🇪🇸 Juan Mata

[Jase 43,479]

Unless they offer £35m, impossible to refuse that atm considering his status here. And to be fair 4 were always gonna be enough, especially with every single our mid so fit, hardly anyone ever got injured, it is not like we got RVP type player in the team, world class but always out for some time

Like I said, if somebody wants him, we could well agree with them for the move to happen in the summer at the earliest. And how 4 AMs is considered enough when, more often than not, we play with 3 AMs? If 1 gets injured, we're suddenly stuck with 3 and have to flock them to death like how we did last season.

[mediator 2,026]

World cup year guys, that changes a lot of things

[Mouri_Matic 560]

Like I said, if somebody wants him, we could well agree with them for the move to happen in the summer at the earliest. And how 4 AMs is considered enough when, more often than not, we play with 3 AMs? If 1 gets injured, we're suddenly stuck with 3 and have to flock them to death like how we did last season.

Big if, like we see this season and unless they are gonna be out for like 1 month each every time they are injured, we don't need to worry.

[Jase 43,479]

Big if, like we see this season and unless they are gonna be out for like 1 month each every time they are injured, we don't need to worry.

Even then, we still can't disregard the rotation and suspension factors. Since we are playing 3 AMs, 5 should be the minimum and arguably the max. Not 6.

The only problem with us having that many AMs right now is that all of them are A or at least a B-grade quality players and want to be playing in every game. We don't really quite have the player that will be happy or content to play as back-up/squad player, perhaps somebody like Moses for instance.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

Even then, we still can't disregard the rotation and suspension factors. Since we are playing 3 AMs, 5 should be the minimum and arguably the max. Not 6.

The only problem with us having that many AMs right now is that all of them are A or at least a B-grade quality players and want to be playing in every game. We don't really quite have the player that will be happy or content to play as back-up/squad player, perhaps somebody like Moses for instance.

I would rate Kevin B+/A- for his performance last season and he is the worst out of 6. Moses will eventually want to leave as well if he is kept on the bench like Kevin, someone like Kalou would do.

[The only place to be 11,313]

If Mata is going to be sold, I doubt it's gonna be in January really especially if De Bruyne looks more likely to be one leaving then. If we are to sell him to PSG or whoever else, we'll probably just tell them to come back in the summer for him. Moreover between Mata and De Bruyne, the former looks and has been more suitable to what Mourinho wants/prefers right now as De Bruyne is hardly even getting any look in right now. Why sell Mata now and leave us with practically 4 AMs and De Bruyne is not favored by Mourinho?

I think you want 5 players for those 3 positions and I don't think KDB or Mata are ideal for what Jose wants. That's why I floated the idea of those two out and Reus in - you have Oscar and Willian in the middle (Hazard at a push) and then Willian, Hazard, Schurrle and Reus for the wings.

The other option is to let KDB leave in January, Mata in the summer then look to Piazon, Boga and Traore to fill that fifth spot.

All this is in order to finance deals for a striker, midfielder, centre-half and left-back which could easily exceed £100 million.

[Jase 43,479]

I think you want 5 players for those 3 positions and I don't think KDB or Mata are ideal for what Jose wants. That's why I floated the idea of those two out and Reus in - you have Oscar and Willian in the middle (Hazard at a push) and then Willian, Hazard, Schurrle and Reus for the wings.

The other option is to let KDB leave in January, Mata in the summer then look to Piazon, Boga and Traore to fill that fifth spot.

All this is in order to finance deals for a striker, midfielder, centre-half and left-back which could easily exceed £100 million.

Yes but the point you mentioned is another issue. Was only talking about the idea of selling Mata in January. It's unlikely with De Bruyne looking more likely to leave and Mata being preferred between the two by Mourinho at this point.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Yes but the point you mentioned is another issue. Was only talking about the idea of selling Mata in January. It's unlikely with De Bruyne looking more likely to leave and Mata being preferred between the two by Mourinho at this point.

