The Next Manager?

[DDA 9,772]

  On 10/04/2023 at 19:08, Mário César said:

mount - 50M

gallegher - 50M

Pulisic - 25M

Ziyech - 25M

CHO - 20M

Mendy-  20M

Kepa - 15M

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Mount and Gallagher are not the same price bro.

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  On 10/04/2023 at 15:16, Tomo said:

You would hope so but I'm a little worried given how close we came to selling him last summer.

I would lose faith in the new manager instantly if it happens (unless they come out and explicitly state it was done over their head). I usually cringe at the Salah/KDB references whenever we're linked with selling an U25 but it would be fully justified here.

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Just how close did we get though.

The end result was we were willing to pay even more for Cucurella so we didn't sell Colwill and instead loaned him out with no option.

There's been no rumours currently suggesting we'd sell him despite all this talk about having to sell for FFP, and the only news I've seen has been expectations that we're looking to tie him down to a long term contract.

He might be loaned out for one more year if we can't move one or two defenders on, but I don't see a scenario where we sell him. 

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  On 10/04/2023 at 14:57, MoroccanBlue said:

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Mount - 50m

Gallagher - 40m

Maatsen - 35m 

CHO - 10-15m

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Havertz - 35m

Ziyech - 20-30m

Pulisic - 20-30m

Ampadu - 10m

 

 

Best case scenario, maybe 250m for the lot? Reckon we will end up loaning the others. 

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Well the first players to look at will be those with contracts expiring in 2024:

Thiago Silva will be staying and continue to be season to season.

Azpi and Auba I think will likely be moved on for small fees, or possibly even given free transfers. If we can milk a few million for each, even in add ons, bonuses then great.

Loftus Cheek will likely be sold, although I believe the club has an option for another year. I think in the past his wages and possible reluctance to move has prevented anything so not sure how easy he'd be to sell. Perhaps the club's price tag on him has always been prohibitive. With a year left, if we could sell him for £10-15m I think the club would do it.

Kova I think depends on the new manager and if he wants to sign a new deal. If not, then I think he'll be sold in the summer and I would assume we could look at somewhere around £20-25m for him. 

Pulisic I think will be sold. His FFP value will be around the £10m mark, so if we can get upwards of that will be good. Considering his age, marketing potential, etc someone might take a punt on him at around £20m? There is a player in there, just a very inconsistent one and probably someone who'd actually thrive more playing for perhaps a slightly lesser team but playing regularly.

Mount is the big one. I do think the club want him to re-sign. However if he is reluctant, the club has no other option. If we can get £40-50m for him this summer compared to nothing the next it's a complete no brainer as that could be the difference this season between being able to sign a striker or not.

Deal with these first, and then assess the rest. But I think for the most part your list would be what I would expect to see. Ampadu, CHO and Maatsen I think will be sold. Ziyech will leave too. A decision will need to be made on Lukaku if Inter, looking likely, don't take anything up for him. I think the likes of Gallagher and Havertz will be dependent on the new manager. If Colwill is coming back in, I think a centre back will need moving out too to make way. Koulibaly would seem the obvious choice but I also wouldn't be surprised if Chalobah moved on.

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  On 10/04/2023 at 20:49, DDA said:

Mount and Gallagher are not the same price bro.

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Mount only have one year of contract with us 

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  On 10/04/2023 at 00:04, Gundalf said:

So basically he says that he cant develop the players that are already here and demands a new squad with him in charge over transfers? 

If true he can fuck right off.

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What did you expect? 🤣

Look at Enrique’s record as a manager at Roma & Barca. He had a massive say on transfers (and also, a lot of them bombed). Not like Boehly & co’s recruitment dream team have done great either with Fernandez and Badiashile the only ones who look decent so far so anyone coming in will want an input of some sort. Particularly this manager who has a ‘big reputation’.

Plus the wide options are poor if we are going to play either 433 - his favoured system. Even more so considering Ziyech and Pulisic will leave. Mudryk has been utter shite too.

But yeah wasn’t that excited about Enrique coming in partly because of his transfer record and boring brand, sterile brand of football with Spain. I do feel that it is strange he has never managed at a club since Barca. If he was that good he would of managed another big club, you’d think? I mean I don’t think anybody would of had issues with that front 3 he had. 

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  On 11/04/2023 at 02:33, OneMoSalah said:

But yeah wasn’t that excited about Enrique coming in partly because of his transfer record and boring brand, sterile brand of football with Spain. I do feel that it is strange he has never managed at a club since Barca. If he was that good he would of managed another big club, you’d think? I mean I don’t think anybody would of had issues with that front 3 he had. 

