🇧🇷 Ramires

[Svita 10 186]

Still don´t know what i should thinking about him. His work-rate is amazing, no doubt it, speed and stamina too. But passing and when is on the ball in the final third...I always got angry

[communicate 2,703]

Just surprised with all the criticisms that Ramires received. For me he has been absolutely fantastic, he need to keep changing role from anchor while playing with lamp to back to box to box while playing with mikel.

He provide us with that energy from midfield and his mobility provide us extra edge defensively. Just look at City without Fernandinho.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Just surprised with all the criticisms that Ramires received. For me he has been absolutely fantastic, he need to keep changing role from anchor while playing with lamp to back to box to box while playing with mikel.

He provide us with that energy from midfield and his mobility provide us extra edge defensively. Just look at City without Fernandinho.

You and every pundit, analyst, and former player out there. It's some fans who want him to score on every chance he gets, even though our strikers don't seem to.

Had a good game and his movement created lots of problems to city. Didn't Iva score from a ramires rebound?!

It's a team game after all.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

Before Matic, we wanted someone to partner Ramires and now that Magic has arrived, we suddenly want someone else to replace Ramires.

Still or best CM right now.

[The Chels 2,502]

Hmm thought he was (once again) very poor. Gave the ball away so very often breaking down many attacks, wasn't decisive or quick enough in making decisions, made his typically wreckless challenges, was easily shoulder barged off the ball and was unable to get the ball past a player... Once again he showed how limited he was technically and how much he lacks a footballing brain. I really don't think he's good enough to be playing at this level. He's not a bad option for a counter attacking system, but is pretty damn shit for possession based football which is the type we're forced to play in the majority of BPL games. I feel a better CM partnering Matic would take us to the next level. Luiz, who is pretty decent there, evidenced that and showed what a proper pivot could look like.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

He is good enough to start imo, but if Pogba will be available in the future and we will do the homework by bringing striker and LB and there will be some money left, we should get him.

But right now, Rambo still has place in pivot, he did great till january, maybe he needs rest or just a kick from Jose to keep working hard.

[Strike 7,489]

he had a decent first half of the season but mainly as DM alongside Lampard who was the more attack minded. with Matic in now, I don't think Rami will be a sure starter anymore

[Excalibur KTBFFH 109]

Another absolutely shocking performance. Not good enough. No effort, nothing. Did he sip on some bottles of alcohol before he played today? He's been a disaster for months now.

[Cech's helmet 220]

Always thought he was a terrible footballer technically but an unbelievable athlete. hate saying this, but he's frustrating to watch with the ball in his feet. terrible passer with an awful first touch but Mourinho loves him and I can understand why. I'd have Matic any day of the week ahead of him.

[zolayes 14,489]

thought he was poor tonight ,, not up to last seasons form

[The Chels 2,502]

I remember rumours in the summer saying that Real Madrid were interested in Ramires... LMAO, no way would they want such a terrible footballer. Imagine Ramires trying to displace Modric in the first eleven

[The only place to be 11,313]

Runs and runs and runs and runs, but the lack of a consistent, quality touch will always let him down.

What might save him from being sold is his versatility and stamina, but I'd prefer a more composed presence in the pivot so that we can control games better.

[Rapkun 668]

I'm more comfortable with him playing on the wing than on the CM tbh. We already have issues breaking down the opposition's defense and if you add to that Rami's awful ball control/passes it never ends.

Also today I feel he should have tried to offer more passing option to the CBs rather than running forward.

[oman43 45]

Always thought he was a terrible footballer technically but an unbelievable athlete. hate saying this, but he's frustrating to watch with the ball in his feet. terrible passer with an awful first touch but Mourinho loves him and I can understand why. I'd have Matic any day of the week ahead of him.

Unbelievable athlete you got right, that has significant benefits in a football match! You make out he literally cannot receive a ball. Lets not forget this player can play (his goal against, oh yer Barcelona, which undoubtedly made our Champo League success possible? his beautiful Brazil style goal? Why not integrate both him and Matic. Also in a team you need balance. Ramires is your work horse, leave the step overs to Hazard and Willian. The last thing you want is identical players in the mid!!! Don't be hasty.

[zolayes 14,489]

what he offered last year was 90 minutes of continual high energy play ,,, now Willian gives that with a little better control ..

[Barbara 15,149]

his situation is very similar to Mata in the last two years. When we had a dire AM for years, Mata arrived and it seemed like the second coming. Rami looked absolutely amazing in the terrible pivot we've had for so many years. Now we have some class and a technical player at Matic and he makes Rami look really, really, really poor.

Yes, there's the stamina, the pace, even the tackles, and all those things are good, but they're not enough, simple as that.

Has he scored some important goals? For sure, to which I'm very thankful. Did he carry our pivot for a while? Yes, he did. Doesn't change the fact he is very poor technically and a very frustrating player...

Now we have Matic we should be raising our stakes. We have pace in Salah and André, we don't need to keep Ramires simply because of his versatility playing as a RW, but Mourinho won't give up on a player like him... unfortunately. I've never been a fan of his, but his good doings for us in the last couple of seasons made me forget how I used to dislike him... now he seems to remember me of that every match (even though I haven't watch today's and don't plan to)

I wish we had a better partner for Matic. We needed someone that was like Lamps on his best days. That's the perfect partner for Matic as he (Matic) can hold himself in the DM position well enough. Either we get a new Lamps or we get a more defensive midfielder and morph Matic in a new Lamps. Either way, the time has come when Ramires shouldn't be more than a squad player in this team and we should accept offers for him if they come (and they're good). Having Matic but not having someone as good to be his partner only attenuates the problem. Matic is a HUGE improvement to our pivot(infinitely more than Rami was when he settled - let's not forget it took him almost two seasons to settle), but to capitalize everything he can bring to us, we should get him a better partner. Maybe van Ginkel could be the one - for the future. Haven't seen enough of Marco to say it. I just wish we had someone better than Ramires...

