🇧🇷 Ramires

[Peace. 4,352]

His passion and good-will cannot be challenged, that's certain. He is really a hard worker and give his heart out. Sometimes, he is even able of flash of brilliance (his goal against ManCity at the Bridge in his first season, and his goal against Barça).

Although, his decision making and technique (especially his first touch and his shooting) are very questionnable. That's really not good enough. Ideally, he really hasn't got his spot in the starting eleven.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

We have the wrong players for the double pivot, in a 4-3-3 Ramires would be a god-send. Mikel is the only midfielder who can adequately play in a double pivot.

[Zone 290]

I fucking love this guy.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

The formation does not suite him but he definitely a remarkable player that would be a huge asset for any team. He is just so different, unlike any other player I've ever seen. What he lacks in terms of "traditional" technical abilities he more than makes up for in physical attributes. His ability to deliver at full speed after one of his trademark runs is unbelievable.

[Korea 734]

I would not be surprised if he got axed from Brazil starting 11 soon, since they realized his technically ability is so bad.

However, Ramires, is a player you want on your team. He wins balls and isn't afraid to challenge (probably the most amount of could of yellow cards, lol) He has amazing pace, stamina and his finishing is good.

[The only place to be 11,313]

The formation does not suite him but he definitely a remarkable player that would be a huge asset for any team. He is just so different, unlike any other player I've ever seen. What he lacks in terms of "traditional" technical abilities he more than makes up for in physical attributes. His ability to deliver at full speed after one of his trademark runs is unbelievable.

Don't we need someone with 'traditional technical abilities' if we're looking to dominate games? He performs best in games where we're under-pressure and looking to counter (Barcelona last year, Arsenal this year) but in games where we have the ball for long stretches and teams defend deep he simply looks like a headless chicken.

He's a poor facsimile of Essien who compared physical strength and endurance with good technical skills and he's been one of the reasons we've struggled in games this year. He needs replacing ASAP if we're looking to win titles although he may well have a position on the bench when we need someone to close down teams or play on the counter.

Nice guy but not good enough for any team with aspirations of success (and I include Brazil in that).

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Don't we need someone with 'traditional technical abilities' if we're looking to dominate games? He performs best in games where we're under-pressure and looking to counter (Barcelona last year, Arsenal this year) but in games where we have the ball for long stretches and teams defend deep he simply looks like a headless chicken.

He's a poor facsimile of Essien who compared physical strength and endurance with good technical skills and he's been one of the reasons we've struggled in games this year. He needs replacing ASAP if we're looking to win titles although he may well have a position on the bench when we need someone to close down teams or play on the counter.

Nice guy but not good enough for any team with aspirations of success (and I include Brazil in that).

Obviously you need technically gifted players to win games but he's not the only player on the field. Ramires brings something different, gives opposition players something new to think about. His pacy runs are his best offensive assets so he naturally enjoys playing in games with space. I don't think he's comparable to any other player. Essien obviously was the perfect central midfielder, one of the best in the history of this league, but even he could not deliver as well as Rami at the end of runs.

How is he not good enough for teams with aspirations? We couldn't have won the CL last year without him, especially against Barcelona.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Obviously you need technically gifted players to win games but he's not the only player on the field. Ramires brings something different, gives opposition players something new to think about. His pacy runs are his best offensive assets so he naturally enjoys playing in games with space. I don't think he's comparable to any other player. Essien obviously was the perfect central midfielder, one of the best in the history of this league, but even he could not deliver as well as Rami at the end of runs.

How is not good enough for teams with aspirations? We couldn't have won the CL last year without him, especially against Barcelona.

We won the CL with a large dose of luck. You can't rely on those tactics to win every time and I don't think any club would aspire to. We essentially said to Barca that we would allow them the ball and force them to beat us, which is massively risky. With our backs against the wall, his driving runs allowed us to break from defence to attack quickly and take advantage of Barca committing players forward.

But if you plan on being a top team, you can't do that for 60+ games a season. How many times a year do you anticipate us playing with those types of tactics going forward? Half-a-dozen maybe?

I'd much rather we build a team which aspires to control games and the one word you don't think of when you consider Ramires is 'control'. Thinking of the type of squad we'll have next season (if things go according to plan) I don't see where he fits in.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

We won the CL with a large dose of luck. You can't rely on those tactics to win every time and I don't think any club would aspire to. We essentially said to Barca that we would allow them the ball and force them to beat us, which is massively risky. With our backs against the wall, his driving runs allowed us to break from defence to attack quickly and take advantage of Barca committing players forward.

But if you plan on being a top team, you can't do that for 60+ games a season. How many times a year do you anticipate us playing with those types of tactics going forward? Half-a-dozen maybe?

I'd much rather we build a team which aspires to control games and the one word you don't think of when you consider Ramires is 'control'. Thinking of the type of squad we'll have next season (if things go according to plan) I don't see where he fits in.

I was only giving an example but in no way does Ramires only play well in those types of games. I distinctly remember him being one of our best players in games we completely dominated like against Arsenal, Villa..etc

But I do agree that he is not at his best against teams who put the whole team behind the ball.

[BleedsBlue 1,549]

He's a terrific player and should not leave the club.End of discussion.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I was only giving an example but in no way does Ramires only play well in those types of games. I distinctly remember him being one of our best players in games we completely dominated like against Arsenal, Villa..etc

But I do agree that he is not at his best against teams who put the whole team behind the ball.

Are you talking about the recent Arsenal home game where we defended with our backs to the wall for almost the entire second-half??

That's exactly the type of game he thrives in and I said at the time that the midfield two of him and Lamps was the root of our problems. They failed to control the game.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Are you talking about the recent Arsenal home game where we defended with our backs to the wall for almost the entire second-half??

That's exactly the type of game he thrives in and I said at the time that the midfield two of him and Lamps was the root of our problems. They failed to control the game.

And he was our best player in the first half when we dominated the game completely. Part of the problem was that neither of them is holding midfielder and the bigger part is that Rafa set the block too low from the start of the second half and invited pressure on us.

[Special Juan 28,141]

He's a terrific player and should not leave the club.End of discussion.

Will it's not end of discussion as other people will have a different view from you.

[English Freak 456]

Are you talking about the recent Arsenal home game where we defended with our backs to the wall for almost the entire second-half??

That's exactly the type of game he thrives in and I said at the time that the midfield two of him and Lamps was the root of our problems. They failed to control the game.

Ramires will thrive in a 3 man midfield..he's just not suited for a 2 man midfield.

I would love to see a combination of KDB - Mikel - Ramires with Mata & Hazard supporting Ba/someone else upfront.

[themightyblue 443]

He'll prove people wrong eventually like what always happens when a player gets needlessly written off

[Kinol 337]

He'll prove people wrong eventually like what always happens when a player gets needlessly written off

Like Torres?

[themightyblue 443]

I also find it how funny how Ramires is getting written off when he has become one of our big game players. Both Arsenal games, Spurs away, United at home he's been one of the best players on the pitch and not much is said and commented on. Yet after a game where he makes a few misplaced passes and still plays well the criticism comes in, when there were worse players on the pitch (Mata i'm looking at you) and nothing is said

[themightyblue 443]

Like Torres?

Torres was written off for a good reason. Not needlessly

[The only place to be 11,313]

Not good enough.

Not good enough on the right.

Not good enough down the middle.

[Term-X 7,891]

A Chelsea side that CAN challenge for the title will not include Ramires in the starting 11