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But he's gone from Barcelona to a year out to the Spanish national team which he's only just left so the question marks over another big club are arguable as it's not like he's been in unemployment during that time.

His personal life will have no doubt played a massive part in any decision making over the last few seasons too. Coaching a national team was likelier a much preferred option and when he returned I would expect he felt a sense of loyalty to finishing the job with the national team after they gave him the break away he needed.

The problem I think is that of the main 'contenders' for the job, they all have different strengths and what I would say are perceived weaknesses until they prove otherwise. Luis Enrique will always have that Barca team used against him in a way of 'anyone could win with that team' but you still have to go and win nonetheless, and it was done in an extremely impressive, relentless, dominating way.

You could argue Poch had a similarly talented front 3 at PSG and struggled to get it to work. I actually think his work at Spurs was better than perhaps some might give him credit for, but ultimately he didn't win anything and when they did get into positions to they completely froze as a club. His stint at PSG was average at best and I think he struggled under the increased pressure and expectancy there. It could be argued that Nagelsmann found it similarly difficult at Bayern, and both have thrived at clubs that are a little beneath that top tier. 

Does either have that true winning mentality and desire at the very top level that Luis Enrique has shown previously at Barca? Or would one of them be a better fit for our squad which probably needs a bit of time, patience and development?

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  On 11/04/2023 at 15:39, TheHulk said:

 

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I posted this in transfer news but it is better here. I just cant see that you have managers that the players will never question and our board is thinking about a manager that most have no idea about? It has to be click bait.

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One of the U18 Argentines Enrique allegedly wants has to be Echeverri. 

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Marcello Gallardo? Ffs. One extreme to the next. The club really are clueless. No European experience as a manager - managed Nacional & River Plate. Would be an incredibly risky move.

In fact it after the 2 already risky managerial & caretaker appointments already under Boehly & co - forget it.

I get their making an extensive list but wouldn’t be surprised if we get linked to fucking Ted Lasso next.

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[Pizy 18,552]

Yeah, no more mega gambles likes Lampard and Potter. A dude who has never even managed in Europe, never mind a TOP club is ridiculously stupid for a club which desperately needs to get back into the UCL ASAP. 

As I said here in the days right after Potter was sacked, a manager with BIG CLUB experience should be the first prerequisite. Someone who has managed big players in huge games and commands instant respect of the dressing room.

In the same way a load of our players had to Google who tf Graham Potter was and clowned on him for being in over his head, we’d have the same thing if we appointed this Gallardo guy. 

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  On 11/04/2023 at 22:33, Pizy said:

Yeah, no more mega gambles likes Lampard and Potter. A dude who has never even managed in Europe, never mind a TOP club is ridiculously stupid for a club which desperately needs to get back into the UCL ASAP. 

As I said here in the days right after Potter was sacked, a manager with BIG CLUB experience should be the first prerequisite. Someone who has managed big players in huge games and commands instant respect of the dressing room.

In the same way a load of our players had to Google who tf Graham Potter was and clowned on him for being in over his head, we’d have the same thing if we appointed this Gallardo guy. 

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European experience is one thing, but the bolded is pure ignorance. Had you heard of Scaloni prior to him doing the double with Argentina (they've only lost five games out of 59)?

To the surprise of many, football exists outside of Europe, and River Plate are amongst the biggest clubs around. 

That aside, I wouldn't personally advocate for him; we know what happened with Scolari.

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  On 11/04/2023 at 23:07, LAM09 said:

European experience is one thing, but the bolded is pure ignorance. Had you heard of Scaloni prior to him doing the double with Argentina (they've only lost five games out of 59)?

To the surprise of many, football exists outside of Europe, and River Plate are amongst the biggest clubs around. 

That aside, I wouldn't personally advocate for him; we know what happened with Scolari.

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I do agree to say something like River Plate aren’t a big club, when historically, they and Boca Jnrs are massive in world football, is quite arrogant.

But I do think Scaloni & even other international coaches are different though. I do think thats also why managers such as Southgate, Martinez etc can get away with it at international level. Or seem to be moderately successful/more successful than they were at club level.

Granted Scaloni hasn’t been moderately successful, he has been incredibly successful at International level. Winning Copa America and World Cup 1 year after each other & the Final thing with Italy. 

Again though, for such a big task as the job here will be next season alone never mind the following one, the next appointment has to be a sure thing to get some traction and get things moving in the right direction. So somebody such as Gallardo - he is a very very risky choice which is something you’d hope we would be avoiding.

