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MrBlueGuy

Next Manager?

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If Chelsea ever decide to truly integrate youth players, it will be a process. Including some dry spells in terms of trophies. They've just put it off constantly and delivered lovely empty words to the fans.

I always point to Bayern. They weren't a force in Europe in the 00s after their CL win and were no longer the dominant force in Germany. But they've been reaping the awards of their labour the past five years.

That's why appointing Jose was so odd ! It was basically reverse what was needed. Dry spells under Jose, I tell you how dry spells under Jose looks like, when there's a possibility of dry spell he comes back to basic and plays team for 1:0 win. He did it in 13-14 season, instead of continuing work in progress, after Sunderland game in COC he said that they revert to basic football, playing for 1:0.

I think Chelsea were doing correct things, buying players like Hazard, Mata, Oscar, KdB, spending whole summer chasing Modric (remember that ? they rightly thought he is THE MAN for the midfield) plus that long-term Academy plan that they are reaping effects from. Great set up. Then in the summer of 2013 it only needed the right man for the final push. PEP !!!

I think they hired Jose more of an impuls after Benitez spell and when Pep was taken by Bayern.

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"I can't slow down my players and make them sit back even if we are winning 3-1".

" You can't wait for Arsenal because they are good technically, you have to play".

People will like (once again) this man, he has proven that he doesn't just say these kind of things, he litterally went all in against Barcelona at home ( which should have been rewarded btw ), and now he has players who might be more adapted to his approach.

But I mainly remember him as a really composed, nice, calm and pragmatic main, these qualities are obviously still here, and as our player's confidence is really low, I think he could fix this whole mess.

I wanted Ancelotti at least, if we couldn't get Hiddink, because their man management is similar, Roman made his choice, he is always going to back the players instead of the coach, if that's the case then we might as well start getting good, brilliant but soft coaches ( Pep ain't one, he is really confrontational btw... )

Chelsea's performance at Camp Nou under Hiddink was so extremely defensive. I still laugh whenever I think about it. People absolutely hated Chelsea after that day haha. No recognition what so ever was given for that performance at The Bridge.

I can still picture Drogba missing all those chances in my mind. Never been able to rewatch that game. That hurt bad. One of the greatest games I've seen though. It had everything.

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What should we expect of Simone? of which school of thought is he? .... Attacking?, 'Counter Attacking'?, Pragmatic?... Possession?

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What should we expect of Simone? of which school of thought is he? .... Attacking?, 'Counter Attacking'?, Pragmatic?... Possession?

Try and take some time to watch of Atletico's game in the coming weeks, if you already haven't mate. What you will see is not just a great togetherness but a huge understanding of tactical balance with a great idea of blending attack with a really solid work ethic and attitude. I love watching Atleti over any of the other top boys in La Liga, they play with such a dynamic approach and one that isn't predictable but very, very efficient.

I have huge respect for Simeone.

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Simeone for me. He may we learn to dominate the lesser teams in the league and in Europe (perhaps his Atleti team already do? Haven't watched them in a while and they struggled to break down the teams which sat back) but his counter attacking, passionate, fighting dogged teams against the big boys are just adrenaline filled.

This may sound silly to many, but I'd hate the possession, slow play of pep in the big games especially. There's something about the underdog gnawing and gnashing at the giants of europe, giving them hell and no time to think. Filling the crowd with energy. That's what European ties are made of.

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FUCK positivity.

what has positivity brought arsenal? or spurs?

sorry, but what we need is boss. a person who is not afraid to make changes, to drop underperforming players, who can smack the players' bottoms and most importantly, we need a strong character. we need jose of 2004. the nearest person to that is simeone.

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FUCK positivity.

what has positivity brought arsenal? or spurs?

sorry, but what we need is boss. a person who is not afraid to make changes, to drop underperforming players, who can smack the players' bottoms and most importantly, we need a strong character. we need jose of 2004. the nearest person to that is simeone.

That Era has passed IMHO

You win more with honey than vinegar now, it's better to get people to buy into a philosophy, than rule by fear.

