The Next Manager?

[Superblue 6,372]

4 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I'd agree with anything except the Potter part - his arrival didn't cause even the usual bounce while and his presence is only making the things worse. The problems are real and persistent, but having zero confidence in man at the wheel is emphasizing them even more. If we are striving for leaders, the manager should be the first of them while Potter doesn't seem to have a personality for this.

Also, we are constantly talking about stale group of players, but we actually did replace a large part of squad sice Conte… Azpi and Kante are actually most senior players we have, rest is sub 4 or 5 years here of what I recall. We need Mourinho-calibre of character to make this bunch a team or send them out into space. Also, we need very smart transfer business and it's not something that seems to be going on right now.

Didn't we go something like 8 or 10 games unbeaten under Potter across the league and Champions League?

And on point 2 it just highlights the shambles of our transfer activity in the last few years. Especially when our squad has been either beefed up or some solid funds raised from academy players. Our inability to build around that makes it even worse.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

7 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I'd agree with anything except the Potter part - his arrival didn't cause even the usual bounce while and his presence is only making the things worse. The problems are real and persistent, but having zero confidence in man at the wheel is emphasizing them even more. If we are striving for leaders, the manager should be the first of them while Potter doesn't seem to have a personality for this.

Also, we are constantly talking about stale group of players, but we actually did replace a large part of squad sice Conte… Azpi and Kante are actually most senior players we have, rest is sub 4 or 5 years here of what I recall. We need Mourinho-calibre of character to make this bunch a team or send them out into space. 

100%

It doesnt matter what walk of life your from or sport or business etc your in, leaders are developed and if the guy at the top of the food chain doesn’t inspire/lead well then its ultimately not going to work.

Is it any wonder why guys like Azpi, Jorginho, Kante etc all of a sudden developed huge leadership qualities under Conte and Tuchel? No, its not, because both managers had huge personalities and were leaders themselves. They clearly had an influence. I don’t see Potter having a positive influence on anybody.

3 minutes ago, Superblue said:

You don't think Tuchel would be demanding and showing a similar way of managing them? This is an extension on the last 9 months under Tuchel. 

This is now a full 12 months of crap football, mid table at best form across 2 different managers. At some point when are these players going to take a bit of responsibility?

 

The football under Tuchel wasn't quite as bad compared to this. It wasn’t great, but it wasn’t necessarily this bad. For me, its only because Potter played good football at Brighton that it always seems to be used as the stick to beat TT’s difficult spell here with. 

Edited January 12, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[Vesper 30,231]

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[HEREIAM 83]

If Potter is sacked after Palace sunday, then i think Enrique or even JM should be given the job, with maybe Terry as assistant

[Special Juan 28,148]

The Mourinho ship has sailed, it's not tough love they need, they are bunch lightweight pandered too pussies the lot of them.

They have threw the towel in and Potter is getting the blame- their performances have been utterly shocking.

[lucio 5,418]

12 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

The Mourinho ship has sailed, it's not tough love they need, they are bunch lightweight pandered too pussies the lot of them.

They have threw the towel in and Potter is getting the blame- their performances have been utterly shocking.

Always comes from the top down , they aren't having confidence instilled in them, it's not like these players have secret meetings and decide to get the coach sacked 

[Costa19 858]

10 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

The Mourinho ship has sailed, it's not tough love they need, they are bunch lightweight pandered too pussies the lot of them.

They have threw the towel in and Potter is getting the blame- their performances have been utterly shocking.

I have been saying Potter out a couple of times but im not sure anymore.
The next manager, whoever it would be, would still have 11 injured players on his list.
The next manager would also face the destiny of underperforming and conceding players.

And we would be back on square one again.

Maybe, just maybe its time to give a manager the backing through a very rough period and step by step rebuilding the squad and replacing the rotten apples with younger, more motivated and better technical players. 

[Pizy 18,957]

Mourinho is finished as a top manager for a big club with sustainable success ambitions. He shouldn’t even be remotely close to consideration. Just a couple of days ago I saw quotes from him lamenting how out of touch he is with modern players. 

There is currently no clear candidate available that’s a no-brainer. Every high profile manager that’s currently out of work has red flags and all would be nearly as risky as Potter was. Pochettino is probably the only one I’d be fairly confident about being able to adapt quickly.

[Special Juan 28,148]

8 minutes ago, lucio said:

Always comes from the top down , they aren't having confidence instilled in them, it's not like these players have secret meetings and decide to get the coach sacked 

I bet you Potter is doing his utmost to instill confidence,  these players have a duty to represent and fight for the badge and have simply chucked the towel in. Potter will get sacked and the players win again. 

The players attitude and application is pissing me off and not Potter. The players have got us in this position because their attitude and fight is none existent 

[didi007 69]

1 minute ago, Costa19 said:

I have been saying Potter out a couple of times but im not sure anymore.
The next manager, whoever it would be, would still have 11 injured players on his list.
The next manager would also face the destiny of underperforming and conceding players.

And we would be back on square one again.

Maybe, just maybe its time to give a manager the backing through a very rough period and step by step rebuilding the squad and replacing the rotten apples with younger, more motivated and better technical players. 

That could take years or decades. And you still need the right coach for the rebuild. Arteta for all his faults won the FA cup in his first season. That was a positive sign.

[lucio 5,418]

2 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

I bet you Potter is doing his utmost to instill confidence,  these players have a duty to represent and fight for the badge and have simply chucked the towel in. Potter will get sacked and the players win again. 

