Chelsea 1-1 Liverpool

[Magic Lamps 11,677]

2 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Does he have lots of potential? maybe, but I'd not say showing quality in a league like Ukraine means a whole lot. I've seen a lot of lesser players do that. He's turning 23 next Jan, so he should be playing better for his age in my view.

honestly, I couldn't care less about his potential. We already have too many young players in the starting XI. We need players who can *help* these younger players develop right now! I'd be totally for giving Mudryk more minutes, but he simply does not seem employable atm. Perhaps that's why he's not getting minutes to begin with?

Don't you think he goes to the ground a little too easy for the PL?

Of all the mad transfers we recently had, Mudders is possibly the craziest. 100m for a kid from Ukrainian league with a handful of decent CL showings. There has to be some kind of deal with Ukraine government that the fee was paid in some kind of Abrams tank coupons. Superior , proven wingers like a Harvey Barnes or mousse diaby changed clubs for half that money and instantly made an impact. Mudryk is comparatively so immature, uncomposed and hectic. He is like an immensely talented 17 yo but he is already 22. He has very little time left to adjust to this league.

[NikkiCFC 8,066]

16 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Of all the mad transfers we recently had, Mudders is possibly the craziest. 100m for a kid from Ukrainian league with a handful of decent CL showings. There has to be some kind of deal with Ukraine government that the fee was paid in some kind of Abrams tank coupons. Superior , proven wingers like a Harvey Barnes or mousse diaby changed clubs for half that money and instantly made an impact. Mudryk is comparatively so immature, uncomposed and hectic. He is like an immensely talented 17 yo but he is already 22. He has very little time left to adjust to this league.

We paid 62m pounds for him. With add ones possibly 88m in the end. And if he reach these we not gonna regret it anyway.

[Vesper 29,145]

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[cosmicway 1,333]

In Ukraine - Greece - Romania ... the pace of football is slow.
So it turns out players who are legends over there cannot really make it in the premier.
There may have been exceptions but it's an old story and it is the case with Mudryk I 'm afraid.

[James 5,219]

   
 

[Bluepower777 17]

Gallagher was outstanding, he covered, tackled and laid off the ball all over the field. Thank God we didn't sell or loan him off.

[Seymop 90]

Normally I would say the result is everything, but yesterday the performance meant more than the result. For the first time in a long while we moved the ball forward quickly, we gave our centre forward a chance by getting him the ball early and we chased and never let Liverpool settle.  At times we actually looked like a team !!! Best Premiership display for a long while — not the finished article but real reasons for Hope !!!

[Mhsc 932]

No DM is going to fix Liverpool based on yesterday, tactically Klopp looks like a dinosaur now with the progression that has happened in the last couple of years in the league in terms of the standards for tactics / strategy from managers, he is still trying to flog the same compact 4-3-3 he's played since forever with the only modernisation I could see was an attempt for Trent to play inverted. Salah's ridiculous level is the only thing holding the system (almost) together.

Was very noticeable how they could barely get their famous press going at all for most of the game, because strategically we made it almost impossible to do effectively.

[Hamilton 2,120]

 

[Da Herbsman 21]

I'm pleased with the way we played. One really standout change from Tuchel (I don't want to waste my time comparing Lampard and Potter) was our transition. The moment we picked the ball, we went on the offensive. That is key to breaking down a good team in modern football. Under Tuchel, we used to take a deep breath and allow the opposition to regroup, which used to push me to the brink of mental calamity. 

Transition is so important that if Tuchel doesn't address it, amongst his other deficits, he won't last this season at Bayern. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

25 minutes ago, Da Herbsman said:

I'm pleased with the way we played. One really standout change from Tuchel (I don't want to waste my time comparing Lampard and Potter) was our transition. The moment we picked the ball, we went on the offensive. That is key to breaking down a good team in modern football. Under Tuchel, we used to take a deep breath and allow the opposition to regroup, which used to push me to the brink of mental calamity. 

