The Next Manager?

[nathangeorge99 27]

Sounds like Enrique according to the papers. Don’t really know what to think about the managerial situation in general. Just wish that both Conte and the board would change. Similar to the strong feelings of support in there for Tuchel, many Chelsea fans on social media are really against the idea of Luis Enrique being our next manager. It certainly appears that he was lucky to have such a good team lined up for him, but he did come in at a time similar to Pep, in the sense that they had lost their identity, and were going through a bit of a transition. He still had to re-shape Barca’s style of play, and manage the dressing room. But I am concerned over his Roma spell, which was fairly average. My first choice is Allegri, but Enrique hopefully might not be as bad an appointment as many think

[Laylabelle 9,388]

It is sad that there has been so much speculation over who be manager etc in the media before any decision has been made. Soon as we hit a bad spell the usual stories come out... And I can't blame Conte for thinking wtf why should I bother 

[Fulham Broadway 16,931]

We need to focus on now, the next few games are vital.

I hope the managerial position is not being discussed at the club, just on forums. And then only because of the clubs' hire and fire policy. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

IMO what realy has to change is the board itself, manager is secondary right now.

I wish we actualy had some plans longterm and not just for next two seasons, because that means good season, bad season, change manager, rinse and repeat. Half players leave and we are in constant transition with one good season here and there and no playing style or stability. 

Marina for me is one of big problems at the team. Recent transfers of Drinkwater, Barkley, Bakayoko, Giroud,...give alot of average for huge money. 

Also whoever the next manager is, the philosophy and team work are crucial for club, manager and board have to work together.

If the board is ready for some real change and prepared to support manager, then Tuchel or Sarri could be realy good move. If not, then those two are pointless because they are not proactive managers and wont win much from the start. If board isnt prepared to tolerate that, makes no sense to hire such manager. 

Enrique is big question. He is as good as players in form, but the moment they arent, he makes bad decisions. He has no plan b, no ideas etc. IMO a bad choice in every way. 

But again, what we need is quality sporting director and people around him. Abramovich should be involved less too. 

Real, City and Psg have influental presidents, yet they arent involved anymore like they used to be, instead they trust their directors and managers more. We have to do the same. Thats absolute proiority, not who will be the next manager.

 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

3 hours ago, It's too big said:

Conte should have kept his mouth shut and not kept firing shots at the board. Also, falling out with Costa was a poor decision. Whether Costa wanted to leave or not (so do many players at clubs) the club got put in a tough spot by Conte doing that. Costa was happy to have stayed and seen out his contract. Conte never really gave the board the option to keep him now because he's talked way too much in public, which should have at the very least been kept private. 

Indeed. He isnt perfect coach, neither was Costa perfect striker. 

But we have to ask, is there anyone better atm available? Either the board can eat some pride/ego and stick to Conte or we go for less quality coach but someone who will be the puppet of board and they will be happy. 

If Conte ate some pride, we would still have Diego for season or two and then bring another, better and more stable striker to the club in peace. Instead we got worse one in panic buy with Morata, spend huge money on him and still we will probably need to buy another one in summer who will cost more money and time, not to mention adapting to league and club, which means more average transitional seasons at CFC. 

IMO unless there is out and out great manager that fits this team, we should just stick to Conte for another season and then bring someone. Because if we sack Conte, get Enrique and he doesnt work out, we are again at stage one.

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, the wes said:

Why does most Chelsea fans want him fs di Matteo has better CV than him 

I'm skeptical about Tuchel but going by your logic, Di Matteo is a great manager, right? Then why did he get sack by West Brom, Chelsea and Aston Villa? Plus, if we include Schalke, he lasted only 2 seasons at most at those 4 clubs and worse part is, he lasted than a season at 3 of those clubs!

[LAM09 6,792]

I'm skeptical about Tuchel but going by your logic, Di Matteo is a great manager, right? Then why did he get sack by West Brom, Chelsea and Aston Villa? Plus, if we include Schalke, he lasted only 2 seasons at most at those 4 clubs and worse part is, he lasted than a season at 3 of those clubs!

He got West Bromwich promoted and won two trophies within two months (can diminish the achievements as much as the next person but he was in charge). Appointing Tuchel would be in the hope he could do something notable, as he's only won the DFB Pokal in 7 years.

He'd be a bigger gamble than Enrique & that's saying something.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

2 hours ago, LAM09 said:

He got West Bromwich promoted and won two trophies within two months (can diminish the achievements as much as the next person but he was in charge). Appointing Tuchel would be in the hope he could do something notable, as he's only won the DFB Pokal in 7 years.

He'd be a bigger gamble than Enrique & that's saying something.