The players attitude and application is pissing me off and not Potter. The players have got us in this position because their attitude and fight is none existent 

And his utmost isn't nearly good enough, a top coach would have them playing harder than this. 

[Special Juan 28,148]

1 minute ago, lucio said:

And his utmost isn't nearly good enough, a top coach would have them playing harder than this. 

I take your point but what is expected of Potter with all the injuries and the players who are playing have chucked in the towel?

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

18 minutes ago, lucio said:

And his utmost isn't nearly good enough, a top coach would have them playing harder than this. 

You say that, look at all the *top* managers we have had over the years that got sacked because of players not trying.

FROM	TO
Graham Potter	08 Sep, 2022	Present
Thomas Tuchel	26 Jan, 2021	07 Sep, 2022
Frank Lampard	04 Jul, 2019	25 Jan, 2021
Maurizio Sarri	14 Jul, 2018	16 Jun, 2019
Antonio Conte	03 Jul, 2016	13 Jul, 2018
Guus Hiddink	20 Dec, 2015	03 Jul, 2016
Steve Holland	18 Dec, 2015	20 Dec, 2015
Eddie Newton	18 Dec, 2015	20 Dec, 2015
Jose Mourinho	03 Jun, 2013	17 Dec, 2015
Rafael Benitez	21 Nov, 2012	29 May, 2013
Roberto Di Matteo	04 Mar, 2012	21 Nov, 2012
Andre Villas-Boas	22 Jun, 2011	04 Mar, 2012
Carlo Ancelotti	01 Jun, 2009	22 May, 2011
Guus Hiddink	16 Feb, 2009	31 May, 2009
Ray Wilkins	09 Feb, 2009	16 Feb, 2009
Felipe Scolari	11 Jun, 2008	09 Feb, 2009
Avram Grant	20 Sep, 2007	24 May, 2008
Jose Mourinho	02 Jun, 2004	20 Sep, 2007

[Reddish-Blue 2,512]

26 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

I take your point but what is expected of Potter with all the injuries and the players who are playing have chucked in the towel?

It's not even the injuries, it's the fact that there is no passion or instructions or anything from the sideline.   

I don't doubt Potter's quality as a manager but this is looking like Moyes at United 2.0 (a decent manager who was well beyond his depth), wonder how many more gutless losses it will take before he's leading the sack race. 

[ChrissWTF 10]

[Special Juan 28,148]

37 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said:

It's not even the injuries, it's the fact that there is no passion or instructions or anything from the sideline.   

I don't doubt Potter's quality as a manager but this is looking like Moyes at United 2.0 (a decent manager who was well beyond his depth), wonder how many more gutless losses it will take before he's leading the sack race. 

The injuries have a massive effect, nobody can discard that fact. Potter might not be everyone's cup of tea and what I cannot believe is the amount of people solely blaming him for what we are seeing.

Of course the buck stops with the manager but has Potter created the injuries and the capability of the players to not even be able to play a simple 10 yard pass forward? No chance, the players have give up they should be deducted wages or even sacked....oh wait that doesn't happen because if things don't go their way they throw their toys out the pram and down tools.

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

46 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said:

It's not even the injuries, it's the fact that there is no passion or instructions or anything from the sideline.   

I don't doubt Potter's quality as a manager but this is looking like Moyes at United 2.0 (a decent manager who was well beyond his depth), wonder how many more gutless losses it will take before he's leading the sack race. 

It's a known fact a manager jumping up and down on the touch lines does absolutely nothing, players and ex players have already said yeah we just ignore it, you telling me that some one on 100k+ a week needs the manager to jump around the touch line like a monkey on crack to be able to put a pass 10 yards? 

[Special Juan 28,148]

As for all this bring TT or JM back.....Please do get your head out the fucking shed.

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

4 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

As for all this bring TT or JM back.....Please do get your head out the fucking shed.

Totally agree, people was calling for their sack now they want them back? Have a fucking word!! Pot kettle black? 

[lucio 5,418]

1 hour ago, YorkshireBlue said:

You say that, look at all the *top* managers we have had over the years that got sacked because of players not trying.

FROM	TO
Graham Potter	08 Sep, 2022	Present
Thomas Tuchel	26 Jan, 2021	07 Sep, 2022
Frank Lampard	04 Jul, 2019	25 Jan, 2021
Maurizio Sarri	14 Jul, 2018	16 Jun, 2019
Antonio Conte	03 Jul, 2016	13 Jul, 2018
Guus Hiddink	20 Dec, 2015	03 Jul, 2016
Steve Holland	18 Dec, 2015	20 Dec, 2015
Eddie Newton	18 Dec, 2015	20 Dec, 2015
Jose Mourinho	03 Jun, 2013	17 Dec, 2015
Rafael Benitez	21 Nov, 2012	29 May, 2013
Roberto Di Matteo	04 Mar, 2012	21 Nov, 2012
Andre Villas-Boas	22 Jun, 2011	04 Mar, 2012
Carlo Ancelotti	01 Jun, 2009	22 May, 2011
Guus Hiddink	16 Feb, 2009	31 May, 2009
Ray Wilkins	09 Feb, 2009	16 Feb, 2009
Felipe Scolari	11 Jun, 2008	09 Feb, 2009
Avram Grant	20 Sep, 2007	24 May, 2008
Jose Mourinho	02 Jun, 2004	20 Sep, 2007

You really think ancelotti and Conte got sacked because the players "stopped trying"? Sarris last game was the Europa League final , did they win that by "not trying"?