The English Football Thread

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Wilshere caught smoking again

Lol

This is why english football gets nowhere. Because these bitches prefer to enjoy than work little harder. They have talent but dont use it.

Gerrard or Lamps (or whoever) worked harder and harder to succeed. It wasnt just talent. Nowdays english boys mentality is completely different (well not just english but general) and its seen in football.

Many who had poor lives (like south american players) enjoy more succees because they went through shit and never gave up. Kids nowdays already have nearly everything and its bad for their development.

But you know, Wilshere now has all money in the world. Why would he train if he can enjoy. Not that I would give any fuck about that dipshit but english football needs revoltion. Its unbelievable how far are Spain, germany, france, south america,...

When you look; english players dont have ANY role in non english clubs, but they also have smaller role in top english clubs every year which is worrying.

And its not just football. Its global. Each generation gets weirder and weirder.

But its kinda ironic because even I live partly responsibility-free life. Realy dont give shit about many things as long as I keep my friends, family, cash, college, hobbies balanced.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

This is why english football gets nowhere. Because these bitches prefer to enjoy than work little harder. They have talent but dont use it.

Gerrard or Lamps (or whoever) worked harder and harder to succeed. It wasnt just talent. Nowdays english boys mentality is completely different (well not just english but general) and its seen in football.

Many who had poor lives (like south american players) enjoy more succees because they went through shit and never gave up. Kids nowdays already have nearly everything and its bad for their development.

But you know, Wilshere now has all money in the world. Why would he train if he can enjoy. Not that I would give any fuck about that dipshit but english football needs revoltion. Its unbelievable how far are Spain, germany, france, south america,...

When you look; english players dont have ANY role in non english clubs, but they also have smaller role in top english clubs every year which is worrying.

And its not just football. Its global. Each generation gets weirder and weirder.

But its kinda ironic because even I live partly responsibility-free life. Realy dont give shit about many things as long as I keep my friends, family, cash, college, hobbies balanced.

Load of bollocks. Just because one Arse kid smokes, suddenly all English players are lazy? No. Bertrand, RLC, Solanke, JT. Admittedly, the pool reduces in first team football but that is not laziness, that is just the effect of years of acute underinvestment in facilities and an era of buying the finished product as opposed to making your own.

Open your eyes and take a look at our academy. Full of hard working lads, and they also have a role model in JT. It's unfair to write them off.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Load of bollocks. Just because one Arse kid smokes, suddenly all English players are lazy? No. Bertrand, RLC, Solanke, JT. Admittedly, the pool reduces in first team football but that is not laziness, that is just the effect of years of acute underinvestment in facilities and an era of buying the finished product as opposed to making your own.

Open your eyes and take a look at our academy. Full of hard working lads, and they also have a role model in JT. It's unfair to write them off.

1.) No, not just because Wilshere smokes

2.) Look at results of england on euros and WCs in past few years and compare to other nations.

3.) Check what roles english players play in TOP english clubs and TOP clubs across europe and compare to other nations.

4.) Compare the attitude of top english prospects, their hype and actual success. Few examples: Sterling, Barkley, Wilshere.

5.) You point out like our academy is successful or sth. No its not. Transition from u21 on senior level fails by club and individual player every time. Last one was Terry, what 16 years ago? Academy is successful only when players play for original or other top club. Cant say that for our academy.

There are clear problems with english youth program, talents attitude etc. Another example is mceachran who got lost due to his attitude and how club handled him. England wasnt as successful in international level, but at least there were club performers. Ferdinand, Terry, Gerrard, Lamps, Scholes etc.

And the future lies in Wilshere, Lallana, Henderson because there are no better talents which is ridiculous. For a country that has like 50m people and oldest FA, that should be solved years ago but it only gets worse. Instead of taking hard hand and strict discipline like they do in germany, or technical skill in spain, england is making brilliant success on making egos who dont give two fucks. Failing to justify fees, hypes and potentials, performing poorly in int competitions, plus they lost every role in non UK top clubs, while quickly losing it in england top clubs.

Fact is that out of all those millions of youth talents, they only become good enough for middtable english clubs lies either on realy shit mentality, youth infrastructure or both.

I will probably get lot of stick from some english members here but its how it is.

Spain and Germany are miles ahead, France is getting there to, aswell some individual s.a. countries. Italy would be too if not for their financial problems. Holland, Belgium, etc.

We will soon run out of our english back bone. Lamps, Cole gone, Terry soon. And the fact that we cant get anyone is because other club talents/seniors they are simply shit, while academy players never get proper run-in here. Thats one big fucking problem if you ask me.

[We Hate Scouse 10,287]

This is why english football gets nowhere. Because these bitches prefer to enjoy than work little harder. They have talent but dont use it.

Gerrard or Lamps (or whoever) worked harder and harder to succeed. It wasnt just talent. Nowdays english boys mentality is completely different (well not just english but general) and its seen in football.

Many who had poor lives (like south american players) enjoy more succees because they went through shit and never gave up. Kids nowdays already have nearly everything and its bad for their development.

