The English Football Thread

[NishC300 1,865]

Don't want to argue mate. I refuse to believe that corruption has crept into English football. What are we? Italians?

Pointing to that article, read it long ago, and I have laughed at loopholes. For once United has been compared to the weighted average and not individual teams.

I have been a strong follower of this site for a long time , have a look - http://www.refereedecisions.co.uk/

it provides a more clear and unbiased opinion.

So U mean all these referees like Jeff Winter disappear for no reason?

and those who favour United seem to stay?

Not to mention Fergie's political connections.

United is the most corrupt club in the world. Look at the heads of PGMOB, FA and PL. United owners or fans.

[JayC 171]

You're living in fantasy world if you think your team is stronger in every area other than striker. Absolute fantasy world. Take a look at your defense and DM... then take a look at your wingers.

And we score the same goal the same way everytime...? Have you any idea how hard that would be? Don't you think after the second time we did it teams would cotton on, and defend it? We must be so good. You're out of your league. You post some stupid page, and call us corrupt. What the actual fuck?

Staggering stupidity on display in this thread right now.

[NishC300 1,865]

You're living in fantasy world if you think your team is stronger in every area other than striker. Absolute fantasy world. Take a look at your defense and DM... then take a look at your wingers.

And we score the same goal the same way everytime...? Have you any idea how hard that would be? Don't you think after the second time we did it teams would cotton on, and defend it? We must be so good. You're out of your league. You post some stupid page, and call us corrupt. What the actual fuck?

Staggering stupidity on display in this thread right now.

Well then u certainly haven't read United forums.....

[Barbara 15,149]

Well, everybody knows how much I hate ManUtd and how I think they had more than suspicious calls by officiating... just like everyone else does.

But one doesn't win so many times, becomes the club with the most national leagues out of luck... Those suspicious calls were just poor calls

I want ManUtd to never win even Charity Shield again, but to credit all their honors and glories to luck and corruption? It sounds bitter, childish and it makes us look worse.

If they're so average, then why haven't we won the title in the last few years? Yeah, the officiating in the first EPL match against them was ridiculous, but those 3 points weren't the difference between them and us at the end of the season. So if they're so average, shame on us, because regardless of how much they were "helped", as a team that is more than average we should have won our matches. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if they win their matches or not, if we keep drawing and losing ours... Or if ManC draws and loses theirs. Or the conspiracy theory goes as further as having referees to lead Chelsea, ManC, Arsenal, and Liverpool to lose their matches for 20 years? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I really feel sort of embarrassed when our fans resort to that kind of argument. It makes all of us look like sore losers.

And then I have to hear one of my friends who is a ManU fan telling me every single time we have referees making mistakes that favor us if Roman is now signing referees as well. She's very vocal about it because people are very vocal about bad calls favoring ManU... She knows I don't credit ManU titles to that, but I of course bitch about mistakes while watching the match. What some call lucky, I call being obstinate and just forcing the result. That's determination, hard work and of course, luck is an aspect. A minor one. One simply doesn't get lucky for so long.

Corruption is everywhere, I'm not naive to believe otherwise, but not to that extent and not to make a team like ManU reaching UCL finals - where I suppose SAF isn't as influential... for as long as human beings are the ones officiating there will be mistakes...

The difference between ManU squad and some others is that they were a team in the truest meaning of the word and that passes through SAF - who made so many mistakes in the last few years in many matches, but as they work as a team, and team that has a winning vocation and thirsty they just win.

I hope they don't win a title for the next 20 years though

[Kojo 4,676]

You're living in fantasy world if you think your team is stronger in every area other than striker. Absolute fantasy world. Take a look at your defense and DM... then take a look at your wingers.

And we score the same goal the same way everytime...? Have you any idea how hard that would be? Don't you think after the second time we did it teams would cotton on, and defend it? We must be so good. You're out of your league. You post some stupid page, and call us corrupt. What the actual fuck?

Staggering stupidity on display in this thread right now.

Yeah whatever, keep saying that when you finish 3rd

CHOWWWWWWWW

[bushman 2,043]

Well, everybody knows how much I hate ManUtd and how I think they had more than suspicious calls by officiating... just like everyone else does.

But one doesn't win so many times, becomes the club with the most national leagues out of luck... Those suspicious calls were just poor calls

I want ManUtd to never win even Charity Shield again, but to credit all their honors and glories to luck and corruption? It sounds bitter, childish and it makes us look worse.

