The English Football Thread

[Tomo 21,751]

6 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

It seems odd that Conte & Levy couldn't come to an agreement over the summer but have miraculously come to one now. 

Either way, we all know that if he does actually join them, it won't last long. 

My educated guess is the hostile atmosphere on Saturday has forced Levy's hand, they've made it clear they're at the end of their tether with him so he's panicked and meet Conte half way (possibly more).

[Pizy 18,897]

25 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

It seems odd that Conte & Levy couldn't come to an agreement over the summer but have miraculously come to one now. 

Either way, we all know that if he does actually join them, it won't last long. 

Didn’t things with Conte fall apart in the summer over him wanting to bring in his huge coaching staff? Guess Levy is desperate enough now to give in to his demands.

[Blue Armour 4,439]

33 minutes ago, Tomo said:

My educated guess is the hostile atmosphere on Saturday has forced Levy's hand, they've made it clear they're at the end of their tether with him so he's panicked and meet Conte half way (possibly more).

How you think it will go for Conte & Spurs? Make them an easy top 4 contender again?

[Tomo 21,751]

12 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

How you think it will go for Conte & Spurs? Make them an easy top 4 contender again?

He will certainly have them there or there abouts once again (unless the masks comes off before the success this time).

Difficult to gauge how good his peak will be on this occasion, if he inherited their 2017 side I'd be seriously worried but with the current squad and Levy's backing (even if he heavily backs Conte for Spurs' standard it still won't be enough to compete with what other clubs can put on the table) I think the title will be a big ask even for him.

From our perspective he's certainly better of at Spurs than United, I reckon he could have got the latter seriously challenging immediately.

Edited November 1, 2021 by Tomo

[LAM09 7,050]

42 minutes ago, Tomo said:

My educated guess is the hostile atmosphere on Saturday has forced Levy's hand, they've made it clear they're at the end of their tether with him so he's panicked and meet Conte half way (possibly more).

That's probably the case. He needlessly threw money down the drain by appointing Nuno, and in the end, he's given into Conte's demands and made things worse for him/the club.

24 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Didn’t things with Conte fall apart in the summer over him wanting to bring in his huge coaching staff? Guess Levy is desperate enough now to give in to his demands.

I not sure about that. Possibly the case, but I'm sure he'll want a decent size transfer budget as well, which raises questions considering they spent a fair chunk a number of months ago. 

[Jase 43,479]

8 minutes ago, Tomo said:

He will certainly have them there or there abouts once again (unless the masks comes off before the success this time).

Difficult to gauge how good his peak will be on this occasion, if he inherited their 2017 side I'd be seriously worried but with the current squad and Levy's backing (even if he heavily backs Conte for Spurs' standard it still won't be enough to compete with what other clubs can put on the table) I think the title will be a big ask even for him.

From our perspective he's certainly better of at Spurs than United, I reckon he could have got the latter seriously challenging immediately.

Not to discredit his title wins (including ours) but I wonder how long, if at all, will he take to make Spurs challenge for the title?

When he won the 3 Serie A titles at Juventus, the league was somewhat in the doldrums without any credible challenges from the other side apart from maybe AC Milan and Roma.

When he won the Premier League with us, Guardiola and Klopp were still getting to terms with the league. Granted, Conte adapted the fastest and kudos to him for that but once the other two got up to speed, especially Guardiola, Conte couldn't really keep up with the challenge. Maybe that wasn't helped as well by Conte being a drama queen in his second season.

Then at Inter, okay, he got them close in his first season and managed to win the Serie A in his second campaign but it took an ailing/falling Juventus side for that to happen. 

So, I just wonder whether he can keep up the challenge with us, City and/or Liverpool if we're all at our peak. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,311]

The Sp*rs job is too big for Conte, they need a man like Allardyce, a true Tottenham manager if ever there was one

[ZAPHOD2319 4,814]

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,311]

''If we sign Jose we will be challenging for the league" "If we sack Jose and get Conte we will be challenging for the league" "if we get Nuno for 17 games then sack him, then get Conte we Will be challenging for the league". At what stage do they accept that it's Levy and his policies that are the problem ?

[Warning_Hazard 156]

41 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

''If we sign Jose we will be challenging for the league" "If we sack Jose and get Conte we will be challenging for the league" "if we get Nuno for 17 games then sack him, then get Conte we Will be challenging for the league". At what stage do they accept that it's Levy and his policies that are the problem ?

Hopefully never!

[Warning_Hazard 156]

Personally think conte to spurs could well be another disaster.

Conte throws the toys out as soon as he gets told no by boards (just like at the bridge)

Can people honestly see conte working with fookin levy?

Be interesting to watch but def has an air of inevatability about it

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, Jase said:

Not to discredit his title wins (including ours) but I wonder how long, if at all, will he take to make Spurs challenge for the title?

When he won the 3 Serie A titles at Juventus, the league was somewhat in the doldrums without any credible challenges from the other side apart from maybe AC Milan and Roma.

When he won the Premier League with us, Guardiola and Klopp were still getting to terms with the league. Granted, Conte adapted the fastest and kudos to him for that but once the other two got up to speed, especially Guardiola, Conte couldn't really keep up with the challenge. Maybe that wasn't helped as well by Conte being a drama queen in his second season.

Then at Inter, okay, he got them close in his first season and managed to win the Serie A in his second campaign but it took an ailing/falling Juventus side for that to happen. 

So, I just wonder whether he can keep up the challenge with us, City and/or Liverpool if we're all at our peak. 

I think you're being a bit harsh there.