I think you're probably right, but in terms of their respective values I'd expect Mata's to be higher now and De Bruyne's to be higher in the summer (after the world cup). It is nice to have two assets whose prices have risen since we purchased them though. It reflects well on the board.

[LondonPride1905 236]

I too believe, that , unless Juan wants, he won't leave in January. De Bruyne will probably leave and from there we will be left with Mata, Schurrle, Willian , Oscar and Hazard which would do anybody. I believe that we all know he will probably leave in the summer though.

[Korea 734]

World cup year guys, that changes a lot of things

In a business perspective, Mata value has been decreasing since the arrival of Jose, while as KDB value could only be going up after the World Cup.....

I would personally keep Moses as our 5 am.....He has all the physical traits necessary to excel for Jose and could be an adequate squad player to play the cup games and to give breathing room for the others....

[Yeboii 1,844]

It does seem that Mata has been getting more and more playing time so I don't see why he would leave just yet.

[Bacika 188]

Any news on Mata? I read Inter and Atletico want him on loan...but i don't trust anything comming frm Italy =)

[yuvala 2,167]

Any news on Mata? I read Inter and Atletico want him on loan...but i don't trust anything comming frm Italy =)

I really find it hard to believe that we \ Juan will take such offers

[The Mak 4,459]

For those who were talking about Mata's marketability affecting his price-tag: All i'll say is that, in the world of football, having 32 goals and 55 assists in two years is more important than marketability. When PSG have shit like Pastore soaking up resources they would kill to have Mata in their team because he is a proven player at the top-level, not because he has nice hair. For fuck sake.

[bushman 2,043]

Jose is not stupid to allow Mata to go ahead of CL games, I feel. Basically, Mata wants to stay anyway.

Does Mata really have chance to crack into the Spanish national team as a starter ? I do not believe it. Even if he were to play somewhere else.

[yuvala 2,167]

Jose is not stupid to allow Mata to go ahead of CL games, I feel. Basically, Mata wants to stay anyway.

Does Mata really have chance to crack into the Spanish national team as a starter ? I do not believe it. Even if he were to play somewhere else.

Yea their NT is very very talented, cant see him breaking into the starting 11.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

For those who were talking about Mata's marketability affecting his price-tag: All i'll say is that, in the world of football, having 32 goals and 55 assists in two years is more important than marketability. When PSG have shit like Pastore soaking up resources they would kill to have Mata in their team because he is a proven player at the top-level, not because he has nice hair. For fuck sake.

Your point is completely right, but facts show otherway.

Hazard will never go for 100m, even if he is/will be better player than Bale. And Hazard is quite marketable.

The difference is in the board and clubs. Spurs advertised Bale like he is god, and everyone believed it. Mata is being on bench and no one at club is upping his price, like saying he is still world class, worth 50m etc...if Mourinho or Buck would be advertising that Mata is still world class and such stuff, every club would believe and buy him. A great mind trick that works. Bale is a 60mio player at max, Mangala is 20m defender etc but their clubs talk about them with such praise that they suddenly become worth double in the eyes of buying clubs. Another thing is that we are no selling club, we dont know how to make most of the players sales. As long player is useful, we wont sale him under no condition. But as long he is not in favour (despite still being great player or prospect), we sell him for peanuts. Take a look at Sturridge. He was 23? when we sold him, he was english biggest talent among strikers and we sold him to rival. Price should be like 25m+, but we sold him for 12mio. Ridiculous, if you ask me.

Mata is class player and 10times better than Pastore, but he wont go for more than Pastore went. He is worth at least 40m, but our board and manager think he isnt and that is the problem.

[bushman 2,043]

Your point is completely right, but facts show otherway.

Hazard will never go for 100m, even if he is/will be better player than Bale. And Hazard is quite marketable.