But you know, Wilshere now has all money in the world. Why would he train if he can enjoy. Not that I would give any fuck about that dipshit but english football needs revoltion. Its unbelievable how far are Spain, germany, france, south america,...

When you look; english players dont have ANY role in non english clubs, but they also have smaller role in top english clubs every year which is worrying.

And its not just football. Its global. Each generation gets weirder and weirder.

But its kinda ironic because even I live partly responsibility-free life. Realy dont give shit about many things as long as I keep my friends, family, cash, college, hobbies balanced.

It isn't a new thing at all. There has always been a history of English players going out partying until early hours and lacking morals.

Just because Lampard and Terry have matured now doesn't mean they were sensible when they were Wilsheres age.

The day after the September 11 attacks, Terry and then Chelsea team-mates Frank Lampard, Eidur Gudjohnsen and Jody Morris, were accused of drunkenly mocking American tourists following a drinking session at Heathrow Airport. Fined two weeks wages.

You can find numerous examples for any other player.

Gerrard hitting a DJ

Ferdinand missing drugs tests

Rooney and the granny

[xPetrCechx 13,565]

It isn't a new thing at all. There has always been a history of English players going out partying until early hours and lacking morals.

Just because Lampard and Terry have matured now doesn't mean they were sensible when they were Wilsheres age.

You can find numerous examples for any other player.

Gerrard hitting a DJ

Ferdinand missing drugs tests

Rooney and the granny

WHS :wub:

[Roquila 1,335]

WHS :wub:

Same avatar picture but not the same person

[lucio 5,418]

If arsenal can recall coquelin from charlton and utilize him well in big matches. We could learn something from that. I doubt he is better than our young mids

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

1.) No, not just because Wilshere smokes

2.) Look at results of england on euros and WCs in past few years and compare to other nations.

3.) Check what roles english players play in TOP english clubs and TOP clubs across europe and compare to other nations.

4.) Compare the attitude of top english prospects, their hype and actual success. Few examples: Sterling, Barkley, Wilshere.

5.) You point out like our academy is successful or sth. No its not. Transition from u21 on senior level fails by club and individual player every time. Last one was Terry, what 16 years ago? Academy is successful only when players play for original or other top club. Cant say that for our academy.

There are clear problems with english youth program, talents attitude etc. Another example is mceachran who got lost due to his attitude and how club handled him. England wasnt as successful in international level, but at least there were club performers. Ferdinand, Terry, Gerrard, Lamps, Scholes etc.

And the future lies in Wilshere, Lallana, Henderson because there are no better talents which is ridiculous. For a country that has like 50m people and oldest FA, that should be solved years ago but it only gets worse. Instead of taking hard hand and strict discipline like they do in germany, or technical skill in spain, england is making brilliant success on making egos who dont give two fucks. Failing to justify fees, hypes and potentials, performing poorly in int competitions, plus they lost every role in non UK top clubs, while quickly losing it in england top clubs.

Fact is that out of all those millions of youth talents, they only become good enough for middtable english clubs lies either on realy shit mentality, youth infrastructure or both.

I will probably get lot of stick from some english members here but its how it is.

Spain and Germany are miles ahead, France is getting there to, aswell some individual s.a. countries. Italy would be too if not for their financial problems. Holland, Belgium, etc.

We will soon run out of our english back bone. Lamps, Cole gone, Terry soon. And the fact that we cant get anyone is because other club talents/seniors they are simply shit, while academy players never get proper run-in here. Thats one big fucking problem if you ask me.

That's a club level failure in that over the past 10-12 years, we've been guilty of buying the finished article over our own development of players. Over the next 2 years that transition will begin as we get rid of 'dead wood', eg Mikel, Schurrle (gone), Torres (g). I fully expect RLC and Ake (yes, he's not English but he IS homegrown) and Brown and especially Bamford to be featuring fairly regularly from next season. Drogs will probably be retiring, Remy will probably leave, Ivanovic's lifespan as an RB at least must surely be coming to an end, and 2 of our wingers have already departed - 1 of those places are to my knowlege still unoccupied.

Kalas should probably be here too.

The fact is that the FA has allowed football to rot here for the last 30 years; clubs cannot be blamed for that.

[lionsden 4,689]

If Kane is just a one season wonder (only time will tell) What a season he's having. If he continues this form, Sturridge's place in the NT must be under threat. Wellbeck is untouchable in Hogdson's team given his record

[xPetrCechx 13,565]

Same avatar picture but not the same person

The same person...

[dUMB 189]

spurs are better in the 2nd half, and Ospina shows that he's a great goalkeeper.

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

Wenger would never park the buss.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Kane is legit

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

Fuck me, a final vs this Spurs side isnt going to be funny...

[LAB 1,030]

what a header

[The Skipper 20,593]

I can't even hate on Harry Kane anymore. Wow.

Pochettino is doing a great job after a slow start.

[LAB 1,030]

Pathetic display Arsenal. And to think that last night a fan of theirs said to me that it was disgusting that we parked it vs City after all the known circumstances.... Wenger got it so badly wrong today.

And the surprising thing about Spurs is mostly their midfield. Pochettino made it work nicely.

[Pizy 18,525]

Look at Spurs' goal difference compared to everyone around them.