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I was joking, but seriously name players playing for top European teams with worse technique on the ball than Iva and Ramires.

You're rating him on ONE season (and he's 30!) where his entire team over-performed and more importantly on things he has not shown in in 23 appearances here. I rate him the same as Jose does: A very good experienced back up to Azpi who brings something different when needed.

Dad couldn't care less about football....or any other sports for that matter. Watches the WC final though Mom 'supports' Chelsea because when we don't win I turn into some sort of combination of grumpy cat and Satan for a couple of days and turn everyone's lives into a depressing hell

I did, and as I said he was one of the best in the world. Not the best, but certainly in the top LBs in the world. Now let me ask you, have you not been watching Luis this season?

Kolarov is one of the best technical fullbacks I've seen and for me the best crosser. Maybe not as good defensively as Luis but certainly offers a lot more in attack. Lol I honestly wrote it down with Alba and Marcelo but then erased it because he's been playing mostly in midfield.

You're talking about the scum of a club that made printed shirts in support of a player's racism, what do you expect?!

Maybe last season, but this season Luis has made defensive mistakes on a regular basis and has proven to physically not to be the best in the world, imo.

Realistically Courtois and Costa only. Godin, same as Luis is realistically an excellent player but just not in the same league as the best in the world. No one mentioned him as so two seasons ago and very few says so now. It took a season where the whole team overachieved like last season for them to get overhyped. In what is Luis exactly better than any of them? All of them much better than Luis offensively and about on the same level defensively.

For me the best in the world are probably Alba and Marcelo. But I can name many LBs that are better than Luis like Rodriguez, Kolarov, Coentrao...etc. Like I said, Luis is an excellent LB, but just not in the same league as the best in the world and it seems that only a few of our fans see him in that league.

^^ One of the good consequences of Jose 'campaign' rants and his appearance on Goals. The FA really had no choice or they would have been proven to be hypocrites.

So that ONE quote is supposed to prove it? I can post a quote by Jose saying that we signed him because we wanted an experienced squad player and say "would the best LB in the world be signed to be a squad player?". And since when is top 10 in the world in a position an insult?! Seriously, though, did anyone seriously think he was the best in the world last season? I certainly didn't hear anyone saying that until we closed in on signing him and people started saying it to try to justify the high fee. Certainly no one was mentioning him with the best in the world 2 seasons ago. Would any non-Chelsea fan seriously put him in the top 5? 10? On any account, Atletico's success was/is down to the system and not superstars. No one in that team that won La Liga would be considered in the best 2-3 in the world in their position except Costa. Miranda was hyped a bit last season but the general opinion about him is back to normal now. I do rate Luis highly. I think he's an excellent experienced player with great technique, but the best in the world? Not even close.

Yes, but you forget that Jose can see the future...

Ivanovic in a Pep team alone would be hilarious! His technique on the ball is terrible even next to Ramires, imagine how out of place he would looks next to the Bayern players

JT on the team talk after the CL exit that Jose mentioned: “Sometimes they (meetings) are good, sometimes they don't work. The importance of it was to speak after the game, get it over with, everyone say their thoughts and feelings, which they did, and then it's time to move on." “There is no time to dwell on things. It was an open discussion, we went out and trained and that was the end of it."“We obviously have to come back stronger and more experienced (in the Champions League) next year.”http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/john-terry-lifts-lid-chelsea-8901078

He has to get PoTY. Absolutely ridiculous if he doesn't.

I'm actually happy (now that we won) in sense about that mistake because it showed us all how confident he is to not let that affect him.

To be fair, he actually had a decent game after 2-3 mistakes early in the first half. Thought he had a good second half.

