Welcome Mauricio Pochettino

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8 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Possession style? Pochetino has always used a very direct style with high pressing esp at Spurs. 🤷‍♂️

I know, but do you think we play the way Poch used to play at Tottenham?

That is precisely what is my criticism, that we signed players for counter-attack and direct football but instead we hug the ball within the team without doing anything constructive while the opponents just lie low and wait for us..

[Reddish-Blue 2,489]

9 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Possession style? Pochetino has always used a very direct style with high pressing esp at Spurs. 🤷‍♂️

I haven't seen this high pressing style on a consistent basis at Chelsea.    Seems like the players are more content with keeping the ball than trying to create that moment of magic which could lead to a goal. 

Not sure if that is down to players not really understanding his instructions or whether they are just too young and need that senior midfielder (let's say for examples sake Fabregas/Jorginho/Lampard) to calm them down and coach them on the field. 

Like if you see Arsenal getting Declan Rice, he's got multiple seasons of PL football under his belt and he can read the situation very well.   That was my one concern with going all out for both Caicedo & Lavia, you bring in two players who are green and they're somehow supposed to be starting XI midfielders. 

The people in charge definitely missed a trick by not going for that 25-28 year old midfielder to help out Enzo and the other young mids at the club.  Losing the experience of Jorginho/Kante/Kovacic in consecutive windows was always going to hurt....but I didn't realise that we would go from hovering around top 6 to being uncompetitive in games and dragging ourselves to 10th place. 

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6 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

I haven't seen this high pressing style on a consistent basis at Chelsea.    Seems like the players are more content with keeping the ball than trying to create that moment of magic which could lead to a goal. 

Not sure if that is down to players not really understanding his instructions or whether they are just too young and need that senior midfielder (let's say for examples sake Fabregas/Jorginho/Lampard) to calm them down and coach them on the field. 

3rd option: players simply aren't good enough; perhaps some don't (yet?) possess the quality or characteristics to execute the footballing tasks asks of them.

High press with Jackson, Mudryk, and Palmer? 😆 They don't have the aggression and intensity needed for that. IMO that's why he tried Chilwell as left wing and we all know how this forum reacted to that.

Edited December 13, 2023 by robsblubot

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

6 hours ago, robsblubot said:

3rd option: players simply aren't good enough; perhaps some don't (yet?) possess the quality or characteristics to execute the footballing tasks asks of them.

High press with Jackson, Mudryk, and Palmer? 😆 They don't have the aggression and intensity needed for that. IMO that's why he tried Chilwell as left wing and we all know how this forum reacted to that.

Regardless if the players are or aren’t good enough now, having spunked £1bn on them, the ownership is going to give the players much more time as opposed to Poch if it comes down to it.

13 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

I haven't seen this high pressing style on a consistent basis at Chelsea.    Seems like the players are more content with keeping the ball than trying to create that moment of magic which could lead to a goal. 

Not sure if that is down to players not really understanding his instructions or whether they are just too young and need that senior midfielder (let's say for examples sake Fabregas/Jorginho/Lampard) to calm them down and coach them on the field. 

I will be honest, this lack of high pressing was also something that Pochettino and his reputation seemed to get around at PSG. I mean how could anyone say they were a high pressing team when Messi, Neymar and Mbappe stood around doing fuck all/half arsing it out of possession?

I get the same feeling again that he isn’t actually trying to make us a hugely high pressing team like Southampton & Spurs were with him but more a possession based team. I mean thats what it looks like but even then, its not even that distinctive what our playing style is. Its that bad to the point that even Man United look much more of a high pressing team than we do with EtH and its next to impossible to guess what your watching when you watch them.

 

Edited December 13, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[Reddish-Blue 2,489]

12 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

 

I will be honest, this lack of high pressing was also something that Pochettino and his reputation seemed to get around at PSG. I mean how could anyone say they were a high pressing team when Messi, Neymar and Mbappe stood around doing fuck all/half arsing it out of possession?

I get the same feeling again that he isn’t actually trying to make us a hugely high pressing team like Southampton & Spurs were with him but more a possession based team. I mean thats what it looks like but even then, its not even that distinctive what our playing style is. Its that bad to the point that even Man United look much more of a high pressing team than we do with EtH and its next to impossible to guess what your watching when you watch them.

 

I don't know what style of football United are playing under EtH but the fact that Bournemouth can rock up at Old Trafford, put on decent pressure and actually attack them....and beat them quite convincingly says alot about our players under Poch right now. 

