Juan Mata

[Term-X 7,891]

We're sending United a trojan horse, Gary Neville has it spot on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5jvAGrcywY

[Pizy 18,486]

United are going to rebuild and spend with or without our help. If it's not Mata then they will spend the 40m on Reus or Draxler or any other one of the countless highly-rated AMs in the world right now. So why can't we be the one getting the 40m?

I get the sentimental issues, no one loves Juan more than I do. I even get the reasoning behind not wanting to send him to united. Like I said yesterday, it's risky. But this is our best chance to get 40m for him because his price will only drop after the WC. And strengthening utd now means that they are more likely to take points off Arsenal Liverpool and Man City.

The reality of football is that forty million pounds will move a lot of stuff.

You're right that it's a nice fee to receive for him, but it's the fact that we have no realistic chance to buy the world class striker we need this month with the money. I'd rather we just kept Juan until the summer and take £10m less than selling him for £40m now to a rival and sitting on the cash for six months.

Unless José is planning on bringing in a direct replacement in attacking midfield. Then I could put this behind me and deal with it. If we got a replacement who fits José's style and is absolutely top class.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Because we don't need £40m? I understand if you're a selling team who needs money. Selling him for £20m with a clause that he can't move to an EPL club for x amount of time is a better value move. Why don't we loan Crystal Palace Ba, Schrulle etc. to give them more chance of taking points off our rivals?

I kind of feel Mourinho's stance of 'if the player wants to go he can' sends out the wrong message, that he doesn't want the player.

No one in the world doesn't need 40m pounds!

United will strengthen and spend whether we sell them Mata or not. Be it now or in the summer. But if we sell them Mata now, first we get the money instead of Dortmund of Schalke or whatever, and I'd rather see united make a panic 40m buy for Mata than see them spend the money on several players and strengthen their squad considerably in the summer.

Spin it any way you like but 40m for your fifth choice AM is beyond great business.

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

United are going to rebuild and spend with or without our help. If it's not Mata then they will spend the 40m on Reus or Draxler or any other one of the countless highly-rated AMs in the world right now. So why can't we be the one getting the 40m?

I get the sentimental issues, no one loves Juan more than I do. I even get the reasoning behind not wanting to send him to united. Like I said yesterday, it's risky. But this is our best chance to get 40m for him because his price will only drop after the WC. And strengthening utd now means that they are more likely to take points off Arsenal Liverpool and Man City.

The reality of football is that forty million pounds will move a lot of stuff.

Let them spend their money somewhere else then. I don't really care how much his price will drop after the WC we simply don't sell our star player (also one of the fans favourites) to Manchester fucking United.

It's not about money it's about pride and dignity, they didn't sell us Rooney last summer then why the hell we sell Mata to them?

It would be painful, extremely agonizingly painful to watch Mata in United kit to play against us.

[Nero 1,847]

this is shit

[CHOULO19 24,332]

You're right that it's a nice fee to receive for him, but it's the fact that we have no realistic chance to buy the world class striker we need this month with the money. I'd rather we just kept Juan until the summer and take £10m less than selling him for £40m now to a rival and sitting on the cash for six months.

Unless José is planning on bringing in a direct replacement in attacking midfield. Then I could put this behind me and deal with it. If we got a replacement who fits José's style and is absolutely top class.

But that's the thing. United aren't our rivals this season. And we've already played them twice. They won't challenge for title, but they can take points off city Arsenal and liverpool.

[Jase 43,479]

There was never going to be a fuss about that. No one was expecting them to get anything from the game to begin with.

Yeah but look at the amount or level of bad coverage they got after the game and compare to it now. No longer is anyone talking about the fallout from the game and instead, everybody is talking about United rebuilding their squad and our stupidity in helping them by selling Mata to a Premier League rival.

[Tomo 21,733]

The signs were on the wall some of us just didn't pay enough attention or didn't want to believe it

first sign was the treatment of sahin, another technically excellent DLP, cut from the same cloth as mata, who "didn't fit the jose system" (This fiasco has made me hate the word "system" so much) and ostracized as a result coupled with the mata Rooney swap rumours in the summer.

Mata was never in Jose's plans to begin with.

Ibet you would be slating him for dropping Casillas, if Ancelotti didn't put a spanner in the works and do exactly the same thing.

[Jase 43,479]

If Mata plays no part on Sunday i dont think we will ever see Mata play for Chelsea again!

The question is, would he even still be at the club before Sunday comes around?