The defending Champions when he took over Juve were A.C. Milan with Ibra, Robinho, Silva etc and he also had Napoli with the Cavani, Lavezzi and Hamsik trio to contend with. And that's before we mention Juve had two consecutive 7th place finishes prior to his arrival.

With us, while it's undeniable Klopp and Pep were far from having their complete team he still took over a team who finished 10th the previous season. It's easy to say in hindsight we still had the core of the 2015 title winning team but no one fancied Conte to have us bounce back from the 15/16 horror show so quickly. I was one of the few that thought there was a minor chance (due to his previous of recovering a crisis) and was laughed at.

As much of a cunt as he turned into the following season, he was next to flawless in the title season (and the 'next to' bit is only there because of the cup final).

Inter is probably the closest to benefiting from other teams in a lull but at the same time I'd argue that's a strength to be the manager who will say "I'll take this" when everyone else plays like they're more keen to lose it, it's how Fergie won a good number of his titles (especially the last two). For example, if Conte was managing United last season you can be sure he was taking advantage of City "only" getting points in their 80s and us and Liverpool self destructing in the middle third.

Edited November 1, 2021 by Tomo

[Jase 43,479]

24 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I think you're being a bit harsh there.

The defending Champions when he took over Juve were A.C. Milan with Ibra, Robinho, Silva etc and he also had Napoli with the Cavani, Lavezzi and Hamsik trio to contend with. And that's before we mention Juve had two consecutive 7th place finishes prior to his arrival.

With us, while it's undeniable Klopp and Pep were far from having their complete team he still took over a team who finished 10th the previous season. It's easy to say in hindsight we still had the core of the 2015 title winning team but no one fancied Conte to have us bounce back from the 15/16 horror show so quickly. I was one of the few that thought there was a minor chance (due to his previous of recovering a crisis) and was laughed at.

As much of a cunt as he turned into the following season, he was next to flawless in the title season (and the 'next to' bit is only there because of the cup final).

Inter is probably the closest to benefiting from other teams in a lull but at the same time I'd argue that's a strength to be the manager who will say "I'll take this" when everyone else plays like they're more keen to lose it, it's how Fergie won a good number of his titles (especially the last two). For example, if Conte was managing United last season you can be sure he was taking advantage of City "only" getting points in their 80s and us and Liverpool self destructing in the middle third.

Don't get me wrong. You can only do your job and beat what's in front of you (I might have misremembered his time at Juventus a little).

But guess what I'm trying to say is, Conte hasn't yet challenged and won a league title against another side in their peak shape, bit like how City and Liverpool were neck-and-neck for basically the whole season in 2018/19. Is he able to do that with 1-3 of us, City and Liverpool in top form? 

Plus another thing with Conte is Europe. Can he challenge for the title and in Europe at the same time? When he won the league with us, we weren't in Europe and in his first season with Inter, they fell short of the title as they went all the way to the Europa League final. In his second season, Inter got eliminated in the Champions League group stage and Conte then practically had a clear run and focus for the league since December. Okay, he still managed to win the league in his second and third seasons at Juventus despite going deep in Europe but that's somewhat long ago now and recent evidence suggests otherwise.

[Tomo 21,751]

2 minutes ago, Jase said:

Don't get me wrong. You can only do your job and beat what's in front of you (I might have misremembered his time at Juventus a little).

But guess what I'm trying to say is, Conte hasn't yet challenged and won a league title against another side in their peak shape, bit like how City and Liverpool were neck-and-neck for basically the whole season in 2018/19. Is he able to do that with 1-3 of us, City and Liverpool in top form? 

Plus another thing with Conte is Europe. Can he challenge for the title and in Europe at the same time? When he won the league with us, we weren't in Europe and in his first season with Inter, they fell short of the title as they went all the way to the Europa League final. In his second season, Inter got eliminated in the Champions League group stage and Conte then practically had a clear run and focus for the league since December. Okay, he still managed to win the league in his second and third seasons at Juventus despite going deep in Europe but that's somewhat long ago now and recent evidence suggests otherwise.

Yeah his record in Europe is a massive question mark hanging over him.

He's got everything to prove on that score still.

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Yeah his record in Europe is a massive question mark hanging over him.

He's got everything to prove on that score still.

For starters, if he can't win the Europa Conference League with Spurs, he should just retire immediately. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,381]

4 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Yeah his record in Europe is a massive question mark hanging over him.

Has a lot to do with how he approaches games. He's very much a reactive manager. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,311]

1 hour ago, Warning_Hazard said:

Can people honestly see conte working with fookin levy?

Hopefully not. Give it till the end of the season.

[Tomo 21,751]

11 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Has a lot to do with how he approaches games. He's very much a reactive manager. 

Thing with Conte though is his record isn't even average. He's only got past the group stage twice which for context is as many times as Lampard. 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,072]

6 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Conte at Spurs is much easier to handle than at ManUre from a pure rational perspective but it does itch me a little bit that he would go to a rival despite how much he is still revered by Chelsea fans.

I wish this was unanimous. Some fans turned on him, even at The Bridge.

[NikkiCFC 8,318]

5 hours ago, Tomo said:

My educated guess is the hostile atmosphere on Saturday has forced Levy's hand, they've made it clear they're at the end of their tether with him so he's panicked and meet Conte half way (possibly more).

I expected to see United panicking and trying to steal him from Spurs like they did with Ronaldo. 

 

1 hour ago, Jase said:

For starters, if he can't win the Europa Conference League with Spurs, he should just retire immediately. 

He will have to beat Jose. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by NikkiCFC