The difference is in the board and clubs. Spurs advertised Bale like he is god, and everyone believed it. Mata is being on bench and no one at club is upping his price, like saying he is still world class, worth 50m etc...if Mourinho or Buck would be advertising that Mata is still world class and such stuff, every club would believe and buy him. A great mind trick that works. Bale is a 60mio player at max, Mangala is 20m defender etc but their clubs talk about them with such praise that they suddenly become worth double in the eyes of buying clubs. Another thing is that we are no selling club, we dont know how to make most of the players sales. As long player is useful, we wont sale him under no condition. But as long he is not in favour (despite still being great player or prospect), we sell him for peanuts. Take a look at Sturridge. He was 23? when we sold him, he was english biggest talent among strikers and we sold him to rival. Price should be like 25m+, but we sold him for 12mio. Ridiculous, if you ask me.

Mata is class player and 10times better than Pastore, but he wont go for more than Pastore went. He is worth at least 40m, but our board and manager think he isnt and that is the problem.

Mata does not need to be advertised, at all. Those clubs that are interested, know plenty about his ability to play football.

[Peace. 4,352]

Lmao, World Cup winner?, GTFO with that.. take off those blue tinted glasses. Mata was bigger than Zola for us at one point and still couldn't break into the spanish side!, he's 'barely' even an international.

Mata is a quality player but a quiet guy who strays from the limelight, hence no marketability in the sense that a Neymar or Bale has. A solid £30m he'd go for..

Exactly. People get easily on their high horse when one says Mata cannot command a high fee about 40 million pounds or so. It obviously looks absurd when you are standing from the Chelsea fan's point of view, since this is a player that has been voted as the best player of our club two seasons in a row ; that for us he is somehow the star of the team that won the Champions League, the FA Cup and and Europa League ; and that we conveniently attributes him trophies such as the World Cup and the European Championship where he — actually — hardly took part.

We gotta take into account that the persons that will eventually buy him are not Chelsea fans and by consequence have little care regarding the fact that he was voted twice as Chelsea player of the year by Chelsea fans ; those people most certainly give little value to that reward.

No, when those people will estimate a price for him, they will take into account more pragmatic facts such as : his situation at the club (whether he is the untouchable star or marginalized) ; the weight he has in medias ; his age/potential ; is he an international or not ; etc...

* First of all, he is clearly been marginalized by Mourinho, his statut within the team has changed — going from being the indispensable star to a non-indispensable squad player. Plus, it has been spread in every medias that Mata was not into José's plans. These facts will not by any means inflate his price ; a contrario, they are arguments to lower his potential price.

* Mata is a quiet guy and thus barely features into the medias, expected when it is to claim that he is unsettled in the team and is not into Mourinho's plans. High fees are generally spent on players that can sell shirts, and I am not sure that Mata have a big potential in this aspect.

* He is entering in his peak years and this is kinda the finish product ; thus they will not over-pay for what he might be, as it was the case for Hazard, Neymar, Lucas, etc...

* He is an ainternational, yes, although he cannot break into the spanish team and that is not this summer that he will do that. And he did not really participate to Spain recent sucess.

All these aforementioned points are not meant to higher his transfer fee, but at the contrary to reduce it.

Finally and above all, while we are bragging shit to death that "we are not a selling club" and that "we don't sell our best players", a lot of us did forget that Chelsea is a non-profit club and that "not a selling club" means that we litterally do not sell our players, but also that when we do not want them anymore we give them.

All the players we have decided to part ways with have had the possibility to go quite easely. Kalou, Malouda, Bosingwa, Alex, Anelka, Belletti, Joe Cole, Ballack, Deco, etc... went for free. Carvalho and Zirkhov went for peanuts. The club could have sold Essien for a lot of money when it was already clear that he was past it, yet we were happy enough to keep him and pay him while he could not play. We are not afraid of sending players on loan to potential title contenders ! When we did not wanted Sturridge anymore, we did not cause any trouble to let him go to a club that has robbed us 50 million fucking pounds. As far as I can remember, the only transfer involving big money was Robben...