Do Chelsea players have a training session today? I bet they have. There would already be some 'breaking' news from the camp by now, made by tabloid.

Yes, the player are back in training today after being given 2 days off.

The general consensus is almost always proved wrong, the signing of Torres was a positive initially 'bar a few rumbles from a minority of fans'.

Although you have warned of such scenario before, it's quite hilarious to see you take a 360 degrees turn on your view about Mata when you were gloriously praising him in past years.

[Jase 43,479]

The Unbreakable Juan! United-bound Mata is never injured... unlike Van Persie, Ferdinand, Carrick and Co

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

But that's the thing. United aren't our rivals this season. And we've already played them twice. They won't challenge for title, but they can take points off city Arsenal and liverpool.

It's a bit short sighted isn't it CHOULO, there's always a next season.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Let them spend their money somewhere else then. I don't really care how much his price will drop after the WC we simply don't sell our star player (also one of the fans favourites) to Manchester fucking United.

It's not about money it's about pride and dignity, they didn't sell us Rooney last summer then why the hell we sell Mata to them?

It would be painful, extremely agonizingly painful to watch Mata in United kit to play against us.

But it is about money. 40m is A LOT and it would allow us to go into the market for a top player (probably a striker) or a 2-3 good players. Juan might have been the star last season but he is 5th choice AM this season and likely to be 6th next as long as Jose is around. To get the third highest transfer record in the history of the EPL for him is incredible business however you spin it.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

It's a bit short sighted isn't it CHOULO, there's always a next season.

A LOT can and will change before next season. United will spend and rebuild if they intend to whether we sell them Mata or not. If it isn't Mata it'll be Reus or Draxler or Robben or Di Maria..etc.

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

But it is about money. 40m is A LOT and it would allow us to go into the market for a top player (probably a striker) or a 2-3 good players. Juan might have been the star last season but he is 5th choice AM this season and likely to be 6th next as long as Jose is around. To get the third highest transfer record in the history of the EPL for him is incredible business however you spin it.

I couldn't agree more 40m for Mata who is a bench warmer at the moment is a great piece of business, no one is arguing with that, but just not from our EPL rivals, especially ManU!

Again, we are not short of money and I would rather take 20m from a foreign club than 40m from disgusting ManU.

[didierforever 7,349]

A LOT can and will change before next season. United will spend and rebuild if they intend to whether we sell them Mata or not. If it isn't Mata it'll be Reus or Draxler or Robben or Di Maria..etc.

reus is a BVB player, draxler is a schalke player, robben is a bayern player and di maria is an RM player.

we cant do anything about those guys. what we can and should do is not willingly and stupidly help the most successful team in the premier league history (one which has won 20 PL titles and about 12/13 in the last 20 years). like i said, that is plain stupid.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I couldn't agree more 40m for Mata who is a bench warmer at the moment is a great piece of business, no one is arguing with that, but just not from our EPL rivals, especially ManU!

Again, we are not short of money and I would rather take 20m from a foreign club than 40m from disgusting ManU.

We need the 40m if we want to spend 40m in the market in the summer. We need to significantly reduce our dept than what it was this season to comply with FFP. That is a fact. I'd probably sell to PSG if they were offering 40m now too. But they aren't, so we have to consider the huge offer from united because it would be business stupidity not to.

Personally, I'm fine with whatever the club decides on this because I can see the reasoning for both accepting and rejecting the bid.

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

A LOT can and will change before next season. United will spend and rebuild if they intend to whether we sell them Mata or not. If it isn't Mata it'll be Reus or Draxler or Robben or Di Maria..etc.

There won't be too many AM is better than Mata and available for United to buy, even there has, at least I don't need to live with the scenario of Mata wearing United's kit banging goals and delivering assists week in week out.

Looks like we just have to agree to disagree then mate.

[Special Juan 27,492]

We need the 40m if we want to spend 40m in the market in the summer. We need to significantly reduce our dept than what it was this season to comply with FFP. That is a fact. I'd probably sell to PSG if they were offering 40m now too. But they aren't, so we have to consider the huge offer from united because it would be business stupidity not to.

Personally, I'm fine with whatever the club decides on this because I can see the reasoning for both accepting and rejecting the bid.

That's the point people are missing....'Business' football is exactly that now. 40M is astronomical amounts and in January too. Of course not many want Mata to go but unfortunately PSG as far as we know aren't knocking and neither are Monaco.