Amblève. 4,995 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 It's not about him being not good enough but he wouldn't fit in to this season's team. Mata and Cesc in the same midfield would be a disaster off the ball.You know, how about signing a real pivot player who doesn't need defensive protection like Cesc...? Just like every other team does it instead of having your #10 fill holes for one of your pivot players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 You know, how about signing a real pivot player who doesn't need defensive protection like Cesc...? Just like every other team does it instead of having your #10 fill holes for one of your pivot players.Then we do that, were would Mata go? on the right and have only 1/3 off our AM with any real pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Then we do that, were would Mata go? on the right and have only 1/3 off our AM with any real pace.I don't follow your logic here. How does having one not so fast player in Mata playing the #10 role generate any problems if all the other players around him are speedy and mobile? As far as I know, Costa, Hazard and Willian are all above average quick for their positions, Matic is impressively mobile and smart and the player next to him would and should IMO be the same. Azpinator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I was for the transfer of Mata as I trusted in Mourinho and thought it was for the better of the team, but watching how Oscar panned out you can't help but wonder what if Mourinho put a little more faith into Juan.But it really wasn't about 'faith' with Juan. He kept getting pretty regular minutes in the team despite not playing well at all. He literally had two good performances last season: Against Arsenal in the Capital One cup and Tottenham when he came on in the second half changed the match and got the assist for Terry's equalizer. But other than that he was mostly very dire. And not for the lack of trying. But it was clearly not working for him in the new system. But Jose kept showing faith in him and giving him minutes despite all that, even at the expense of other players who arguably deserved more faith and chances like KDB.And we weren't even the ones who forced him out. He asked to leave and got his wish. So he lost his faith in shining under Jose before Jose and the club lost faith in him. Tomo and CurlyHairLikeLuiz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I don't follow your logic here. How does having one not so fast player in Mata playing the #10 role generate any problems if all the other players around him are speedy and mobile? As far as I know, Costa, Hazard and Willian are all above average quick for their positions, Matic is impressively mobile and smart and the player next to him would and should IMO be the same.Because my initial point was Mata and Cesc in same team wouldn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I wouldn't have Mata and Oscar. None off them is good enough for Chelsea.Ozil is not perfect, but is a lot more balanced number 10 than both of them and there are many others.Mata is far from world class and has a lot of problems with his physical abilities and the minor defensive work he needs to do, and Oscar is horrible for a number 10 in attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 But it really wasn't about 'faith' with Juan. He kept getting pretty regular minutes in the team despite not playing well at all. He literally had two good performances last season: Against Arsenal in the Capital One cup and Tottenham when he came on in the second half changed the match and got the assist for Terry's equalizer. But other than that he was mostly very dire. And not for the lack of trying. But it was clearly not working for him in the new system. But Jose kept showing faith in him and giving him minutes despite all that, even at the expense of other players who arguably deserved more faith and chances like KDB.And we weren't even the ones who forced him out. He asked to leave and got his wish. So he lost his faith in shining under Jose before Jose and the club lost faith in him.I can't prove it but I reckon if Jose didn't have the fans meltdown to put into account Mata might have been the one in KDBs situation while the Belgium got the minutes Juan did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Because my initial point was Mata and Cesc in same team wouldn't work.And I responded that buying Cesc himself was unnecessary because having a traditional 10# in Mata wasn't the crux to our problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Then we do that, were would Mata go? on the right and have only 1/3 off our AM with any real pace.How about Hazard - Willian - Mata? Pace problem solved. stroey, Kieran. and Tomo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azpinator 2,325 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 But it really wasn't about 'faith' with Juan. He kept getting pretty regular minutes in the team despite not playing well at all. He literally had two good performances last season: Against Arsenal in the Capital One cup and Tottenham when he came on in the second half changed the match and got the assist for Terry's equalizer. But other than that he was mostly very dire.The 3-1 against