Ruling by fear, doesn't earn respect.

I don't know - think you are taking this player power thing a bit too far with little proof?

That's not a criticism dude - you know I respect you - just an observation :)

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That Era has passed IMHO

You win more with honey than vinegar now, it's better to get people to buy into a philosophy, than rule by fear.

Ruling by fear, doesn't earn respect.

I don't know - think you are taking this player power thing a bit too far with little proof?

That's not a criticism dude - you know I respect you - just an observation :)

I dont think "FEAR" is the right word here.

I dont think players like Lamps, DD, etoo, zlatan etc etc "feared" jose. I dont think the likes of tiago, koke, luis, godin, "fear" simeone.

Most of these players and infact most of the players who have played under them think of them as a father figure. In fact, i would say the players who have played for jose and simeone or even someone in their category - SAF, seem to respect these guys the most.

Is simeone ruthless? YES. i mean look at the way he took out an underperforming miranda and replaced him with jimenez. same goes for mandzukic or cerci. simeone was not afraid to sell/loan them 1 year after ATM spent a fortune on them (by ATM standards).

But thats what today's football is all about. owners dont have the patience to watch a year without a trophy or a minor slump (not ours, ours was as major as its comes).

hence, i feel simeone would be perfect for us.

as for player power. lets not get into it here. EVEN IF, there was not any major player involvement in getting jose sacked, some of these players STILL deserve to be sold.

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I think saying Mourinho and Simeone are the same is the same as saying Guardiola and Wenger are the same. They're not. There are similarities but they're not the same.

Wouldn't mind Simeone at all but I would prefer a manager with a different approach. Why wouldn't we deserve performances with our team taking teams by the scruff? Obviously not possible in every game but it would be the aim, the style. We've witnessed the pragmatic and defensive game for so long.

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Maybe the best option is, now that we only have one assistant manager - it seems we always have two now? - maybe getting a club legend like Drogba, Terry, Lampard etc. (one that just pop into head) for a grooming to be a long succesor. They be involved with the first team training, learn tactics from the actual manager -- Simone, Guardiola etc. -- and would also have a connection towards the club's image and the support.

It could be akin to Ryan Giggs and Man U, or the supposed idea, or Ally McCoist and Walter Smith at Rangers (dunno much information about that).

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That Era has passed IMHO

You win more with honey than vinegar now, it's better to get people to buy into a philosophy, than rule by fear.

Ruling by fear, doesn't earn respect.

I don't know - think you are taking this player power thing a bit too far with little proof?

That's not a criticism dude - you know I respect you - just an observation :)

Simeone's vinegar seems to do the trick.

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The problem with Simeone is not the fact that he too is a coach that puts emphasis upon the defence and the hard work. The problem is that just as Mourinho he is the negative and aggressive kind of coach. That's not what we need. From the board to the fans, and most specifically the players, Chelsea needs positivity—Chelsea needs to enjoy football again, and not to grind results against the World.

So who would you pick out of interest?

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I'm not overly excited about Simeone, though I do think that's who we'll go for.

Togetherness, spirit, counter-attacking, it sounds very familiar. I don't see it as progress for the club.

I don't think he's bad, it just doesn't excite me.

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I'm not overly excited about Simeone, though I do think that's who we'll go for.

Togetherness, spirit, counter-attacking, it sounds very familiar. I don't see it as progress for the club.

I don't think he's bad, it just doesn't excite me.

I like Simeone, but that's mostly because I think he fits the ethos that Jose set down. He's combative, he wears his heart on his sleeve, he fights for his players and defends them and on the pitch he isn't an adherent to beautiful football for it's own sake. He isn't afraid to be pragmatic, but he's had to be as an underdog in La Liga. He's also had good success there.

But this whole discussion for me is pointless unless we put the new coach in a position to succeed. That means having people throughout the club who are all working towards a common goal for what we want to put on the pitch, and that needs to feed down into every level of the academy.

If we don't do that then we'll just keep spinning our wheels.

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