1) I do not realize that, and I don't think that that can be 'realized' in the first place seeing as it is an opinion and not a fact. I don't believe there can be facts in that particular analysis because the variables are too many to account for. I think we've recently had several issues in offence, one of them might be the lack of a natural RB, but the main, imo, is the loss of form and confidence in some key players, as well as injuries and suspensions. As I replied to manpe above, how often he has been playing is irrelevant to my post since I was addressing the exaggerations made about his particular performance yesterday. 2) No he isn't. He may have been considered in the top 10 or something like that last season, but no non-Chelsea fan would even mention him in the list of best fullbacks in the world now. Even most Chelsea fans would not in my experience. It seems that idea only exists in the minds of some of the posters on here. The idea is exactly this: to criticize this notion that is so off the charts from the general consensus, it's like when Liverpool fans call Emre Can as one of the best in the world... 3) That is about as incredible an exaggeration as the "amazing performance" by the "best fullback in the world". Crap is Ivanovic's first half performance yesterday. Azpi has not been "crap". I think the biggest advantage that Luis brings is his technical ability on the ball which allows him to link up with the midfield and allows the team another outlet to keep the ball better. But I do not think he is a "great threat" in the final third. Yes, he overlaps more often than Azpi and tries to get involved more, but he rarely actually creates real danger. I mean Azpi has 3 or 4 assists in his 33 appearances Luis has Zero in 23. Actually if you go back, most of the dangerous crosses that Luis has created actually come from very deep (which is an important ability, don't get me wrong). I honestly think that the supposed change he brings to Hazard's game is mostly imagined. 4) Again complete exaggerations and so out of sync with the general football opinions and probably reality. Unlike Luis, if you ask unbiased football fans, most would tell you that Azpi is the best fullback in the league, at least defensively, and even one of the best in the world. I think Azpi has been our most consistent defender and least prone to mistakes. Even JT has had more off days than Cesar. It is true, he's made a few minor mistakes here and there, but that's only normal. I can point you to 4-5 obvious mistakes in Luis' performance yesterday and that is literally true in almost every single match he's started for us. And you can point to lack of games, but the reality is that he's played 23 matches for us, started 20 of them, and even when he started 5 matches in a row when Azpi was suspended, he was still making positional mistakes and getting beaten too easily in the fifth game. Good luck in finding and posting Azpi mistakes in every game is all I will tell you. In raelity, there is no conspiracy to highlight Luis' mistakes and hide Cesar's, why would there be? On the contrary, people on here are going out of their way to exaggerate and hype Luis's performances because they are desperate to see the expensive new signing/toy play and (probably rightly) sick of Ivanovic.

That's all well, but it does not really change what I said/meant: He made several positioning mistakes and got beaten too easily a couple of times. Hence the talk about an 'incredible performance' and 'world's best full back' are ridiculous exaggerations. Being the better fullback yesterday does not really say much as Iva probably had, imo, one of his worst performances yesterday in the first half. To begin with, Azpi didn't deserve to get dropped in the first place. But he was for tactical reasons. I was one of the first people to call for Azpi-Luis fullbacks, in fact I was one of the few who wanted Azpi-Bertrand from the start of last season. Obviously Jose has other ideas and will not go for that on a regular basis. Exaggerating and painting Luis's performances as world class when he is yet have anything close to that in a Chelsea shirt, won't change that. It helps with the 'cycle of moaning', but it does not change reality, unfortunately.

Wow. People are really overcompensating and exaggerating because they want their previous opinions about how he should start to be proven right too much. I think he was very good on the ball and was a breathe of fresh air to have a fullback who is actually technically comfortable on the ball. But he made several positioning/decision making errors; the kind that we all grill Iva and Cahill for. Overall a decent performance, nothing more. I don't realistically expect him to have displaced neither Azpi nor Iva with today's performance. I think to begin with, Jose started him today mostly because he was expecting Hull to play 3 at the back. As for "best fullback in the world", honestly that's just Liverpool fans level of delusion, imo

And both named Marko! Illuminati confirmed! Although Marko, without his injuries, would probably still be nowhere near the team! Mind you, when he was MVG's age, Marin was the "German Messi".....fingers crossed Van Ginkel's career takes a better route!

I saw his post and was going to quote it and say something like this but thought it would be cruel to Marko. Some players are just so unlucky.

Big big goal. Incredible mins per goal ratio. And that was actually his 4th goal in his last 4 matches against Hull.

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Just so there is no 'racism' involved, you're getting banned by an Arab