mata but keeping kdb makes us a better team/squad!!!

[sutro 1,026]

  On 03/01/2014 at 13:44, didierforever said:

then tell me how selling mata but keeping kdb makes us a better team/squad!!!

I prefer mata so i dunno

[Melanicus 5,208]

[xPetrCechx 13,565]

The future of Juan Mata was again brought up, as it was after the game against Southampton on Wednesday, with the manager's opinion unchanged.

'I keep saying I want him to stay. There have been no offers. Today he trained in a fantastic way so I think he focused more on [when I said] "I don't want him to leave" and not on when I said "the door is always open".

'He's moved on. He was happy with the victory at Southampton so today he trained in a fantastic way. There are no problems.'

[Korea 734]

  On 03/01/2014 at 13:38, didierforever said:

we have 3 DMs in lamps, mikel and rambo. 2 of them are inconsistent (mikel, lamps). one of them SHOULD not be playing more than 1 match in a week,

if we sell mata right now (with kdb surely leaving), we will be having 4 AMs down from 6 and will be losing our most potent weapon - strength in depth. how many PL matches have our AMs influenced after coming from the bench. also after getting an injury to even one of those 4 AMs we will be having 3 AMs with no one to influence the game off the bench. so please think what is best for the team. how is selling mata going to better chelsea. can u give me a couple of pointers??

Both Eto and Torres can play on the wings 4-3-3. In addition, Rambo can play on the wings.....Juan Mata under Jose in the wings is not Juan Mata under Rafa behind Torres..

Doesnt matter what you think about who should be playing more than 1 match a week cause Jose still plays Lampard/Rambo every match possible...

Raising funds in a potentially Mata sale would be beneficial for Jose so the press doesnt bother him every week (similar to KDB) and their less stress within the club..In addition, he can reinvest the funds and purchase a CM, LB and a CB.

If Oscar gets injured, Willian is the next one in line, not Mata. Right now, AM is the position that is the least of our worries, if Mourinho is here long term, why would we keep Mata when we can sell him for high profits (potentially) and obtain players that would flourish under Mourinho...makes no sense, when we have other positions that need to be addressed.

[Henrique 9,133]

  On 03/01/2014 at 08:24, remains of the day said:

@Barbara Of course you have every right to hold this viewpoint of Mata but the moment you dish your opinion out on a public forum then people have their own right to comment, scrutinize and challenge that opinion. Fyi the post of yours I read (and I read it very carefully) was the one where you called Mata’s reaction a “spectacle, pathetic display”. Those were you’re exact words. You then argued that Mata’s reaction meant that he was questioning the “superior choice” of Mourinho. I think that's a knee-jerk claim, but whatever. Then you called him “a spoiled child” and questioned how many professional players would be seen doing that (btw quite a few have done worse). So to answer your question, yes I did read your post and your comments in that post doesn't at all sound like the words of someone who understands or acknowledges that Mata's reaction was an isolated incident and one that was uncharacteristic of him.

I think what truly boggles my mind about all of this, is that what you're calling a "spectacle, pathetic display" was one minutia moment of frustration where Mata showed some visible signs of annoyance and gestured towards the direction of the pitch. That’s what has got you, Alex and others on here, up in hands and practically foaming at the proverbial mouth? You're going on about the “Juan Mata fanboys”, using mockery terms like 'Saint Mata' and making wild speculations about mata “questioning the authority of Mourinho”…. I mean, real talk, what the deuce is this? I’m I in some kind of alternate universe where Chelsea FC is now a totalitarian regime ruled by a superior master? Where Juan Mata is public enemy no.1 and anyone caught sympathizing with him gets flocked for questioning the authority of the master? Seriously.

Because some on here prefer Mata over Oscar and don’t agree with Mourinho for marginalizing him, is that what merits this ridiculing and labelling of them as ‘mata fanboys’? I think we should get one thing straight, we’re all Chelsea supporters here and each of us supports the club in whatever way we deem fit. I support this manager and while I might not agree with his handling of Mata, I accept it and understand his decision. If a fellow supporter doesn't like the way Mata is being treated, then that’s their prerogative, it doesn't make their interest in the club any less than yours which is basically what you and a few on here seem to be implying - that you and you guys alone, the "non-Juan mata fan boys" are the ones who truly hold the best interests of the club. The beauty about supporting a football club is that not all supporters will see eye to eye but yet we still support the club and defend its integrity in the best way we know how. You don’t like the way some on here overly sympathize with "poor, little, innocent Juan Mata" while painting Mourinho as a villain? Hey I get that and you're entitled to be critical of that attitude. But what you're doing is now turning Mata, himself into a villain because of your annoyance with these 'mata sympathizers' and that's not right at all.

