Juan Mata

[ZOS 580]

The situations can't be compared. In Madrid there was huge issues and fighting in the dressing room and you have no idea how much politics there is there, even among players. And, tbf for Jose, neither of the was good enough to be in the Madrid starting XI.

Mata is a professional, there is nothing personal between him and Jose. He will either step-up and prove that he can be a vital part of Jose's system or he will leave, it's that simple.

I know it is not the same, I didn't claim it was ... but the fact that he went public with the issue didn't help .. I'm glad he talked about high line defense and the need for the number 10 role to press the midfield, that was exactly what I had in mind. But, again, he could have avoided saying "Mata needs to learn playing my way" , "Oscar is my number 10", "Mata had a better stat because Oscar was playing wide and was helping to defend" ... he was better off not saying any of those things, IMHO

PS: especially on the part where he defended Oscar's stat last season against that of Mata, I think Jose fell in to the pundit's trap ... it was rather an emotional statement, totally uncalled for

[bushman 2,043]

Wait till Mata perform again and all the pointless opinions and discussions become really pointless

If all in here is pointless to you, perhaps you should ask the mods to pack it in & close this forum ?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

The fight, discontentment was created by Jose because he benched Casillas.

Now, you want Mata to adapt to a different role or hit the road ?

The fight was way before Lopez was bought and Cassillas benched, in fact that is why Lopez was bought, because Jose had issues with Iker. The issues started with Ramos the year before.

Being beneficial to the team or "hitting the road" is kind of how all player-club relations work.

I know it is not the same, I didn't claim it was ... but the fact that he went public with the issue didn't help .. I'm glad he talked about high line defense and the need for the number 10 role to press the midfield, that was exactly what I had in mind. But, again, he could have avoided saying "Mata needs to learn playing my way" , "Oscar is my number 10", "Mata had a better stat because Oscar was playing wide and was helping to defend" ... he was better off not saying any of those things, IMHO

Yeah, of course you can make a case of why he should not have said that, but Jose is the ultimate motivator, half his "game" is the psychological war. It has worked miracles in the past so I trust his judgement here. Sometimes the war has it's causalities, but it is for the good of the team in the long run.

[bushman 2,043]

The fight was way before Lopez was bought and Cassillas benched, in fact that is why Lopez was bought, because Jose had issues with Iker. The issues started with Ramos the year before.

Being beneficial to the team or "hitting the road" is kind of how all player-club relations work.

Yeah, of course you can make a case of why he should not have said that, but Jose is the ultimate motivator, half his "game" is the psychological war. It has worked miracles in the past so I trust his judgement here. Sometimes the war has it's causalities, but it is for the good of the team in the long run.

Ok then. Mata is not beneficial to the team if I read it well,

Today, I read:

New Chelsea style doesn´t suit Torres. Is he going to be benched too ?

[ZOS 580]

on the bright side of things, we now once more have a manager with balls and he understands the need for change ... I'm enjoying Jose talking about high blocking (as he calls it ), repossessing the ball quickly in the opposition half, the need for keeping the ball on the ground for we don't have DD any more and that we will never try to get back to the old ways of doing things ... its really great listening all these from Jose cause some of us were expecting the opposite

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Ok then. Mata is not beneficial to the team if I read it well,

Today, I read:

New Chelsea style doesn´t suit Torres. Is he going to be benched too ?

But is there someone in Torres' position playing much better than him?

Torres, on any account, has been just as "benched" as Mata and has gotten almost the same amount of minutes. It comes down to who is playing best in the current system and, atm, Mata is not. You can't keep starting a player for what he has done in the past.

[edenhazard17 281]

If all in here is pointless to you, perhaps you should ask the mods to pack it in & close this forum ?

I did

Close this thread. I'm getting sick of this shit.

I mean what we're arguing and discussing right now will be pointless, if Mata perform again. As simple as that. We all know it is just a matter of time.

[didierforever 7,349]

The fight, discontentment was created by Jose because he benched Casillas.

Now, you want Mata to adapt to a different role or hit the road ?

he benched casillas because casillas was starting to suck. even carlo has taken the same decision and any1 who has watched RM continously would say that it was the right decision. the benching had nothing to do with the fight/discontenment. they were fighting way before casillas was benched.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Mata axe baffles ex-Blues boss Grant

Former Chelsea manager Avram Grant has expressed his confusion at Juan Mata's exile under Jose Mourinho but said he expected the forward to remain at Stamford Bridge.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/240697.html

[bushman 2,043]

But is there someone in Torres' position playing much better than him?

