The Next Manager?

[Clockwork 1,794]

10 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I am fine with him as well, but I highly doubt he would come here.

Yeah probably.

Amorim imo style is very direct, i think he would be a better fit at Pool. De Zerbi fits the profile of this squad much better, but i don't know if he can elevate this squad mentality.

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

On 19/03/2024 at 11:50, bluesman2610 said:

I think both these sets of tactics would suit our players

De Zerbi yes. Not so sure about Amorim as he likes playing with attacking mids v wingers. 

[Mhsc 1,098]

Probably controversial but honestly think Sarri would be amazing with this squad... He plays a clear, consistent system they would learn and just deploy. Enzo and Cole Palmer would be phenomenal under him. He was a bit frustrating last time but he had a very ill-fitting squad and had to rely on Hazard to carry the team. Think he would really love this group and his clear and strict system would be good for a group of inexperienced kids to just learn and play imo.

[NikkiCFC 8,341]

1 hour ago, Mhsc said:

Probably controversial but honestly think Sarri would be amazing with this squad... He plays a clear, consistent system they would learn and just deploy. Enzo and Cole Palmer would be phenomenal under him. He was a bit frustrating last time but he had a very ill-fitting squad and had to rely on Hazard to carry the team. Think he would really love this group and his clear and strict system would be good for a group of inexperienced kids to just learn and play imo.

You complained about Poch quote of 3 to 5 years process but Sarri is exactly the type of manager who needs a couple of years. 

[Mário César 1,287]

we need Conte asap

ony manager that I see that could make a revolution with this squad

[Mhsc 1,098]

10 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

You complained about Poch quote of 3 to 5 years process but Sarri is exactly the type of manager who needs a couple of years. 

1-2 years and a few transfer windows is about right, but during the journey you expect to see a progression as the players learn a system, a clear philosophy of the manager, and you just have that feeling that over time you're just going to get better and better after a few targeted signings.

My main beef with Poch's quote is that he is washing his hands of ALL responsibility and accountability and fobbing us off that we have to wait a totally unrealistic amount of time to be able to outscore Sheffield United, who are on -52 GD. 

[lucio 5,418]

25 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

You complained about Poch quote of 3 to 5 years process but Sarri is exactly the type of manager who needs a couple of years. 

Poch will still be shit after 5 years 

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

With Sarri you could at least say we'd be controlling matches far better. Not this ridiculous 100mph back and forth football we are seeing which leaves so many gaps in our midfield. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

6 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

With Sarri you could at least say we'd be controlling matches far better. Not this ridiculous 100mph back and forth football we are seeing which leaves so many gaps in our midfield. 

We had that and all people did was moan.

It was “boring” although under him our build up sequences and combinations were the best they’d been for years.

Not to mention we would actually be able to play through a press pretty easily with Sarri as that last 4 months things really started looking promising. But I am not surprised he left either way, for whatever reason be it he wanted to go to Italy or Juventus or whatever, when your fans are protesting and turning on you like they ddi with him - why stay?

Still always wonder what he would of done with Mason, Reece, Tammy, Fikayo in the squad because they certainly would of fitted his philosophy and that team. Then the likes of Werner, Ziyech & Chilwell the following season.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Possession style with this squad? That has to be the least possession-able roster I've seen in a long time.

Jorginho was a master passer, Kova was really good at avoiding the steal by dribbling and then at short passing. Then we had players on the wings who were good at joining the midfield for exactly that: provide passing opportunity. I know, unsexy, but not everything in the game is solved by a direct run at the opposition.

So, who would do the passing? I'm going to assume that it's quite obvious to all that it's not just the CMs who pass the ball in midfield--suffice to watch a football match once. So, we have Caicedo (average passer at best), Gallagher (average passer), Enzo (good passer perhaps not enough quality around him?), then Muddy & Madueke who are long range runners/poor passers very direct. Sterling is fairly direct as well, and passing was never his strongest suit.

No ball-playing CB other than the aging Thiago. Chilwell is a good passer when on form tho -- Cuccu not so much.

The only attacking player who's an excellent passer is Palmer; he has both the timing of the pass as well as vision to find the right one. Sorry, but it's just not enough to build a team around it.

[Mhsc 1,098]

13 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Possession style with this squad? That has to be the least possession-able roster I've seen in a long time.

