Ramires

[Spike 12,049]

I would like to see The Hammer hammer in some more goals.

[capriccioso 2,545]

I worry about Ramires. I think he's not got too long left to go in his career. He isn't the best technically, so his value to us is purely that he can run all day, and he can do that at freakishly fast speed. He's only one bad injury or 5-6 years away from declining rapidly a la Essien. Essien is more refined than Ramires who is raw, but even his career looks over at just 30.

[Jase 43,479]

I worry about Ramires. I think he's not got too long left to go in his career. He isn't the best technically, so his value to us is purely that he can run all day, and he can do that at freakishly fast speed. He's only one bad injury or 5-6 years away from declining rapidly a la Essien. Essien is more refined than Ramires who is raw, but even his career looks over at just 30.

Erm, what?? Think you are overstating things here a bit cap.

[capriccioso 2,545]

It's born of fear more than anything, especially looking at Essien's remarkable swandive. It's been 18-24 months since he was the best midfielder in the world. Now he could play in Australia and still probably not be the best midfielder.

[Jase 43,479]

It's born of fear more than anything, especially looking at Essien's remarkable swandive. It's been 18-24 months since he was the best midfielder in the world. Now he could play in Australia and still probably not be the best midfielder.

As long as he doesn't get continuous injuries like Essien have(ACL in particular), he should be alright. Furthermore, it's hard for us to see him at his best now and flourish in the central midfield position when he's being played out wide under RDM.

[Jase 43,479]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/16/ramires-chelsea-midfielder-energy

Excellent article as always by Zonal Marking's Michael Cox.

[Kojo 4,676]

I worry about Ramires. I think he's not got too long left to go in his career. He isn't the best technically, so his value to us is purely that he can run all day, and he can do that at freakishly fast speed. He's only one bad injury or 5-6 years away from declining rapidly a la Essien. Essien is more refined than Ramires who is raw, but even his career looks over at just 30.

To be honest i think we should sell him. He was also awful against Spurs for me, all he could do is work hard. Yes he scored, but that's the only thing he showed from his technical abillity, besides that he was awful. We got 2 clean chances where he could of squared them in right away, and he fucked them up, he has no technical skills at all. I think we should sell him because he gets rated highly and maybe just maybe we can get quite a bit of money for him. It would really benefit us and we can buy a better player.

[capriccioso 2,545]

To be honest i think we should sell him. He was also awful against Spurs for me, all he could do is work hard. Yes he scored, but that's the only thing he showed from his technical abillity, besides that he was awful. We got 2 clean chances where he could of squared them in right away, and he fucked them up, he has no technical skills at all. I think we should sell him because he gets rated highly and maybe just maybe we can get quite a bit of money for him. It would really benefit us and we can buy a better player.

No way should we sell him at this age. He is the perfect industrious midfielder, he gives us so much drive and energy. As far as physical specimens go, there's not many midfielders in the world Ramires can't run into the ground. It can't be that hard for him to improve technically, can it? I think he can be an excellent midfielder if he just keeps his technical game simple- short, simple passes to more technically refined players, etc.

But I still fear his career will peter out in his early 30s. Everyone starts to lose some of their physical attributes then; he'll maintain the stamina until he's 45 I reckon but he'll lose the pace. We've got to do a Wenger and sell him exactly at the point when he starts to decline, if we are to sell him at all. I still think he hasn't got a Lampard/Terry/Drogba style longevity to offer to the club. He's 25 now, that gives us 6 more years of top service, perhaps 8, and then he'll be done I think if he can't improve his technique.

[Kojo 4,676]

No way should we sell him at this age. He is the perfect industrious midfielder, he gives us so much drive and energy. As far as physical specimens go, there's not many midfielders in the world Ramires can't run into the ground. It can't be that hard for him to improve technically, can it? I think he can be an excellent midfielder if he just keeps his technical game simple- short, simple passes to more technically refined players, etc.

But I still fear his career will peter out in his early 30s. Everyone starts to lose some of their physical attributes then; he'll maintain the stamina until he's 45 I reckon but he'll lose the pace. We've got to do a Wenger and sell him exactly at the point when he starts to decline, if we are to sell him at all. I still think he hasn't got a Lampard/Terry/Drogba style longevity to offer to the club. He's 25 now, that gives us 6 more years of top service, perhaps 8, and then he'll be done I think if he can't improve his technique.

If we get Tiote, who is great phsyically at strength and pace, then we need someone better technically. We need a good technical player in midfield, Justin thinks Javi Martinez would be good, i haven't seen enough of him to be fair, but a player of his style who is good i would love in our team. I think we can get money for Ramires and we must take it now.

[capriccioso 2,545]

Tbf, we can get money for him at any time. At this point he's amongst the best at what he does, its too early to consider getting rid of him- particularly as it'll be a stretch for us to earn much more than what we paid. Hard running midfielders don't often fetch 17 million let alone 20+, we paid over the odds for him.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I think Cap's point is that Ramires' game is based on his dynamism and energy. Without that's he's a distinctly average player.

[Joker10 946]

Anybody else prefers him on the the wing then midfield?

I believe RDM has done it right by playing him on the wings rather then midfield.

[Kojo 4,676]

Tbf, we can get money for him at any time. At this point he's amongst the best at what he does, its too early to consider getting rid of him- particularly as it'll be a stretch for us to earn much more than what we paid. Hard running midfielders don't often fetch 17 million let alone 20+, we paid over the odds for him.

Financial Fair Play

Remember this!, we need money, and getting rid of Ramires where he's looking good because he's standing out in a shit team will be a big benefit for us, get rid of him now get money in now. It will be a huge benefit getting rid of him because we can get a much better player than him for the money we could get for him. We need technical better players. We can get a fast player, obviously ramires has a gift at being fast and having huge stamina, but we don't need anything wow with pace. We can get Tiote then go get a great technical player, cause that's what we need.

We have been put in a really hard position because of the board and the sacking of managers, it's our punishment.

I think our biggest benefit is Mata (if he stays), we can build a team around him, and get some good players for cheap around him, we still need a spine but it wont cost so heavy. But Mata can be the magic man and make our team click. Getting rid of Ramires will benefit that hugely, because in my opinion he wont help us long term. We cannot just keep him for the sake of because we've just got him and he's getting better, we need to be realists here and accept the fact we can get better players with the money we can get out of him.

[Kieran. 6,317]

I agree with Sloth, as much as it hurts to say. I love Ramires, but his points are very valid.

[Swedish House Mafia 508]

It's born of fear more than anything, especially looking at Essien's remarkable swandive. It's been 18-24 months since he was the best midfielder in the world. Now he could play in Australia and still probably not be the best midfielder.