OneMoSalah

I'm sorry this is by far the most laughable post I have ever seen on this forum. The arselicking Lampard gets despite playing very bad is ridiculous and the amount of abuse Mikel gets despite being our best player against Everton is laughable. Since AVB came in Lampard has been a passenger in at least half of the games upto now. He was particularly good in the CL final along with Mikel, he scored some vital goals but he didn't play well a lot of the time. Sure Mikel-Lampard isn't a decent partnership because whenever we lose the ball Lampard is halfway up the park, leaving Mikel exposed as we seen under Robbie in several games. The pivot was the weakest part of our team when he played at times, not always because of Lampard no that would be slightly unfair to say but teams were passing by Mikel because he was exposed a lot. The stats do not lie? We won the biggest club trophy in football playing Mikel-Lampard together.... stick your stats right up your arse. I couldn't give a fuck how many games we've lost with Mikel in the team, we've won a few PLs, however many FA cups, the Champions League and Europa League with him in our team since he came here.... he probably has over 200 Chelsea appearances, how many have we won with and without him in the team out of all of them? Probably won at least 70% so ram your stats where the sun doesn't shine.

Should be 'TalkChelsea fans' logic Chelsea win, draw or lose... still blame Mikel ................for nothing' not quite as catchy as your one but yeah...

I think its unfair to say Moses played a good game one week then a few games where he was very poor, before he went to the AFCON he was one of our best players at times. Not bad for a squad player eh? He may have only scored the one PL goal but his goals against Shakhtar at the time was a winning goal and his goals in the Europa League were vital to us winning games at times. I also want to dispute that Moses doesn't fit in Mourinho's system, Moses is a direct, pacey, strong, physical player, these attributes you could link to a Mourinho team (he had similar attributes in certain players at his other clubs; Ronaldo at Real, Eto'o at Inter, Drogba at Chelsea) Moses was loaned out after Abramovich went and wasted 30m on Willian who may be a good player, but nothing we don't already have in Mata, Hazard and Oscar. I really feel for Moses, Di Matteo was desperate to sign him and after an excellent pre-season under Jose hes been shipped out on loan when you could say that he outperformed the likes of Schurrle and Hazard. Sure pre-season means nothing but Jose even went on record and praised Moses during the tour and said he'd get games. Its a strange one still I'm hoping Moses can get a chance at some point, think he deserved slightly better after his pre-season performances. I'm certain Schurrle, Kevin, Hazard etc are all better than Moses, 110% certain but he was certainly a decent player who would have gotten minutes if we hadn't needlessly signed Willian.

I think it will be fair to say we can compare how the others do in comparison to Moses last year at the end of the season, he got 11 or 12 goals in all competitions without starting many games which is pretty impressive, having players who can play every now and then that can get that sort of numbers is pretty good. Even if we compare his stats from his Liverpool loan to the others, still a bit annoyed he went to Pool but Rodgers could make him better, even though I reckon Jose could have as well.

I got Oscar on the home top, think I'm gonna get Hazard and Mata on the away and third so I have the three amigos... or just Hazard on one as I have a Mata top from last season (away kit I think, black with yellow bits on it)

Think thats a bit unfair to say people are overhyping his performance. The first 3 Everton games of the season he has been the standout player for them (along with Barry yesterday). He will only get better under Martinez I feel.

What so do Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Torres, Ivanovic, Luiz, Terry and Cole not have to defend well or what? Is it just Mikel vs Everton, or Mikel vs Manchester United? Don't fucking think so.

He'd still be a key player, he allows Barca to put their full backs right up the park by playing as a third CB more or less and gives the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Messi etc a platform to go and play. His role in that team is undisputed, after Messi hes the first name on the team sheet. His passing is exceptional, he can pass through the lines, taking 3, 4 or even 5 players out of the game at once.

I don't think Vidal is a DM tbh, still think that Busquets is the best one out there. Martinez and De Rossi are really good though!

Your not honestly going to say those games were Mikels fault are you pahahaha? What a pathetic argument.

Oh aye forgot he got a red card in the Super Cup, possibly could give Marco a start but I'm not sure if Mourinho will. He will probably go for Lamps, which is a shame because I'd like to see Marco given a chance, as he and Mikel would give us a lot more balance in MF.

His chip was so unlucky, think his technique is very underrated.

Hope to maybe see Marco get some minutes off the bench. Lampard mustn't start imo, Basel like to press the ball so we need some composure in MF preferably with Mikel and Rami. Eto'o maybe still a bit rusty, don't mind if he starts though now hes had 90 minutes under his belt so hopefully he'll improve. Mata must be given more minutes, they play a highish line so Mata is good for this game as he can find the wingers and striker going beyond them.

Totally agree, Mourinho's Madrid team particularly struggled against smaller teams in La Liga when Real had the ball and had to break them down. Ozil in particular wasn't in great form and bar him they really lacked someone with vision to find that pass to unlock a defence (Modric was struggling and still adapting to La Liga). Mourinho constantly did counter attacking drills in training (at Madrid) down both flanks, from what I've read, as it is his game plan as well all know. Is it the same at Chelsea? Going on the evidence of the games against Bayern, United, Villa and Everton we are probably going to be much more counter attacking, which I don't mind again but still when we get the ball in central areas when we play teams who will sit off us, what do we do with it? Do we continue to struggle to come up with ideas there or what? We still need a playmaker of sorts, I don't think we'll look for another CM until Lamps retires to be honest. I'd like to see us try and build from the back some more but I don't know, I thought Jose said he was here to play the football 'the fans wanted', sure I don't mind counter attacking football but at times we lack ideas when we have the ball in central areas, we either let Ramires carry it forward or play it into the channels so Hazard/Schurrle can try and do something will the ball. Luiz should start every game at CB for us though, because he has the ability to step into midfield and find that pass over the top of the defenders or in between the full back and center back, at times we need that.

Who is then? Just curious mate not trying to cause an argument

I said it was his best game for Chelsea since the CL final, not that he is 'the greatest of all time' or the 'best DM in the world', the best DM in the world is clearly Sergio Busquets but lets not got there.

I'm guessing if your Spanish your not a Mourinho player lol

No Lampard please, Basel are a high energy team, we seen that last season in the Europa League. They like to press so I'd prefer to see Mikel next to Ramires again, composure in European ties is key.

Wtf is this? He's not Michael Owen with his 593953 injuries and early successful career, hes just not match fit, thats all. Think some people are overreacting, in fact no doubt about it, people are.

Course Clattenburg just decides to come out and say it about a season after, what a fucking twat he is.

Because Rami, Eto'o, Luiz and Cech covered themselves in glory didn't they? IF WE CONCEDE ITS MIKELS FAULT SORRY GUYS FORGOT

What is your problem with Mikel honestly lmfao? He was clearly out best player today.

Mikel was outstanding by the way. Best performance in a way I reckon, probably since the CL final in Munich. Unsung hero.

Wasn't bad as the whole of twitter are making out, his link up play was good, he made good runs, unlucky with his shooting but at least he was looking to shoot unlike Torres. When hes 110% fit he will be better. I'd give him an 8/10, he did everything but score.

Took the risk going to 3 at the back but it didn't work. The poor first half performance gave us a mountain to climb, Everton always looked like they wanted it more before and scoring. Sure the lads tried but we were poor.