The English Football Thread

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@Blue Armour You said that our title challenge went up in smoke after Klopp said we are the favorites (or something along those lines)...might have something more to do with our own manager playing down our chances after beating Leeds. Instead of trying to instill belief in the players, our manager tried to manage expectations too much. We might not be the finished article just yet but given the nature of this season, we could have at least given it a good go but alas, we're in 9th and 7 points off the top. 

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Klopp whingeing massively about not getting 2 pen calls

so predictable

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Just now, Jason said:

@Blue Armour You said that our title challenge went up in smoke after Klopp said we are the favorites (or something along those lines)...might have something more to do with our own manager playing down our chances after beating Leeds. Instead of trying to instill belief in the players, our manager tried to manage expectations too much. We might not be the finished article just yet but given the nature of this season, we could have at least given it a good go but alas, we're in 9th and 7 points off the top. 

you both are right

and that was a key inflection point

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

15 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

I miss Drogba

On a serious note, our current lot are too naive.

Lampard should instruct players like Pulisic to play for the foul at every opportunity. Just like Morurinho did with Hazard.

Teach them the dark arts.

Frank is too naive and too nice. As all younger modern ex player British coaches are because these sort of things are frowned upon and it is believed that all these things stemmed from “foreign coaches and players bringing into into the league”. Remember the spy gate thing? Unbelievable. Criticism Bielsa got for an approach which he’s been using throughout his career in which he also done the presser thing where journalists were blown away with his meticulous nature and approach. An approach Villas-Boas said Mourinho also adopted while here... yet British manager saying its wrong and British football being “the best and biggest”, its hugely frowned upon. Naivety. Guardiola is an absolutely revolutionary manager and has been since 2008 but his teams have been doing tactical fouls and getting calls by players over exaggerating fouls for seasons upon seasons. Mourinho also. No surprise either, these are two of the most successful and most revolutionary managers of the last 20 years. Yet British managers, we will do it our way we are British and we never dive or never played dirty or never used unfair advantages bla bla bla. Thats why bar Fergie and Brian Clough, there haven’t been very many successful ones in recent time. And at this rate foreign coaches will continue to be trend setters and win the big prizes. Football is ultimately about winning. And these guys will literally do anything to he successful.

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20 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

he has had many poor games this season

and his defence is so poor it doesn't make up when he is off his offensive game

Roberston has been the VASTLY better fullback so far

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Kyle Walker-Peters is turning into one of the better RB's in the league

and Mou has issues there

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13 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

I miss Drogba

On a serious note, our current lot are too naive.

Lampard should instruct players like Pulisic to play for the foul at every opportunity. Just like Morurinho did with Hazard.

Teach them the dark arts.

Yeah Drogba tried it on for half a season or so ? Didnt need to cheat inthe end, just pure power.

Definitely too naive, all we get do in terms of 'dark arts' are Kantes professional fouls 

...and if you look through the list registered PL refs, theres quite a few that dont like us

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4 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Frank is too naive and too nice. As all younger modern ex player British coaches are because these sort of things are frowned upon and it is believed that all these things stemmed from “foreign coaches and players bringing into into the league”. Remember the spy gate thing? Unbelievable. Criticism Bielsa got for an approach which he’s been using throughout his career in which he also done the presser thing where journalists were blown away with his meticulous nature and approach. An approach Villas-Boas said Mourinho also adopted while here... yet British manager saying its wrong and British football being “the best and biggest”, its hugely frowned upon. Naivety. Guardiola is an absolutely revolutionary manager and has been since 2008 but his teams have been doing tactical fouls and getting calls by players over exaggerating fouls for seasons upon seasons. Mourinho also. No surprise either, these are two of the most successful and most revolutionary managers of the last 20 years. Yet British managers, we will do it our way we are British and we never dive or never played dirty or never used unfair advantages bla bla bla. Thats why bar Fergie and Brian Clough, there haven’t been very many successful ones in recent time. And at this rate foreign coaches will continue to be trend setters and win the big prizes.