Torres, on any account, has been just as "benched" as Mata and has gotten almost the same amount of minutes. It comes down to who is playing best in the current system and, atm, Mata is not. You can't keep starting a player for what he has done in the past.

May I ask who exactly is better than Torres, currently ?

If I remember correctly, Chelsea´s strikers scored ONE GOAL so far.

Certainly, I do not want to start a player based on his past. All I am asking, if Jose didn´t want to use Mata, why not sell him then ?

Luiz benched, KDB not playing, Mata´s benched, the strikers are useless...but Jose has got a new project ?

[bushman 2,043]

I did

I mean what we're arguing and discussing right now will be pointless, if Mata perform again. As simple as that. We all know it is just a matter of time.

Then, try other sites. Might be better for you ?

[didierforever 7,349]

But is there someone in Torres' position playing much better than him?

Torres, on any account, has been just as "benched" as Mata and has gotten almost the same amount of minutes. It comes down to who is playing best in the current system and, atm, Mata is not. You can't keep starting a player for what he has done in the past.

seriously??? PAST?? so mata won his last POTY award and was our most influential player 10 years ago, right??

he has had 2 starts in the season out of which the 1st one was after he had just 45 minutes in the whole pre-season. he was not even physically fit, forget about being match-fit (i dont think he is match-fit even now).

mata is benched for very valid reasons, but to give the argument u have given here is like saying mata is a worthless and has been on a declining trajectory for sometime now.

[Special Juan 28,141]

Whilst Mata has won POTY two years on the bounce has anyone thought about what Jose actually is looking for?

Right now Oscar is nigh on the perfect player playing the perfect role. He's scoring, creating and a constant menace to defences, not just this but his fitness levels are through the roof and his ability to actually track back and help out is sublime, that for me is exactly why he is starting ahead of Juan right now.

And please don't say to me "So you hate Mata" No, no I don't, he a tremendous talent so in that should we ignore the quality of performances by Oscar already this season? Not a chance, he's been nothing short of immense.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

May I ask who exactly is better than Torres, currently ?

If I remember correctly, Chelsea´s strikers scored ONE GOAL so far.

Certainly, I do not want to start a player based on his past. All I am asking, if Jose didn´t want to use Mata, why not sell him then ?

Luiz benched, KDB not playing, Mata´s benched, the strikers are useless...but Jose has got a new project ?

No one is much better than Torres, atm, but it seems Jose believes Eto'o ca become better if he is given a run of run of games.

We didn't sell mata because Jose thinks he can adapt to a new role on the wing and be vital for the team. Jose wants to play Oscar and Mata together if Mata can prove that is possible. Jose has explained what he wants publically and in more detail than we would have imagined.

seriously??? PAST?? so mata won his last POTY award and was our most influential player 10 years ago, right??

he has had 2 starts in the season out of which the 1st one was after he had just 45 minutes in the whole pre-season. he was not even physically fit, forget about being match-fit (i dont think he is match-fit even now).

mata is benched for very valid reasons, but to give the argument u have given here is like saying mata is a worthless and has been on a declining trajectory for sometime now.

No that's really NOT what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that you can't start Mata in our current system just because he was our best player in our old system last season. What Jose wants from that number ten role Oscar is doing way much better and thus is rightfully starting. When Mata shows he is capable of doing the job in our current system on the wing or in the center better than the other players he will start. Simple as.

[bushman 2,043]

Whilst Mata has won POTY two years on the bounce has anyone thought about what Jose actually is looking for?

Right now Oscar is nigh on the perfect player playing the perfect role. He's scoring, creating and a constant menace to defences, not just this but his fitness levels are through the roof and his ability to actually track back and help out is sublime, that for me is exactly why he is starting ahead of Juan right now.

And please don't say to me "So you hate Mata" No, no I don't, he a tremendous talent so in that should we ignore the quality of performances by Oscar already this season? Not a chance, he's been nothing short of immense.

I do not believe anyone here can say anything against Oscar. I too am happy to see him performing well. Of course, he is ahead of Mata now. Despite of it, should Jose just discard him like nobody ? Was he given a proper chance to shine again ? I do not think so.

If you could figure out Jose´s new project, please let me know about it.