The Next Manager?

[Vegetable 830]

7 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Do you think it's a good idea to bring in your main target this season with the massive squad and morale down to nothing? Is it worth potentially fucking it up for the sake of a few worthless games? 

I don't know if I could say with 100% confidence when player's morale was actually high after TT hitting the slump, but I doubt it was actually very good under GP, despite of what he was saying. Parting with him could only mean improvement, but I guess appointing Frank afterwards didn't really had an effect the board thought it will have. And tbh, I was saying it for a long time - I doubt there was anything more destructive, than constant lowering of expectations and bringing in the excuse culture by the board itself. They were first to actually agree upon the fact of season being lost and giving up is ok, long before it was actually lost. Potter was just playing to their narrative (and fitting it quite well btw).

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

27 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I don't know if I could say with 100% confidence when player's morale was actually high after TT hitting the slump, but I doubt it was actually very good under GP, despite of what he was saying. Parting with him could only mean improvement, but I guess appointing Frank afterwards didn't really had an effect the board thought it will have. And tbh, I was saying it for a long time - I doubt there was anything more destructive, than constant lowering of expectations and bringing in the excuse culture by the board itself. They were first to actually agree upon the fact of season being lost and giving up is ok, long before it was actually lost. Potter was just playing to their narrative (and fitting it quite well btw).

That wasn't the question lol, GP isn't involved in the question, I'll ask again, do you think bringing in the top target this season after GP was sacked would have been worth potentially fucking it up for worthless games? 

 

28 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Well the games are worthless now, but before that first leg against Madrid, there were at least a couple of games worth fighting for.

There wasn't, we all knew Madrid was the end of the CL and a.manager like Enrique couldn't have an effect on that game, his style of play isn't an overnight thing, it's weeks of hard practice.

Edited April 15, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[didi007 69]

1 hour ago, Gundalf said:

Just look at Bayern atm. Tuchel is considered a world class manager, people here were defending him a lot. And since he is in charge of Bayern, their results and also performances got even worse a lot. 

Football games are won in the head, not on the tactic board. 

yet Tuchel came in and won us the Champions League in 6 months. Each situation is different but a world class manager is always world class and Tuchel will come good at Bayern eventually

[Gundalf 806]

15 minutes ago, didi007 said:

yet Tuchel came in and won us the Champions League in 6 months. Each situation is different but a world class manager is always world class and Tuchel will come good at Bayern eventually

Yes the difference back then was that the players seemed to be very hungry for success and to play well. You cant say that at the moment. I somehow feel that after the CL triumph some players got very complacent and the new ones got infected by that. It started under Tuchel (remember how he slaughered them in preseason) and got worse over time. These guys need a mental reset and the best reset can be done after the season is officially finished. 

[Cosmin 2,484]

1 minute ago, Gundalf said:

Yes the difference back then was that the players seemed to be very hungry for success and to play well. You cant say that at the moment. I somehow feel that after the CL triumph some players got very complacent and the new ones got infected by that. It started under Tuchel (remember how he slaughered them in preseason) and got worse over time. These guys need a mental reset and the best reset can be done after the season is officially finished. 

Some of them just need to fuck off. Pulisic, Ziyech and many others.

[Gundalf 806]

1 hour ago, YorkshireBlue said:

There wasn't, we all knew Madrid was the end of the CL and a.manager like Enrique couldn't have an effect on that game, his style of play isn't an overnight thing, it's weeks of hard practice.

Exactly, with this busy schedule a new manager wouldnt even have the time to teach them his tactics, his style, with games every 3 days its all about managing training load, u dont do anything new. That would damage Enriques reputation immediately, since, as some of here tell us, world class coaches are supposed to have an "immediate impact". 

Edited April 15, 2023 by Gundalf

[Vesper 30,225]

Luis Enrique ‘disappointed’ by Chelsea decision after Todd Boehly talks

https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/15/Chelsea-news-luis-enrique-disappointed-todd-boehly-decision-18618018/

Luis Enrique was left ‘disappointed’ by Chelsea’s decision to appoint Frank Lampard as caretaker manager as he wanted to take over immediately and have a shot at Real Madrid.

Chelsea resisted the temptation to appoint a new permanent manager after sacking Graham Potter at the start of the month, opting to bring back Lampard to Stamford Bridge as interim boss until the end of the season.

Managerial target Julian Nagelsmann – recently sacked by Bayern Munich – was reportedly keen to wait until the summer to make a decision on his next job, but Enrique wanted to take over at Chelsea immediately, according to AS.

It is claimed Chelsea’s decision to hire Lampard on a temporary basis ‘disappointed’ Enrique, who wanted the chance to take on Real Madrid in the Champions League.

Under Lampard, Chelsea suffered a 2-0 defeat to Champions League holders Madrid at the Bernabeu and now face an uphill battle to qualify for the semi-finals.

Enrique had two spells at Spain after spending three years at Barcelona, in which he won two La Liga titles and the Champions League.

Despite Enrique’s frustration that he was unable to join Chelsea as soon as last week, the former Barca boss remains one of the frontrunners to be Potter’s long-term replacement.

Enrique, 52, had a video call with Stamford Bridge bosses last week before travelling to London for in-person talks with the Chelsea hierarchy, including Todd Boehly.

