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Yeah, he's on 28 goals, if he gets 2 more he'll be joint 6th in the all time scorers for England. Wonder where Gerard is down that list...

I guess he will equal Shearer, or surpass him, in his 100th England cap. That would be typical of his.

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They won the Euro and the World Cup with Torres not being a key player.

Torres was still part of it and he did scored that winner against Germany in the 2008 Euro ? Not to mention his brace against Ireland in the group match of 2012 Euro and a goal in the final against Italy, doesnt matter if the game was already won , he even got the golden boot :P

Anyway , I've seen Torres with the Spain national team for moons and it just looks odd when he's not playing .

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Torres was still part of it and he did scored that winner against Germany in the 2008 Euro ? Not to mention his brace against Ireland in the group match of 2012 Euro and a goal in the final against Italy, doesnt matter if the game was already won , he even got the golden boot :P

Anyway , I've seen Torres with the Spain national team for moons and it just looks odd when he's not playing .

He played well in 2008, but that's 5 years ago. His presence didn't matter at all for Spain in the last two tournaments.

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He played well in 2008, but that's 5 years ago. His presence didn't matter at all for Spain in the last two tournaments.

He was injured in the major part of the worldcup but he did played his part in the final mate, I mean he was involved in the build up of that Iniesta' goal.

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He was injured in the major part of the worldcup but he did played his part in the final mate, I mean he was involved in the build up of that Iniesta' goal.

It's true, but Villa started over him. Torres had 0 goals, 0 assists and didn't start either the final or semi-final. He was a bit player for them. My point is simply that Spain have been able to have success without Torres.

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Czechs are losing to Denmark 0-3. Poor Cech, couldn't do anything with those goals. The defence didn't really help. He made two great saves but he couldn't do more.

Edit - three great saves now

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He was injured in the major part of the worldcup but he did played his part in the final mate, I mean he was involved in the build up of that Iniesta' goal.

Still Torres has not done anything of value since january 2011 and has been declining since 2010.

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Can't wait till the day VDB finally realizes that he can't beat every team that are parking the bus starting 5 fucking midfielders on the pitch and absolutely no width.

So fucking Ridiculous the amount of love Torres still gets. No matter how shit he is, apparently failing against a one on one against Contento and falling on his arse to win us the corner for Drogba's goal, and his piss poor excuse of a cross that hit a defender and landed on Cesc's feet is apparently 'involved' and 'contributed' to the goal.

:doh:

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