🇺🇦 Mykhaylo Mudryk

[Vesper 30,181]

37 minutes ago, Mhsc said:

I am always dubious about these lists. I cannot believe that Rudiger is faster than Traore, but maybe it is a matter of acceleration that separates them (perhaps Rudiger has a higher top speed if given the entire length of the pitch to get up to it?)

It's top speed that has been officially  clocked.

[Mhsc 1,097]

1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Or the other terms of the contract.

Exactly. Word is that the vision for the new Chelsea was relatively modest base salaries with very high performance based income on top. If that is what we are doing then great.

[Superblue 6,372]

Besides stretching FFP out further, the long contracts I do also think have something to do with what the ownership walked into at Chelsea.

They were coming in as Christensen and Rudiger were walking out the door, in reality the best part of £100m worth of defenders leaving on a free that required replacing. They had arguably the two poster boys of the club in James and Mount needing new contracts to be tied down to, and they had the likes of Jorginho and Kante with expiring contracts. 

They've clearly assessed with the younger talent at the club that they don't want a player at their peak in their mid 20's with a contract expiring. The risk of being caught in a position like PSG did with Mbappe for them is greater than having a player on a long contract and they don't work out. Not all of them will work out, so it'll be interesting how that is dealt with when the time comes. Hopefully at the very least the more expensive ones like Fofana, Mudryk do.

[Superblue 6,372]

Certainly looks like he takes his conditioning and training seriously, looks like he has muscles in his legs that I didn't even realise were there (they're certainly not apparent in my legs!) - on the Chelsea video of his signing he seemed to cite Ronaldo as his inspiration in football and that training and application do appear to be very "Ronaldo-esque".

[cosmicway 1,333]

Some wheels set in motion maybe ?
I 'd like to see Fernandez from Benfica and Trossard too.
Also Felix if satisfies should be made a permanent transfer.

[YorkshireBlue 3,277]

2 hours ago, Mhsc said:

I am always dubious about these lists. I cannot believe that Rudiger is faster than Traore, but maybe it is a matter of acceleration that separates them (perhaps Rudiger has a higher top speed if given the entire length of the pitch to get up to it?)

I remember a few years back one of the Chelsea players did an interview for Chelsea FC YouTube, and they ask who the fastest Chelsea player was in the squad, and the interviewer assumed it was timo,.but the player said rudiger was the fastest in the squad. I just can't remember what player it was.

Edit: just watched the interview back, it was zouma, and he said it was between Timo and rudiger it's very close.

Edited January 16, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

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[Milan 17,957]

1 hour ago, Superblue said:

Besides stretching FFP out further, the long contracts I do also think have something to do with what the ownership walked into at Chelsea.

They were coming in as Christensen and Rudiger were walking out the door, in reality the best part of £100m worth of defenders leaving on a free that required replacing. They had arguably the two poster boys of the club in James and Mount needing new contracts to be tied down to, and they had the likes of Jorginho and Kante with expiring contracts. 

They've clearly assessed with the younger talent at the club that they don't want a player at their peak in their mid 20's with a contract expiring. The risk of being caught in a position like PSG did with Mbappe for them is greater than having a player on a long contract and they don't work out. Not all of them will work out, so it'll be interesting how that is dealt with when the time comes. Hopefully at the very least the more expensive ones like Fofana, Mudryk do.

Plus, if the owner feels like it, he will just terminate the contract like he did with Barkley 😄

[Mhsc 1,097]

£150k a week is very reasonable if true. Certainly lines up with the rumours we're offering contracts at reasonable base salary with high bonuses for performance.

[Jype 6,398]

1 hour ago, Mhsc said:

£150k a week is very reasonable if true. Certainly lines up with the rumours we're offering contracts at reasonable base salary with high bonuses for performance.

Yeah that's the same salary as Pulisic got 4 years ago and I'm sure the squad's average salary and overall wage bill have both risen a little since then.

But £150K/wk on an 8,5 year deal is still a ton of money to commit paying in the future. If Mudryk's development stalls or he has a nightmare time with injuries we're stuck paying him till 2031 anyway and there won't be clubs lining up to take him off our hands.

Big risk but also a big reward if he comes good.

[DDA 9,940]

I really like the kids mentality... that is 90% the reason Ronaldo was soo successful.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

14 minutes ago, DDA said:

I really like the kids mentality... that is 90% the reason Ronaldo was soo successful.

His mentality has hopefully shifted from what I’ve read about him early doors at Shakhtar.

The current Brighton manager apparently had a big influence on Mudryk when he was there although it was also heavily reported that the player had issues with other coaches before because he felt he knew better than them/didn't want to listen to them.

Lets see, I think he said the right things but actions speak louder than words. Generally these joining interviews seem to be pretty scripted. I do like what I have seen in the CL games from him but still think the fee and 8.5 year deal is madness.