Tbh Im not realy buying into what someone has achieved as factor if he will succeed elsewhere/somewhere. 

Guardiola was appointed as Barca coach after managing only their B squad. 

Then again, Mourinho who won it all would be hardly a guarantee he wont flop at some new club.

Or AvB who was probably most promising coach at one point, he flopped. Same is happening with Emery who was successful with Sevila, but its clear Psg is way above his level. 

Zidane had no real experience before either but he did fantastic at Real, better than Ancelotti and Mou.

IMO what is crucial for manager at club is that he gets along with the board, and vice versa, and most importantly that he knows the culture of how club operates or gets enough financal and vocal support to achieve the goal that he and board share. 

IMO we would be stupid to not try Steve Holland at one point who knows the club well. And probably Lamps/Terry/Drogs at one point in future. 

It may be unpopular opinion but we should seriously consider ditching Marina. She is successful business woman, but she just doesnt have the passion/vision to make something great out of this club on football stage, if we go by recent work of her at club. Yeah, we made good on financial basis, but thats all business. In regards of creating football dinasty or modern football culture, she did jack shit and probably doesnt even understand it, its all about finance with her. 

I mean its good to have someone like that here, but not as director and someone who makes all key decisions. We need people with history to the club, with passion and people who know how football operates. City got Txiki who had experience, vision. What does Marina have in comparisson?

Football might be all about money these days, but if you want to actualy succeed, you still need heart and soul, passion and vision. Money doesnt give you that. 

We need coach that is here with a mission, not just someone that will try to do his job...

And obviously we need board that will support our manager, because its a rollercoaster at the top for a while now and it will get us nowhere. We need stability. Period.

 

 

[LAM09 6,792]

1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

Tbh Im not realy buying into what someone has achieved as factor if he will succeed elsewhere/somewhere. 

Guardiola was appointed as Barca coach after managing only their B squad. 

Then again, Mourinho who won it all would be hardly a guarantee he wont flop at some new club.

Or AvB who was probably most promising coach at one point, he flopped. Same is happening with Emery who was successful with Sevila, but its clear Psg is way above his level. 

Zidane had no real experience before either but he did fantastic at Real, better than Ancelotti and Mou.

IMO what is crucial for manager at club is that he gets along with the board, and vice versa, and most importantly that he knows the culture of how club operates or gets enough financal and vocal support to achieve the goal that he and board share. 

IMO we would be stupid to not try Steve Holland at one point who knows the club well. And probably Lamps/Terry/Drogs at one point in future. 

It may be unpopular opinion but we should seriously consider ditching Marina. She is successful business woman, but she just doesnt have the passion/vision to make something great out of this club on football stage, if we go by recent work of her at club. Yeah, we made good on financial basis, but thats all business. In regards of creating football dinasty or modern football culture, she did jack shit and probably doesnt even understand it, its all about finance with her. 

I mean its good to have someone like that here, but not as director and someone who makes all key decisions. We need people with history to the club, with passion and people who know how football operates. City got Txiki who had experience, vision. What does Marina have in comparisson?

Football might be all about money these days, but if you want to actualy succeed, you still need heart and soul, passion and vision. Money doesnt give you that. 

We need coach that is here with a mission, not just someone that will try to do his job...

And obviously we need board that will support our manager, because its a rollercoaster at the top for a while now and it will get us nowhere. We need stability. Period.

 

 

The reason Zidane & Pep hit the ground running was largely down to how well they knew their respective clubs, which is why I'm an advocate of Terry, Lamps or Drogba joining the club in a managerial capacity in the near future. Emery was brought in by PSG to win or get to the latter stages of a competition he had never done well in, so the expectations were well above his pay grade from the start.

The board/Roman are now just appointing "Yes men" and they are the ones who get the chop when things go south as a result. Only manager that seemed to have full control during his tenure was Mourinho when he first joined. I've been saying for long enough that the structure of the board needs to change immediately if we want long term success instead of what we've been experiencing over the last few years. The club doesn't seem to have any plan or identity which is detrimental. 

[Magic Lamps 11,677]

If Tuchel really goes to Arsenal than bullet dodged for us and Congrats to Arsenal. I think he fits them well with his attacking style and emphasis on flair players and he will win fuck all with them, maybe the occasional cup because they will be leaking goals right left and centre as Tuchel teams always do. Tuchel is a progressive manager and a difficult character so the AVB comparison is spot on. Tuchel on the Chelsea seat would be like a peacock on a vulcano. Probably looking spectacular with the right lighting but everyone knows it will end ugly.

[milka 3,356]

 

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, LAM09 said:

He got West Bromwich promoted and won two trophies within two months (can diminish the achievements as much as the next person but he was in charge).

