The Mak 4,459 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 He's not even half the player he use to be for us and even then he had his ups and downs.Seems like some people like to completely disregard Juan's current situation. Nevermind the fact that he started scoring every 2 games as soon as he went to United under Moyes. However, then started to play shit under a manager that plays shit football while playing him on the wing...hmmm, sounds familiar.I would take Juan back with open arms. Juan and Hazard were a joy to watch together and now Hazard has improved even more. Not to mention he would now have the luxury of Matic in behind him and Costa in front of him, something he's never had. He's certainly better than the sack of crap that is Fabregas - who can't pass, can't score, can't defend, can't deliver a set piece. Useless.Mata was generally involved in a lot of our team's goals either through scoring them himself or assisting...and I don't believe that bullshit argument about him needing 'the team built around him to be good'. We needed to go through Mata then because he was our best player, our goalscorer, our best chance of winning a match - this is natural for any team. Just compare the 2013 team to now and you'll see exactly what I mean. Besides, haven't we been doing the exact same thing with Hazard since he left? didierforever and LDN Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,506 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 He's probably praying hard right now that Mourinho does not end up at United...But IF that happens, can we go and get him back?Do we need him though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Seems like some people like to completely disregard Juan's current situation. Nevermind the fact that he started scoring every 2 games as soon as he went to United under Moyes. However, then started to play shit under a manager that plays shit football while playing him on the wing...hmmm, sounds familiar.I would take Juan back with open arms. Juan and Hazard were a joy to watch together and now Hazard has improved even more. Not to mention he would now have the luxury of Matic in behind him and Costa in front of him, something he's never had. He's certainly better than the sack of crap that is Fabregas - who can't pass, can't score, can't defend, can't deliver a set piece. Useless.Mata was generally involved in a lot of our team's goals either through scoring them himself or assisting...and I don't believe that bullshit argument about him needing 'the team built around him to be good'. We needed to go through Mata then because he was our best player, our goalscorer, our best chance of winning a match - this is natural for any team. Just compare the 2013 team to now and you'll see exactly what I mean. Besides, haven't we been doing the exact same thing with Hazard since he left?United fans have made exception for players because of LVG but Mata is amoung the biggest critic of the fans, and unlike with us he wasn't the shining light in a testing season so they didn't build up the same emotional connection with him, therfore look at things more objectively. Furthermore he got 6 in 15 in his first half season at OT, which is marginally Better than his goal record this season. Also last season he only bagged four assists and wasn't his end product the main argument for his case over Oscar when that debate drilled on in Jose first six months here?You mention Cesc, well his first half of last season is better than anything Juan has produced in his career, also you (rightly) critise Cesc but Mata also had bad spells and bad games (even in his first 18 months here) and when he did he was every bit as average and anonymous as Cesc is now, but one's a nice guy and the other is an ex Gooner.....Also the common perception is he lost form because Mourinho didnt trust him, which isn't true, he lost his form in 12/13 post January, I rememver because I went away from January to April and returned and watched all the games in February/March back in one go and I couldn't believe how much he went off the boil, the FA Cup semi vs City (the first game after i was back Iwas able to see in the moment) I was almost begging Rafa to sub him.He gave us a good service all in all I'm not taking that away but I do feel he is somewhat overrated by Chelsea fans, if we want to get back to where we should be, we should be aiming a lot higher than Mata, in my opinion.Id take KDB back (unfortunelty not realistic), but I wouldn't want Mata back. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Do we need him though? Considering the kind of attacking quality we have in the squad now, I wouldn't say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Considering the kind of attacking quality we have in the squad now, I wouldn't say no.You just know he would love to come back too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raven8472 32 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Would love to see the little genius back in blue. iseah100 and xPetrCechx 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 He is most probably still more useful in the no. 10 role than Fabregas. And since Fabregas is shit in the no. 6 role, too. It would make him completely obsolete. But if he came back we would have to not have improved much. Mata due to his lack of defensive and athletic ability is a specialist just like Fabregas (despite a better one) and hence no long term solution for the no. 10 spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino's Skin 972 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Juan Mata involved in player power scandal at Utd being reported...well, I never Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 He's probably praying hard right now that Mourinho does not end up at United...But IF that happens, can we go and get him back?No, thank you. We already have Cesc as the kind of player needing a perfect setup to shine. Mata shone the best with hazard as the supporting star, when based on talent it should now be otherwise. Problem is Mata isn't anywhere near as good in the supporting role... We don't need him, but I'd have a laugh about this whole situation if Jose ended up at United Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 You Juan is just shaking with anger at the possibility of Jose going to United. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Would you take him back if Jose gets the United job? TheIceMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Just now, Fernando said: Would you take him back if Jose gets the United job? Tough one. Rather just remember the good memories than the possibility of him returning here and flopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 1 minute ago, Kieran. said: Tough one. Rather just remember the good memories than the possibility of him returning here and flopping. But he still might be a good player to have for depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 1 minute ago, Fernando said: But he still might be a good player to have for depth. I think he's tired of going in and out of the starting XI, his last season at Chelsea and his entire career at United. I think he'll move somewhere he's guaranteed to start, maybe a return to Valencia is on the cards. Fernando and Rambo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,916 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Depends on our next manager. I'd have him back in a heartbeat if we appoint a more attacking manager or one who loves having loads of possession. If it's Simeone then I'd say no. Still love the little guy. Still good enough to play for a top PL club and too good to go back to Valencia. Just being used completely wrong at United. TheIceMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 - I still love Juan - Great to see the fans give him a standing ovation - Once again, he embraced every player after the match - http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/07/manchester-uniteds-juan-mata-embraces-every-chelsea-player-after-match-5667956/ Beepu, raven8472, Tautvix and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 12 hours ago, Fernando said: Would you take him back if Jose gets the United job? Mata and Cesc in the same team would be a disaster unless we have over 80% possession most weeks. robsblubot and Essien19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 19 minutes ago, Tomo said: Mata and Cesc in the same team would be a disaster unless we have over 80% possession most weeks. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Henrique said: ??? Both are dreadful defensively and off the ball, with them in the same lineup the opposition would swamp our midfield and get no end of joy. robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 24 minutes ago, Tomo said: Both are dreadful defensively and off the ball, with them in the same lineup the opposition would swamp our midfield and get no end of joy. I don't agree at all, you don't need 10 men being superb defensively, and Fabregas is quiet decent in that aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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