I agree with everyone who's said he wouldn't be a starting player in any top-class team in the world. Why should we accept it then? It has nothing to do with ungratefulness - people tend to relate you wanting an improvement with not respecting the past and services done by a player - but this is about us being in a new level now and therefore requiring a better pivot. We won't make it to the next level of competitiveness with the best in Europe with Ramires as our indisputable midfielder... it makes no sense

[lionsden 4,689]

what he offered last year was 90 minutes of continual high energy play ,,, now Willian gives that with a little better control ..

Little?. I'm sure you meant much much better control as he's the second most technically gifted player in our squad just behind Hazard.

[oman43 45]

his situation is very similar to Mata in the last two years. When we had a dire AM for years, Mata arrived and it seemed like the second coming. Rami looked absolutely amazing in the terrible pivot we've had for so many years. Now we have some class and a technical player at Matic and he makes Rami look really, really, really poor.

Yes, there's the stamina, the pace, even the tackles, and all those things are good, but they're not enough, simple as that.

Has he scored some important goals? For sure, to which I'm very thankful. Did he carry our pivot for a while? Yes, he did. Doesn't change the fact he is very poor technically and a very frustrating player...

Now we have Matic we should be raising our stakes. We have pace in Salah and André, we don't need to keep Ramires simply because of his versatility playing as a RW, but Mourinho won't give up on a player like him... unfortunately. I've never been a fan of his, but his good doings for us in the last couple of seasons made me forget how I used to dislike him... now he seems to remember me of that every match (even though I haven't watch today's and don't plan to)

I wish we had a better partner for Matic. We needed someone that was like Lamps on his best days. That's the perfect partner for Matic as he (Matic) can hold himself in the DM position well enough. Either we get a new Lamps or we get a more defensive midfielder and morph Matic in a new Lamps. Either way, the time has come when Ramires shouldn't be more than a squad player in this team and we should accept offers for him if they come (and they're good). Having Matic but not having someone as good to be his partner only attenuates the problem. Matic is a HUGE improvement to our Ramires (infinitely better than Rami was when he settled - let's not forget it took him almost two seasons to settle), but to capitalize everything he can bring to us, we should get him a better partner. Maybe van Ginkel could be the one - for the future. Haven't seen enough of Marco to say it. I just wish we had someone better than Ramires...

I agree with everyone who's said he wouldn't be a starting player in any top-class team in the world. Why should we accept it then? It has nothing to do with ungratefulness - people tend to relate you wanting an improvement with not respecting the past and services done by a player - but with us being in a new level now and therefore requiring a better pivot. We won't make it to the next level of competitiveness with the best in Europe with Ramires as our indisputable midfielder... it makes no sense

We obviously have different views, look at my favourite player lol. But that isn't a bad thing, its the point of these forums. I see Matic and Rammy as different players to be honest, you seem to think now Matic has come Ramires' vulnerabilities are shown. Well OK I agree to some extent but look at it in a different light. What Ramires can do which Matic can't? Run box to box for 90 or even 120 minutes, score goals (yes we obviously havent had time to see Matic) etc. Why after literally ONE game is everyone criticising Ramires? we lost not because of him, but for many reasons. Don't be rash in your judgement.

[Barbara 15,149]

We obviously have different views, look at my favourite player lol. But that isn't a bad thing, its the point of these forums. I see Matic and Rammy as different players to be honest, you seem to think now Matic has come Ramires' vulnerabilities are shown. Well OK I agree to some extent but look at it in a different light. What Ramires can do which Matic can't? Run box to box for 90 or even 120 minutes, score goals (yes we obviously havent had time to see Matic) etc. Why after literally ONE game is everyone criticising Ramires? we lost not because of him, but for many reasons. Don't be rash in your judgement.

No, I've been criticizing him for a while. Check match threads. He's had a great start of season for us. But he's poor... a great athlete as some qualified, but technically he's poor. For the things we'll be aiming in the future he isn't enough. For the Chelsea of the past years and even the present Chelsea he's enough, but not really for the future. That's my point. Matic exposes how bad our pivot has been (all of it, not only Rami and Rami's been our best midfielder in the past couple of years) and that if we could improve it, we'd be much more competitive. It's all about where the stakes are and I think they'll be higher next season. If Mourinho wants us to be the very fave in the league and real contenders in UCL, then we need to give Matic a better partner.

[oman43 45]

No, I've been criticizing him for a while. Check match threads. He's had a great start of season for us. But he's poor... a great athlete as some qualified, but technically he's poor. For the things we'll be aiming in the future he isn't enough. For the Chelsea of the past years and even the present Chelsea he's enough, but not really for the future. That's my point. Matic exposes how bad our pivot has been (all of it, not only Rami and Rami's been our best midfielder in the past couple of years) and that if we could improve it, we'd be much more competitive. It's all about where the stakes are and I think they'll be higher next season. If Mourinho wants us to be the very fave in the league and real contenders in UCL, then we need to give Matic a better partner.

Fair points. Your giving Matic a lot of responsibility (building the team on him in a way) considering we haven't seen a lot of him since his return!!!??? (He has looked the real deal don't get me wrong.) You talk of a young team building for the future, well ramires is 26, hardly incapable of learning/adapting? Like I have said on other threads, you need a combination of qualities in a team, hard workers/ goal scorers / flashy players. Ramires gives the team what JM wants. He'll never be the best player in the team, doesn't mean he isn't useful!