Tuchel managed an unfancied Mainz for 5 seasons and guided them into the Europa League twice as well as 3 top 10 finishes. Di Matteo may have won 2 trophies within 2 months but look where has that gotten him - sacked from a number of jobs and out of one since 2016.

4 hours ago, LAM09 said:

Appointing Tuchel would be in the hope he could do something notable, as he's only won the DFB Pokal in 7 years.

We have hired countless of highly successful managers and they have not turned out to be great success, have they? 

4 hours ago, LAM09 said:

He'd be a bigger gamble than Enrique & that's saying something

Says who? You? Both are big gambles really. Enrique may have won more trophies than Tuchel but he had Messi, Neymar and Suarez at Barcelona. If we take that out of the equation, he didn't exactly did greatly elsewhere.

[LAM09 6,792]

47 minutes ago, Jason said:

Tuchel managed an unfancied Mainz for 5 seasons and guided them into the Europa League twice as well as 3 top 10 finishes. Di Matteo may have won 2 trophies within 2 months but look where has that gotten him - sacked from a number of jobs and out of one since 2016.

We have hired countless of highly successful managers and they have not turned out to be great success, have they? 

Says who? You? Both are big gambles really. Enrique may have won more trophies than Tuchel but he had Messi, Neymar and Suarez at Barcelona. If we take that out of the equation, he didn't exactly did greatly elsewhere.

Every "big name" manager with European experience has won a league title during their tenure, so you can measure success however you want.

Me & my neighbour's cat. Enrique knows what the expectations are of a big club and delivered regardless of the front line (managed to fail with the same line up last season as well, but that was probably his fault) whilst Tuchel doesn't/hasn't, as I previously mentioned. That's the difference between the two no matter how you paint it.

 

 

[Jase 43,479]

4 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Enrique knows what the expectations are of a big club and delivered regardless of the front line (managed to fail with the same line up last season as well, but that was probably his fault) whilst Tuchel doesn't/hasn't, as I previously mentioned. That's the difference between the two no matter how you paint it.

Dortmund might not exactly be a big club like Barcelona or Real Madrid but it's still fairly big these days. So, Tuchel does have some form of experience at one. Not to play down Enrique's success at Barcelona but any decent manager would success with the frontline that he had and speaking of Barcelona, Valverde had no big club experience before this season and yet, he's on his way to at least winning the domestic double. 

[LAM09 6,792]

30 minutes ago, Jason said:

Dortmund might not exactly be a big club like Barcelona or Real Madrid but it's still fairly big these days. So, Tuchel does have some form of experience at one. Not to play down Enrique's success at Barcelona but any decent manager would success with the frontline that he had and speaking of Barcelona, Valverde had no big club experience before this season and yet, he's on his way to at least winning the domestic double. 

Emery has a slightly weaker front line and can't even make it into the CL quarters. Talent alone doesn't win trophies.

He helped Valencia to a fifth place finish, so I refute your final point.

In conclusion, I don't want either of them here.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, LAM09 said:

Emery has a slightly weaker front line and can't even make it into the CL quarters. Talent alone doesn't win trophies.

He helped Valencia to a fifth place finish, so I refute your final point.

I only mentioned the final point about Valverde because you brought up Enrique knows a big club's expectations and how to deliver them. 

We can go in circles here but at the end of the day, as BlueLyon mentioned before, it comes down to what the board want. If they continue to demand instant success (with a flawed squad), then maybe Enrique is the better man for the job than Tuchel. But if they think long term and build for the future, then perhaps Tuchel is the better manager for this. Both managers represent a big risk and have a huge question mark hanging over them. Just depend on which option is worth taking the risk.

[LAM09 6,792]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

We can go in circles here but at the end of the day, as BlueLyon mentioned before, it comes down to what the board want. If they continue to demand instant success (with a flawed squad), then maybe Enrique is the better man for the job than Tuchel. But if they think long term and build for the future, then perhaps Tuchel is the better manager for this. Both managers represent a big risk and have a huge question mark hanging over them. Just depend on which option is worth taking the risk.

Whoever is appointed will be set to fail based on this season alone. Our last two managers have seemingly been victim of their own success; won the league and were rewarded with whatever in the market. There are no more ready made winners waiting in the wings this time around.

I'd loved to have seen what would have had happened if Pep was our manager last season.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Low-key Marcelino seems to be quality manager too.

He turned shit Valenica into very good one, transforming several underperforming players back in form.

 Barcelona is doing nice with Velverde, another one who was fairly unknown outside of Spain. 

People put too much attention on big name managers instead of focusing on managers that have fitting personality, style, ideas,...