If they're so average, then why haven't we won the title in the last few years? Yeah, the officiating in the first EPL match against them was ridiculous, but those 3 points weren't the difference between them and us at the end of the season. So if they're so average, shame on us, because regardless of how much they were "helped", as a team that is more than average we should have won our matches. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if they win their matches or not, if we keep drawing and losing ours... Or if ManC draws and loses theirs. Or the conspiracy theory goes as further as having referees to lead Chelsea, ManC, Arsenal, and Liverpool to lose their matches for 20 years? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I really feel sort of embarrassed when our fans resort to that kind of argument. It makes all of us look like sore losers.

And then I have to hear one of my friends who is a ManU fan telling me every single time we have referees making mistakes that favor us if Roman is now signing referees as well. She's very vocal about it because people are very vocal about bad calls favoring ManU... She knows I don't credit ManU titles to that, but I of course bitch about mistakes while watching the match. What some call lucky, I call being obstinate and just forcing the result. That's determination, hard work and of course, luck is an aspect. A minor one. One simply doesn't get lucky for so long.

Corruption is everywhere, I'm not naive to believe otherwise, but not to that extent and not to make a team like ManU reaching UCL finals - where I suppose SAF isn't as influential... for as long as human beings are the ones officiating there will be mistakes...

The difference between ManU squad and some others is that they were a team in the truest meaning of the word and that passes through SAF - who made so many mistakes in the last few years in many matches, but as they work as a team, and team that has a winning vocation and thirsty they just win.

I hope they don't win a title for the next 20 years though

Well you do have some valid points above. Just one little question here. We both know Manures have been receiving preferential treatments, decisions for years.

Just a few examples. The game is tied at 80th minute. Suddenly, a questionable call, a free kick.., is awarded & Manures scored.

The result: the three points are added to the stats. These occurrences happened 3-4 times a year & there is your advantage for Manures.

[NishC300 1,865]

So which team will receieve a red card playing against United 1st this season?

[bushman 2,043]

So which team will receieve a red card playing against United 1st this season?

With Chelsea´s luck, most likely they are the 1st ones.

Not too long ago, you asked me about TFF. There you should see the total arrogance of Manure fans.

[NishC300 1,865]

With Chelsea´s luck, most likely they are the 1st ones.

Not too long ago, you asked me about TFF. There you should see the total arrogance of Manure fans.

I don't need TFF to see their arrogance. I have real life examples. My school is full of "Man United" fans who don't even know who Ferguson is.

One of the guys told me:

"We are Manchester United and we are proud of bribing referees cos we win!"

Yup.

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

Bloody hell. Literally cringed reading this entire page.

I tip my hat to Barbra and Hjperdeath for actually thinking rationally and keeping an open mind.

[JayC 171]

I really feel sort of embarrassed when our fans resort to that kind of argument. It makes all of us look like sore losers.

I would too.

Your post was top notch though. Well said. I can take that sort of post no problem. Even knowing you dislike us winning things, you're fair. It's not worth becoming some bitter fool, it really isn't.

[bushman 2,043]

I don't need TFF to see their arrogance. I have real life examples. My school is full of "Man United" fans who don't even know who Ferguson is.

One of the guys told me:

"We are Manchester United and we are proud of bribing referees cos we win!"

Yup.

Most likely, half the FA board are ex-manures too.

Every forum I went to, manure fans were the biggest cunts there.

I can tolerate Liverpool, Spurs, even half the Arsenal fans are readable, but manures are just arrogant dimwits.

[Special Juan 28,106]

Chamakh signs for palace....thoughts are with them at this difficult time.

[Liquidator 5,176]

Adopting Palace as my second team this year...

[Barbara 15,149]

Well you do have some valid points above. Just one little question here. We both know Manures have been receiving preferential treatments, decisions for years.

Just a few examples. The game is tied at 80th minute. Suddenly, a questionable call, a free kick.., is awarded & Manures scored.

The result: the three points are added to the stats. These occurrences happened 3-4 times a year & there is your advantage for Manures.

I made a post about it the other day.

SAF put a lot of pressure on officiating. He was going his job... it was up to the referees not to let it happen. I have no doubts Mourinho is going to do the same if he feels like he can have the upper hand. It's not illicit to do that. And again, for that advantage to happen the others have to lose points. I remember laughing on opposition scoring during Fergie time last season. I don't remember the matches, but I guess it happened two times... Jay may help me there

As I said it look suspicious, but I believe that's only that. Referees being intimidated by SAF. It's part of his aggregate value

Thank God he's gone now, let's hope he won't continue to do it in the sidelines. Let him enjoy his grandkids

and I'm off lads. Now I'm actually on vacation, I was just spending time at my mom's.

But I might check the news once/twice a day.