When you see how Lampard is making us play right now, you can see why the big clubs in England always go for foreign managers and there aren't many successful English managers, because they aren't tactically innovative, not in-tune with modern football and still play football from decades ago. 

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6 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Frank is too naive and too nice. As all younger modern ex player British coaches are because these sort of things are frowned upon and it is believed that all these things stemmed from “foreign coaches and players bringing into into the league”. Remember the spy gate thing? Unbelievable. Criticism Bielsa got for an approach which he’s been using throughout his career in which he also done the presser thing where journalists were blown away with his meticulous nature and approach. An approach Villas-Boas said Mourinho also adopted while here... yet British manager saying its wrong and British football being “the best and biggest”, its hugely frowned upon. Naivety. Guardiola is an absolutely revolutionary manager and has been since 2008 but his teams have been doing tactical fouls and getting calls by players over exaggerating foula for seasons upon seasons. Mourinho also. No surprise either, these are two of the most successful and most revolutionary managers of the last 20 years. Yet British managers, we will do it our way we are British and we never dive or never played dirty bla bla bla. 

old school brit superb managers had viscously combative and often fairly dirty (or at least hard as fuck) teams

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Just now, Vesper said:

old school brit superb managers had viscously combative and often fairly dirty (or at least hard as fuck) teams

Tony Pulis is available.  

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4 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

 

...and if you look through the list registered PL refs, theres quite a few that dont like us

it's fuck up the Russian team time at PGMOL HQ

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Just now, Vesper said:

it's fuck up the Russian team time at PGMOL HQ

Or ' we need Man Utd and Liverpool up there because they have the biggest market in Asia' 

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

old school brit superb managers had viscously combative

Working class shouters - Ferguson, Docherty, Rednapp - lampard was sent to a posh school 

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32 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Working class shouters - Ferguson, Docherty, Rednapp - lampard was sent to a posh school 

cant see Lamps dishing out a proper hairdryer, lolol

[Blue Armour 4,448]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

@Blue Armour You said that our title challenge went up in smoke after Klopp said we are the favorites (or something along those lines)...might have something more to do with our own manager playing down our chances after beating Leeds. Instead of trying to instill belief in the players, our manager tried to manage expectations too much. We might not be the finished article just yet but given the nature of this season, we could have at least given it a good go but alas, we're in 9th and 7 points off the top. 

You might be right. Honestly it depends on what Lampard really says in the dressing room, rather than in public.

I remember that Werner in his early season interviews was talking about title challenges and winning the CL with Chelsea. Silva also made comments about coming here to win trophies.

Players like that NEED challenges like that to stay motivated. If behind closed doors, Lampard was maintaining the same pessimistic attitude that he showed outside, then it's little surprise that we are where we are now. 

Lampard has not been showing much positive body language on the pitch these days, so it wouldn't surprise me if that is indeed the case. All too symptomatic.

I also made a comment earlier in Dec about how recent Chelsea teams tend to go into a slump midway though the season if the title challenge becomes unrealistic. We seem to be right on cue.

[Blue Armour 4,448]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Could have been up there, challenging for the title at the very least but the manager...

That gif is so appropriate given our current situation.

 

[Blue Armour 4,448]

54 minutes ago, Vesper said:

cant see Lamps dishing out a proper hairdryer, lolol

Lot of the top managers can be absolute nutjobs at times. Basically living in the moment, analyzing every second of their teams performance, ready to make changes.

[chelsea_4_eva 1,182]

we're naive, we're turning into... arsenal... 

do we have a player in the squad with grit and shithousery a drogba, a costa we're missing some of that personality

[bluephoenix 1,131]

Lampard needs to get out of the imposter manager phase and start acting like a real manager. Make strong calls, demand more from players. Effing try and find his mojo!

I feel his humility at times could lose his image of being a leader manager maybe?

My oh my how did Southampton pull that victory! They were knocking and getting knocked by liverpool till the end. Maybe our lot should learn a thing or 2 about defending from looking at all the other teams defend.

 

[Blue Armour 4,448]

Start of a Klopp meltdown?

He might be right, but he seems rattled by the way United have been getting penalties in their favor this season.