I don't mind the odd losses if the players are putting the effort in and scoring goals and have the right attitude on the pitch but we've looked 2nd best to a large number of PL teams this season (other than against Liverpool, City, Arsenal) and that's a massive concern moving forward.   I'd be very surprised if Poch survives at the end of the season as right now he looks no better than Potter or Lampard considering the amount of money invested into the club. 

[Fernando 6,585]

The only problem I have with Poch right now is why play 4 CB at the same time?

This using 2 CB as LB and RB is just nonsense. Why have Gusto and Maatsen here for that? If those guys are not good then sell them and get two good LB and RB. 

Does anyone ask about this in presser? I mean the journalist these days don't ask any good tactical questions any more....

Edited December 19, 2023 by Fernando

[Vesper 30,085]

just realised that 10 and half months ago we were still the reigning FIFA World Club Champions (Real Madrid took over from us on February 11th, 2023)

bonkers

[Fernando 6,585]

Perhaps Chelsea don't need to pursue new signings in the January window after all. But what does the manager think?

I'm the coach and I always want to take the best decisions for the club. Conor Gallagher is an important player, he's one of the captains, and I'm so happy with him. If Conor is playing for me it means he's performing. It means he's a player that we count on. He's in our plan. Mauricio Pochettino

"The Sporting Director and us, we are always talking and assessing - if we need to do something, we'll be ready. The pressure is always to bring young talent, and we have different types of targets - with experience, without experience, some younger than others and that's what it takes to provide the team with what it needs.

"We need to be open to describing the situation. Always communication is really good with the owners, we're sharing everything. It's about sharing ideas; we need each other to express our vision in a way that's a positive statement for the club.

"If we need to add, we do it together, in a way that takes the best decision for the club."

more here:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13033516/mauricio-pochettino-talks-chelseas-january-transfer-strategy-and-plans-to-restore-success-to-club

You have the quote from Poch about Connor but then you have these statements. It sounds like they are working together? But then why say that about Connor? Makes it sounds like they are not working together....something does not add up. 

[lucio 5,418]

Massive loser 

[Vegetable 830]

Waste of energy to whine here I'm afraid;

Let alone the weird move of hiring THE Tottenham man, that went surprisingly smooth with our fanbase, I said it before and will say it again – TB instead of making the leap forward after taking over, made 10 steps back with Potter and another 7 steps back with this shot-in-the-dark rebuild. Besides everything else, the appointment of Poch instead of, say, Nags (who probably f**d away asap after hearing about the rebuild plan) itself was a signal to tame our ambition even further. He wasn't serial winner, he wasn't a mastermind, not even just a winner.  He is nice, decent, presentable and likeable man, as mid of a manager as one can be and those who thought otherwise and expected him to go full Mourinho with army of random U14 Brasilians and 4x overpaid Brighton reserves, given he didn't with freaking PSG, were just delusional (or clinical optimists, I'll give You guys that).

The thing that worries me however is that there may be no red line drawn, where the board will admit it doesn't work and act accordingly, as we have painfully learnt with Potter ordeal. They don't care about detrimental consequences of spending big and not qualifying into Europe, as they wouldn't know that Fifa will not bat an eye on fiscal creativity of City or PSG, but they will go ballistic on us, hand in hand with British govt, who may still feel the pain in their back hearing the sole name of Chelsea for whatever reason.

The issue however is, that I, personally, had no problem with us being dire under Mou, Sarri or Tuchel, because this team was exciting and atmosphere around it - the players, the board, the manager's personality - made fans be fine with bad times and bad decisions. No such thing since the takeover, unfortunately, we are just terrible and uninteresting. And on the way to become mid-table for years to come, with full acceptance of the board.

[Fernando 6,585]

I still back poch. These results are expected for me. 

Burst now makes it more clear what we need. CB and striker. 

Disasi who we bought this summer was not a good buy. Badiashille who was buy last season is also come bad, Silva is old so he is leaving. That's 3 CB who are leaving or not good enough. We bought two CB from Monaco and have not improved. 

And then we got Fofana..... 

We need to get rid of Badi and Disasi and get new cb. I want Hincapie, and another cb. 

Striker there's no market right now for that. 

[Laylabelle 9,534]

Is there anyone out there who could work miracles who isn't already taken...just look like 11 players mish mashed together. No game plan. No spark. Nothing. So predictable. You knew soon as half time was over we'd lose this game.