Jorginho was a master passer, Kova was really good at avoiding the steal by dribbling and then at short passing. Then we had players on the wings who were good at joining the midfield for exactly that: provide passing opportunity. I know, unsexy, but not everything in the game is solved by a direct run at the opposition.

So, who would do the passing? I'm going to assume that it's quite obvious to all that it's not just the CMs who pass the ball in midfield--suffice to watch a football match once. So, we have Caicedo (average passer at best), Gallagher (average passer), Enzo (good passer perhaps not enough quality around him?), then Muddy & Madueke who are long range runners/poor passers very direct. Sterling is fairly direct as well, and passing was never his strongest suit.

No ball-playing CB other than the aging Thiago. Chilwell is a good passer when on form tho -- Cuccu not so much.

The only attacking player who's an excellent passer is Palmer; he has both the timing of the pass as well as vision to find the right one. Sorry, but it's just not enough to build a team around it.

I think you are being excessively harsh on our squad. I guess you don't consider Colwill a good passer either?

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

2 hours ago, Mhsc said:

I think you are being excessively harsh on our squad. I guess you don't consider Colwill a good passer either?

He is. Caicedo had the best possession retention metrics in the league only behind Rodri last season. 

 

Edited April 9, 2024 by MoroccanBlue

[robsblubot 3,595]

6 hours ago, Mhsc said:

I think you are being excessively harsh on our squad. I guess you don't consider Colwill a good passer either?

I dislike this squad and think it's extremely imbalanced, overly young, and lacks skill (like there was an over emphasis on physicality in detriment of skill).
That does not apply to the post you quoted tho, because that's specifically talking about one characteristic: possession. You can have good players, a good squad, which would be better or worse at passing and retaining possession.

Colwill is a decent/good passer and may become a quality one in the future; it once again goes into "right now" vs potential. I'm really talking about numbers/the roster here, not so much individuals. How many good passers our squad have vs any other of the top teams for example. 
Heck we don't even have attackers like Diaz who can spin around, dribble and retain possession. 🤷‍♂️

4 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

He is. Caicedo had the best possession retention metrics in the league only behind Rodri last season. 

 

Like I said above, I'm talking about the collective characteristics of the squad, not of a single player.
Heh, Caicedo and Rodri have nothing in common to my eyes. Also, what Caicedo did at Brighton may have mattered at the time we were signing him, but not anymore.
He now has enough games for us already to know what to expect from him, at least short term. He can, and should, improve as he gains experience, but my analysis of him is from what I see on the pitch, and his passing has been laborious to say the least.

Edited April 9, 2024 by robsblubot

[Vytis33 1,276]

What a depressing list 

 

 

[lucio 5,418]

10 minutes ago, Vytis33 said:

What a depressing list 

 

 

I’d even be tempted to keep poch over these nothing losers

[Mário César 1,287]

I prefer to stay with poch, tbh and buy a new defense 

[TheHulk 2,487]

2 hours ago, Vytis33 said:

What a depressing list 

 

 

What better way to get rid of Poch than try to hire one of his triplet brothers who are just as shit.

Edited April 14, 2024 by TheHulk

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Whoever our next manager is it has to be a proven, serial winner. No one with a promising football brand but no credentials like the three above, some fluke singular title winner and or someone who only did it in a one team league. 
 

[LAM09 7,064]

1 hour ago, Magic Lamps said:

Whoever our next manager is it has to be a proven, serial winner. No one with a promising football brand but no credentials like the three above, some fluke singular title winner and or someone who only did it in a one team league. 
 

I hate to break it to you, but I'm sure that's exactly who it will be. The board loves "exciting prospects" and seems to completely ignore the here & now in their thinking.

There was talk about us being linked to Nagelsmann again. Enough of this project nonsense; it is becoming embarrassing.

[nyikolajevics 2,703]

2 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Whoever our next manager is it has to be a proven, serial winner. No one with a promising football brand but no credentials like the three above, some fluke singular title winner and or someone who only did it in a one team league. 
 

And who would that be?

Available manager with some serious pedigree = Mourinho, Tuchel, Zidane, Conte. Should we even try to power rank which one would be the biggest disaster? I don't really see anyone available in the summer who we can label as "serial winner".

We either stick with Poch or give chance to some young / coming-from-outside trainer.