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  On 11/04/2023 at 23:07, LAM09 said:

European experience is one thing, but the bolded is pure ignorance. Had you heard of Scaloni prior to him doing the double with Argentina (they've only lost five games out of 59)?

To the surprise of many, football exists outside of Europe, and River Plate are amongst the biggest clubs around. 

That aside, I wouldn't personally advocate for him; we know what happened with Scolari.

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I reckon @Pizy meant that Gallardo never managed a big European club. Which is true. While River are a historic club in South America, the culture there is totally different from the one in Europe, especially in England. You don't hear about River spending hundreds of millions of pounds on one or two players, they are usually a feeder club for European teams. And it's usually the 2nd or 3rd tier teams that buy from them, not even the elite. They deserve respect and are a huge footballing institution. But bringing to Chelsea a manager who had a 53,77% winning ratio with River would be a crazy thing to do, in my opinion.

Gallardo is actually a free agent now, after quitting the River job in November 2022. Everybody would be put under huge pressure once they decide to take over at Chelsea, but at least you know that people such as Enrique or Nagelsmann were put in similar situations in the past. For Gallardo, it would be something completely new. In my opinion, Gallardo should only be taken into account if Boehly & Co. buy another club (e.g. Strasbourg), and only once he proves that he can handle himself well there, then he can become an option for Chelsea. 

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  On 11/04/2023 at 23:07, LAM09 said:

European experience is one thing, but the bolded is pure ignorance. Had you heard of Scaloni prior to him doing the double with Argentina (they've only lost five games out of 59)?

To the surprise of many, football exists outside of Europe, and River Plate are amongst the biggest clubs around. 

That aside, I wouldn't personally advocate for him; we know what happened with Scolari.

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Meh. Not impressed with Scaloni. Or any manager that’s coaching international football, really. Especially one that had the greatest player in history putting in Man of the Match performances every single game and had other world class performers as well. 
 

And I wasn’t trying to belittle River. I know they’re massive in South America. But I still think it would be a massive risk to appoint someone who has never managed in Europe. I’d say the same thing if we were linked with the manager of some mega club in Brazil. Yes, they may be at the pinnacle of the sport in South America, but the quality of the competition is nowhere near the PL.

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I am actually surprised we have bee  linked with Gallardo and not Jorge Sampaoli - although he just got linked to the Nottingham Forrest job today. He is someone who again I think would be incredibly risky though. His career has went averagely a bit though

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  On 12/04/2023 at 07:26, Cosmin said:

I reckon @Pizy meant that Gallardo never managed a big European club. Which is true. While River are a historic club in South America, the culture there is totally different from the one in Europe, especially in England. You don't hear about River spending hundreds of millions of pounds on one or two players, they are usually a feeder club for European teams. And it's usually the 2nd or 3rd tier teams that buy from them, not even the elite. They deserve respect and are a huge footballing institution. But bringing to Chelsea a manager who had a 53,77% winning ratio with River would be a crazy thing to do, in my opinion.

Gallardo is actually a free agent now, after quitting the River job in November 2022. Everybody would be put under huge pressure once they decide to take over at Chelsea, but at least you know that people such as Enrique or Nagelsmann were put in similar situations in the past. For Gallardo, it would be something completely new. In my opinion, Gallardo should only be taken into account if Boehly & Co. buy another club (e.g. Strasbourg), and only once he proves that he can handle himself well there, then he can become an option for Chelsea. 

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The comments below have nothing to do with Europe in the slightest, and they are what I had issue with.

  On 11/04/2023 at 22:33, Pizy said:

never mind a TOP club 

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  On 11/04/2023 at 22:33, Pizy said:

As I said here in the days right after Potter was sacked, a manager with BIG CLUB experience should be the first prerequisite.

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  On 12/04/2023 at 10:33, Pizy said:

Meh. Not impressed with Scaloni. Or any manager that’s coaching international football, really. Especially one that had the greatest player in history putting in Man of the Match performances every single game and had other world class performers as well. 
 

And I wasn’t trying to belittle River. I know they’re massive in South America. But I still think it would be a massive risk to appoint someone who has never managed in Europe. I’d say the same thing if we were linked with the manager of some mega club in Brazil. Yes, they may be at the pinnacle of the sport in South America, but the quality of the competition is nowhere near the PL.

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Messi didn't win the WC singlehandedly. Additionally, Scaloni won the Copa America the year before. Whether or not you consider these accomplishments deserving is solely on you.

As I stated above, my issue was with your description of the club. Discussing each candidate's credentials based on their history is valid.