In any case, labels like "mata fanboys" creates nothing but unnecessary divisions. Chelsea football club is not an authoritarian regime. Mata is not an enemy of the state and those who sympathize with him are not some kind of rebel group out to bring down the special one. They're supporters with opposing viewpoints. At least that's what they told me to say, bad joke!

The problem with your post is: Mourinho is giving Mata the chances, he started almost as many as Oscar, but he has been avarage at best. So if you still prefer Mata over Oscar at this point, you really look like a fan-boy.

As you said, this is a football forum, so dont get angry to find this kind of terms here. Being a fanboy is not that bad at all.

[Barbara 15,149]

this was originally on single post, but I'll split it in two because it's two completely different subjects (at least for me) that keep getting mixed together here.

  On 03/01/2014 at 08:24, remains of the day said:

Then you called him “a spoiled child” and questioned how many professional players would be seen doing that (btw quite a few have done worse). So to answer your question, yes I did read your post and your comments in that post doesn't at all sound like the words of someone who understands or acknowledges that Mata's reaction was an isolated incident and one that was uncharacteristic of him. I think what truly boggles my mind about all of this, is that what you're calling a "spectacle, pathetic display" was one minutia moment of frustration where Mata showed some visible signs of annoyance and gestured towards the direction of the pitch.

cc: @Strike

I think that was a pathetic, childish, bratty, unprofessional display. Did my not ideal knowledge of the language got me misunderstood? Or isn't display something like a moment or a reaction opposed to what words such as nature, character, profile - that in my head give an idea of permanent while display only gives the idea of an occurrence?

You guys think it's nothing worth mentioning because he's always had exemplar behavior. I agree on his past behavior, just because he's always been great, it doesn't give him a free pass to be called on his ridiculous actions when he was subbed. If you think his actions are worth of claps or just his reliever, after being frustrated, or whatever, good for you. I don't like such behavior in any professional, especially when it wasn't entitled at all. He didn't have a good match, he contributed with nothing except a 1x1 with Hazard my grandma would have made the same pass. Why on hell could he be mad at Mourinho as his gestures seem to clearly show (not only totally skipping his usual handshake, pat in the back, or whatever kind of greeting, but gesturing towards where Mourinho was). I could imagine a lot of ways of Mata showing frustration towards himself and his performance in the pitch, but that wasn't it. I could be wrong, the same way all of you could. You think he ignored Mourinho, and gestured towards him while saying a lot of things only people around heard based in whatever track of thought you could possibly justify it, shows frustration towards himself and not his boss, okay, I got it. If a guy reacts that strongly ABOUT A SUB I suppose he's frustrated at BEING SUBBED. My bad for interpreting what happened in such a non-expected, non-logical way.

As for the fanboy term, well some people just are, what do you want me to call them? I'm not saying everyone who loves or likes him are fanboys, otherwise I'd be one... I really like Mata and my twitter account is a testament to how I worshiped the guy last season (as I joined the forum last June). There's only one player in this team I'm a fangirl of and that's not Mata (or Oscar) and I won't get offended if someone calls me that (I even had that as my member title here for a while and I'll change it back again) because that I am (and go see how many times I've criticized Eden even being clearly a fangirl of the kid, just because I love the kid beyond words, think he's the best thing ever since slice bread doesn't mean I won't disapprove his actions when they're bad in my eyes or when he's in bad form). So if people get offended by the label is because they're defensive about their own behavior, otherwise, that's wrong on being called a fanboy/girl? So we have to be serious all the time, rational and not appreciate a player on a personal level? If only it was the reality... I'm too happy it isn't. If it doesn't blind me about a player, it's all good in my book.

I was just clarifying I have one opinion about an isolated episode and another opinion about Mata as a professional football player all things considered. I won't overlook his bad behavior just because he has credit. If you and the rest of the world does, good for you guys. Stop calling me on that! Yes, forums are for discussion, but this discussion about what people FEEL and THINK about a player's reaction came too far. You come here, you post your opinion about the incident, I post mine and so does everyone else. Why people feel they have a right - just because this a forum - to call people on their feelings about an incident is beyond me. Discussing if he should leave or not, discussing if he fits the system or not, if Mourinho is right or wrong about benching him, it all makes sense because you give arguments people maybe didn't consider. Those are opinions, you add a lot of things to the discussion. Now you keep coming back on how we feel about an incident makes no sense! I feel Alex has been ganged up by all of you simply because that's how he feels about any football player with such behavior. This is how we feel, we didn't choose to feel like that. Speaking about me, this is my reaction towards any football player whatever his name is Mata, Hazard, Cristiano or Javier Zanetti!

Shall we now discuss why I love peaches but can't stand eggplant? Or shall we discuss how much toxins modern agriculture puts in our food everyday even when we decided to eat fresh food? Questioning why I disapprove bratty displays is the same as questioning why I dislike eating eggplants. It shouldn't be up to discussion.