[Mhsc 1,097]

39 minutes ago, Jype said:

Yeah that's the same salary as Pulisic got 4 years ago and I'm sure the squad's average salary and overall wage bill have both risen a little since then.

But £150K/wk on an 8,5 year deal is still a ton of money to commit paying in the future. If Mudryk's development stalls or he has a nightmare time with injuries we're stuck paying him till 2031 anyway and there won't be clubs lining up to take him off our hands.

Big risk but also a big reward if he comes good.

The nice part about it is that in years to come 150k will become increasingly cheap due to football inflation.

[laura90 556]

I don't get the way this club is run. Are they aware of  the risk? So many signings without offloading anyone. I read somewhere we can sign just one player without selling. We need to offload players but who? When? We will soon be in the position when everyone know we need to sell as if we were able to offload players without this burden before.

Furthermore, what's up with this loooong contracts for unproven players? It helps with FFP but what if it doesn't work with certain player?

Costs of running this club are sky high and we will need to offload players at any cost. We will find ourselves having to sell players who improved and warrant big transfer fee, like Colwill perhaps. 

We will have to play in CL to make ends meet, and there will be both Manchester clubs with their new ownership with Newcastle. One place for either of Us, LFC, Arsenal.

I think they are taking risk because they are spending Roman's money but will their risk be Chelsea's gain? I'm not so sure. We will need extreme success with our signings that is, we will need  miracles.

[Superblue 6,372]

36 minutes ago, laura90 said:

I don't get the way this club is run. Are they aware of  the risk? So many signings without offloading anyone. I read somewhere we can sign just one player without selling. We need to offload players but who? When? We will soon be in the position when everyone know we need to sell as if we were able to offload players without this burden before.

Furthermore, what's up with this loooong contracts for unproven players? It helps with FFP but what if it doesn't work with certain player?

Costs of running this club are sky high and we will need to offload players at any cost. We will find ourselves having to sell players who improved and warrant big transfer fee, like Colwill perhaps. 

We will have to play in CL to make ends meet, and there will be both Manchester clubs with their new ownership with Newcastle. One place for either of Us, LFC, Arsenal.

I think they are taking risk because they are spending Roman's money but will their risk be Chelsea's gain? I'm not so sure. We will need extreme success with our signings that is, we will need  miracles.

There is one big positive/negative of the longer contracts. Like you mentioned if they flop, then we could well struggle to offload them.

But on the flip side, if some of these players go on to be big players over the coming years, then it'll look like a masterstroke that they are tied here throughout most, if not all of their 20's. In recent years we've seen Rudiger move on a free transfer at the very peak of his career, Christensen move on a free, and Hazard and Courtois able to essentially force the club's hand with moves due to their contract situations. We also now have Mount in a very similar position if something doesn't materialise this season. So we are certainly a club that can also see the setbacks of losing control over players contracts too.

The key is to have more hits than misses in the transfer market to really make this work, and we may not really know or be able to assess this strategy for at least a couple of years or so.

Regarding the offloading, I think there could be a fair few moved on in the summer. I think if there's no takers for Auba and Azpi then they'll be allowed to move on anyway, as of now Jorginho and Kante will leave on frees, possibly Silva too, Felix and Zakaria are only on loan and the likes of Ziyech and Pulisic will only have a year left on their deals meaning the club are more likely to sell cheap and recoup something back for them. I also think the club will look to sell Koulibaly and Mendy too if there's market interest. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

Looks like a friendly in Ukraine? Is that safe?

 

 

[NikkiCFC 8,323]

16 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Looks like a friendly in Ukraine? Is that safe?

 

 

They didn't play home game there for years. 

[Superblue 6,372]

1 hour ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Looks like a friendly in Ukraine? Is that safe?

 

 

Think the full quote mentioned after the war has ended.

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14 hours ago, Superblue said:

Certainly looks like he takes his conditioning and training seriously, looks like he has muscles in his legs that I didn't even realise were there (they're certainly not apparent in my legs!) - on the Chelsea video of his signing he seemed to cite Ronaldo as his inspiration in football and that training and application do appear to be very "Ronaldo-esque".

I like all that I'm reading about him being a Ronaldo-inspired fitness freak. Hoping that unlike Pulisic and the other attackers, he has the appetite to keep going even when defenders in this league are throwing in challenges.

[Blue Armour 4,439]

20 hours ago, Mhsc said:

I am always dubious about these lists. I cannot believe that Rudiger is faster than Traore, but maybe it is a matter of acceleration that separates them (perhaps Rudiger has a higher top speed if given the entire length of the pitch to get up to it?)

Not the first time I'm seeing Rudiger top these lists. When he joined the prem, he clocked among the top 2 highest speeds recorded.

He is a bullet train when he gets going.

Not bad for a player that once suffered a serious knee injury.

Edited January 17, 2023 by Blue Armour