Nagelsmann could yet beat Enrique to the Chelsea job but Blues captain Cesar Azpilicueta has hinted he wants his former Spain boss to take over.

Speaking to Spanish outlet EFE, the defender was keen not avoid direct questions about the managerial situation at Chelsea, saying: ‘There are parts [of the club] who negotiate, that we trust with doing what is best for the club. We will see what happens.’

But asked if he liked the idea of Enrique or indeed any Spanish manager being appointed, the 33-year-old did say: ‘My best games with the national team were with him as coach.’

 

[Clockwork 1,794]

No doubt Nagelsmann is the board #1 choice, given his connection to former RBL guys we have hired. They prefer a yes man.

 

[Gundalf 806]

6 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

No doubt Nagelsmann is the board #1 choice, given his connection to former RBL guys we have hired. They prefer a yes man.

 

Nagelsmann is quite the opposite of a yes man. According to BILD, one of the reasons he got fired was the lack of communication with the board. 

[didi007 69]

25 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

No doubt Nagelsmann is the board #1 choice, given his connection to former RBL guys we have hired. They prefer a yes man.

 

Another big mistake! These guys never learn! These players need a tough talking hard coach who will command respect from day one. In the mould of Pep, Mourihno and Enrique and Conte. Multi-trophy winning coaches who have seen and done it with galacticos! 

[didi007 69]

yes and he fought with the players to

[gdlk 286]

Enrique is everything but not a tought coach lel.. In prime Barcelona everything was led by Messi so i dunno who is yes man! 

[Clockwork 1,794]

16 minutes ago, gdlk said:

Enrique is everything but not a tought coach lel.. In prime Barcelona everything was led by Messi so i dunno who is yes man! 

You know nothing.

[gdlk 286]

I dont pretend to know everything but from football i do understand it better than you.. 

[Vegetable 830]

2 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

That wasn't the question lol, GP isn't involved in the question, I'll ask again, do you think bringing in the top target this season after GP was sacked would have been worth potentially fucking it up for worthless games? 

Misunderstood lol 😂

Honestly, don't know. Until recently I believed the top manager could hit the ground running and along proper tacfic and boost of enthusiasm we could actually rebound and create a good foundation for next season. But now, looking how badly pretty much everyone had given up and what a mess the club is I started to doubt it honestly…

[Blue Armour 4,448]

1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

No doubt Nagelsmann is the board #1 choice, given his connection to former RBL guys we have hired. They prefer a yes man.

 

That is pretty much the reason they likely held off on Enrique, for.

They want to wait until Naggelsman comes in and he's very likely taking a break until the summer. Hence the wait.

Fucking hell. If Naggelsman is the next appointment and he also ends up being a dud, that'll be it for this club.

 

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

26 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Misunderstood lol 😂

Honestly, don't know. Until recently I believed the top manager could hit the ground running and along proper tacfic and boost of enthusiasm we could actually rebound and create a good foundation for next season. But now, looking how badly pretty much everyone had given up and what a mess the club is I started to doubt it honestly…

I think by time potter had gone any new main target coach wouldn't make a blind bit of difference, Enrique style of play will take time and the right head space to learn, that would never happen this season, I know nothing of the ex Bayern coach so I can't comment o. Him, but I firmly believe if we employed Enrique 3 games ago, by the end of this season people would want him out, I truly believe potter would of done a far better job if given the same situation, he was hired at the wrong time aswell, so I'm glad to see the same mistake not made twice. 

[Cosmin 2,484]

I wonder when we’ll feel excited again to watch Chelsea play football. 

[Reddish-Blue 2,510]

2 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I truly believe potter would of done a far better job if given the same situation, he was hired at the wrong time aswell, so I'm glad to see the same mistake not made twice. 

He wasn't hired at the wrong time, it was his choice to jump ship and leave Brighton.  The funny part is, Brighton actually got a much better manager (where even players have said that Potter was more invested in relationships and managing players where as De Zerbi is more focused on ensuring the tactical approach is correct based on the opposition). 

The problem with Potter (from the beginning) was that he's never had to deal with so much pressure or money in his previous jobs and you could tell the players lost interest in his approach quite quickly.  We had a few decent results with key players showing their individual class at times but even with the very few wins that we had under Potter, it was clear as day that there was no "team effort" left at Chelsea.   The last half decent showing from this team was that 0-0 against Liverpool and that was with Bruno in charge and rather than build on that, the club decided to turn to Lampard for a farewell tour and honestly, it is just ruining his reputation and his small chances of managing in the PL again will take a massive hit as it'll very likely read as: "Let go by Everton in relegation zone", "Left Chelsea in the bottom 6 of the league". 

[Reddish-Blue 2,510]

2 hours ago, Cosmin said:

I wonder when we’ll feel excited again to watch Chelsea play football. 

Probably not next season but the season after (if we're able to sell off all these rubbish players who couldn't care less about the club).

Give chances to the players who came through the academy or the players who actually want to prove a point at Chelsea. 

The players who should be given a shot with the new manager next season are: Kepa, Reece, Fofana, Badi, T.Silva, Colwill, Chilwell, Kante, Enzo, Mudryk, Havertz (if Bayern aren't interested), Madueke. 

Every other player should be allowed to go.