SouthamptonThe 4-0 against Steaua Bucharest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 The 3-1 against SouthamptonThe 4-0 against Steaua BucharestRight, he was very good against Saints, but I can't remember his performance against Steaua. All I remember is Schurrle stealing the show and creating the first three goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 PainfulAt first I wondered why Mata was so poor in the wing. But after more than a year of other failed experiments in the right wing, I've changed my mind.Any player who doesn't have the physical balance of Hazard and Willian and strength to hold the ball under pressure is useless in our right wing.I just wish he was given a chance behind the striker, especially Eto'o who was better at linking up than torres. At least if Mata showed no desire to work hard from the middle then fair play, but he was thrown to the wings and inevitably out after being our best player for 2 straight seasons.I can't blame Mourinho though, he thought Oscar had more potential than he's shown so far, and put a lot of faith in him.Thought Oscar had the better potential? Well, I'm not so sure if that was the reason.The problem was, Mourinho never rated Mata to begin with. What he did was never going to be good enough. The minute he does something bad in a game, he'll be out of the next. It's worse when you consider some other players make so many mistakes and still get consistent game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 It's not about him being not good enough but he wouldn't fit in to this season's team. Mata and Cesc in the same midfield would be a disaster off the ball.Still love him, and he gave us some great moments and dare I say was one of the rays of hope in the last days of AVB, but on the pitch we have both moved on.read my post. i did not say that mata's transfer was wrong.but the utter disrespect and disdane for him was shocking.here was a guy who had single handedly kept us alive and running for 2 complete seasons with barely a drop in form.yet, he was suddenly reduced to a mid table la liga side player.and then there was the case of people having weird opinions. oscar was suddenly the next zidane.and that is what pissed me off. there was a guy named "korea" or something if i remember correctly, who had the gall of saying that mata was the reason of our 2011-13 mediocrity. it does not matter that we had a useless striker in torres. flanked by kalou and malouda and a pivot of mikel and ramires/lampard.. but suddenly it was all his fault. laura90, Amblève. and stroey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 With the level he was playing with at the time, plus the highly complete profile he has, yeah, I would definitely pick Oscar over Mata. Now this is the kind of lottery you're dealing with in football, nobody could have predicted the change of fortune for the two even a few months earlier, that's just the proof that when you are a gambler like Mourinho, you can still lose, even with all the technicity you have. Now excuse me, but where were you when Mata was struggling to get a single minute at Old Trafford and Oscar was bagging goals and delivering game after game at the start of the season ? Selective memory, as usual. so shifting a CAM into a RWB is your condition of judging how well a player was/is doing and that too in half a season. oscar has had 2 complete seasons as a CAM and we are still unsure of him.wait, not unsure, i would say most of us have given up on him. well, even jose made the mistake of putting all his eggs in oscar's basket and right now we are looking to simply be rid of oscar.there are lotteries like how players like oscar/thorgan will develop. its not a lottery to let go of someone like mata and replace him with salah."bagging goals". the guy has scored 7 times and assisted 8 times in 2683 minutes all the bloody season long @179minutes/goalorassist.mata on the other hand has 9 goals and 4 assists in 1965 minutes @ 151minutes. playing the majority of the season as RW compared to oscar as a CAM as for the team which has the most number of goals. when mata was not getting a minute at OT, we were laughing our asses off at LVG who was stupid enough to play the likes of adnan ahead of mata. as soon as mata has started getting proper gametime, united have been a different team. that does not really sound like selective memory to me. laura90, stroey and Amblève. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Good guy Mata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Was Mata playing today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 One of the few ex-Blues who I think still genuinely love Chelsea. mediator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 i heard he was hugging all the our players after the game!!!! CLASSSSSSSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Love the little man, always and forever a blue LAB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhead23 1,147 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 One of the classiest guy not just in football ... we need lot of such in today's world ... Mata ... Hats off to you! sLOVEnian Blue and iseah100 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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