Transition is so important that if Tuchel doesn't address it, amongst his other deficits, he won't last this season at Bayern. 

Lampard used to do that, also Tuchel.
Yesterday we played well - like against Dortmund in Germany if we compare with recent Chelsea matches.
But just like then we could not find the net.

[LAM09 6,824]

All things considered, we probably should have walked away from the match with all three points. 

Enzo was immense, and despite Gallagher's obvious flaws, he put in a good performance for the most part.

[Mhsc 932]

8 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

All things considered, we probably should have walked away from the match with all three points. 

Enzo was immense, and despite Gallagher's obvious flaws, he put in a good performance for the most part.

Just not got enough killers at the moment, NJ basically our only goal threat in the forward line - Sterling & Carney his support... Without Nkunku we just do not have enough goals in the forward lineup.

Enzo, Caicedo, Sterling and Carney have not got a goal in them - Sterling had a few in him in the old days, but he's washed. Nicolas Jackson and our defenders basically have to carry the goal output burden, unless some of our other forwards step up (Mudryk) or we sign someone.

[LAM09 6,824]

27 minutes ago, Mhsc said:

Just not got enough killers at the moment, NJ basically our only goal threat in the forward line - Sterling & Carney his support... Without Nkunku we just do not have enough goals in the forward lineup.

Enzo, Caicedo, Sterling and Carney have not got a goal in them - Sterling had a few in him in the old days, but he's washed. Nicolas Jackson and our defenders basically have to carry the goal output burden, unless some of our other forwards step up (Mudryk) or we sign someone.

I agree. Jackson had a great chance later on in the first half that should have given us the lead, but our setup was too reliant on him leading the line on his own. Mudryk's introduction gave him the support he needed for large parts, and it almost resulted in the former scoring his first league goal.

I'd like to think another central attacker will be joining as a result of Nkunku's layoff. 

[Da Herbsman 21]

5 hours ago, Mhsc said:

Just not got enough killers at the moment, NJ basically our only goal threat in the forward line - Sterling & Carney his support... Without Nkunku we just do not have enough goals in the forward lineup.

Enzo, Caicedo, Sterling and Carney have not got a goal in them - Sterling had a few in him in the old days, but he's washed. Nicolas Jackson and our defenders basically have to carry the goal output burden, unless some of our other forwards step up (Mudryk) or we sign someone.

A bit unfair and a bit premature to conclude that the current forwards can't score a goal. They have had a few weeks to train as a team during which they probably spent more time leaning the fundamentals of how Poch wants them to play.

I don't know of a striker who arrives at a new club with a bag full of goals. Whoever we sign will have to start with the system first. Goals are created by the team, ultimately.

Yesterday, Jackson should have hit the target with that cross. But that was only one miss. If he misses a second,  a third and maybe a fourth like that, perhaps we can start to question his goalscoring. 

[Vesper 29,145]

14 hours ago, Bluepower777 said:

Gallagher was outstanding, he covered, tackled and laid off the ball all over the field. Thank God we didn't sell or loan him off.

if we get offered £50m or more, buh-bye I say

[Mhsc 932]

1 hour ago, Da Herbsman said:

A bit unfair and a bit premature to conclude that the current forwards can't score a goal. They have had a few weeks to train as a team during which they probably spent more time leaning the fundamentals of how Poch wants them to play.

I don't know of a striker who arrives at a new club with a bag full of goals. Whoever we sign will have to start with the system first. Goals are created by the team, ultimately.

Yesterday, Jackson should have hit the target with that cross. But that was only one miss. If he misses a second,  a third and maybe a fourth like that, perhaps we can start to question his goalscoring. 

 

In my post I literally said he’s the only one that’s a serious goal threat, I’m not questioning him at all I think he’s amazing and going to do great for us. It’s just not fair to put all the burden on him which with Nkunku out it mostly is now.