In other words, If Mourinho and the club deem Mata as surplus to requirement and have their eyes upon some player ; then they most certainly will not wait that someone put £50m on the table.

The bottom line is that, there are a lot of arguments for clubs to avoid paying silly money to get him — and it is quite possible that José and Roman do not even bother to counter these arguments. That is why I can easily fashion Mata being sold as a bargain, kinda like what happened with Robben and Sneijder at Madrid, and Ibrahimovic at Barça ; or even being part of an exachange deal.

[Reddish-Blue 2,505]

Exactly. People get easily on their high horse when one says Mata cannot command a high fee about 40 million pounds or so. It obviously looks absurd when you are standing from the Chelsea fan's point of view, since this is a player that has been voted as the best player of our club two seasons in a row ; that for us he is somehow the star of the team that won the Champions League, the FA Cup and and Europa League ; and that we conveniently attributes him trophies such as the World Cup and the European Championship where he — actually — hardly took part.

We gotta take into account that the persons that will eventually buy him are not Chelsea fans and by consequence have little care regarding the fact that he was voted twice as Chelsea player of the year by Chelsea fans ; those people most certainly give little value to that reward.

No, when those people will estimate a price for him, they will take into account more pragmatic facts such as : his situation at the club (whether he is the untouchable star or marginalized) ; the weight he has in medias ; his age/potential ; is he an international or not ; etc...

* First of all, he is clearly been marginalized by Mourinho, his statut within the team has changed — going from being the indispensable star to a non-indispensable squad player. Plus, it has been spread in every medias that Mata was not into José's plans. These facts will not by any means inflate his price ; a contrario, they are arguments to lower his potential price.

* Mata is a quiet guy and thus barely features into the medias, expected when it is to claim that he is unsettled in the team and is not into Mourinho's plans. High fees are generally spent on players that can sell shirts, and I am not sure that Mata have a big potential in this aspect.

* He is entering in his peak years and this is kinda the finish product ; thus they will not over-pay for what he might be, as it was the case for Hazard, Neymar, Lucas, etc...

* He is an ainternational, yes, although he cannot break into the spanish team and that is not this summer that he will do that. And he did not really participate to Spain recent sucess.

All these aforementioned points are not meant to higher his transfer fee, but at the contrary to reduce it.

Finally and above all, while we are bragging shit to death that "we are not a selling club" and that "we don't sell our best players", a lot of us did forget that Chelsea is a non-profit club and that "not a selling club" means that we litterally do not sell our players, but also that when we do not want them anymore we give them.

All the players we have decided to part ways with have had the possibility to go quite easely. Kalou, Malouda, Bosingwa, Alex, Anelka, Belletti, Joe Cole, Ballack, Deco, etc... went for free. Carvalho and Zirkhov went for peanuts. The club could have sold Essien for a lot of money when it was already clear that he was past it, yet we were happy enough to keep him and pay him while he could not play. We are not afraid of sending players on loan to potential title contenders ! When we did not wanted Sturridge anymore, we did not cause any trouble to let him go to a club that has robbed us 50 million fucking pounds. As far as I can remember, the only transfer involving big money was Robben...

In other words, If Mourinho and the club deem Mata as surplus to requirement and have their eyes upon some player ; then they most certainly will not wait that someone put £50m on the table.

The bottom line is that, there are a lot of arguments for clubs to avoid paying silly money to get him — and it is quite possible that José and Roman do not even bother to counter these arguments. That is why I can easily fashion Mata being sold as a bargain, kinda like what happened with Robben and Sneijder at Madrid, and Ibrahimovic at Barça ; or even being part of an exachange deal.

Won't bother reading the essay. The last two lines of your post basically sum up the Mata situation....he's a great player but selling him wouldn't be the end of the world.