Chelsea Transfers

[Jase 43,479]

Speaking of Pedri...

 

[Vesper 30,180]

1 hour ago, Jas said:

33 ain't that old yet when it comes to Serie A.

only for certain positions

look at wingers for instance

Insigne (30yo) is the only decent one over 27yo (unless you count CR7 who is now listed at CF)

every LWer over 24yo

every RWer over 24yo

 

every SS

Josip Ilicic is ageing out, that leaves only 3 decent ones in the entire league, a 29yo, a 27yo, and a 26yo

 

every AMF 30yo or older

 

every RMF over 24yo

every LMF in the league

 

 

It is only at CF (in terms of offensive players) where you really get the grandpa effect (and even there is it really only the 5 oldest on the list, the rest are all 32yo or younger)

all these are 30yo or older and still banging them in or assisting on them

Zlatan Ibrahimovic 39    AC Milan 
Fabio Quagliarella   38    UC Sampdoria      
Cristiano Ronaldo    36     Juventus 
Edin Dzeko     35    AS Roma   350+ career topflight goals (over 500 total goals produced including assists) for club and country, truly overlooked great striker
Dries Mertens     34    SSC Napoli  
Alexis Sánchez    32    Inter Milan   (14 total league goals (7+7) produced in only 1100 minutes) 
Ciro Immobile     31    SS Lazio   
Duván Zapata    30    Atalanta BC    
Luis Muriel    30    Atalanta BC   

Edited July 4, 2021 by Vesper

[King Kante 1,643]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

Citeh FOR SURE with Pedri

Pep is already drooling over him

fuck us all if they get him and Kane plus some other top notch players (you know they will spend a lorry full of cash)

If we can get Håland and sort out a more offensive CM, I am pretty confident about our chances. If you look at City, they're starting to age out. I mean, look at the ages of the side at the start of next season: 

KdB - 31 (maybe not an issue with his play style but he has never been quick and always looked a little 'chunky')

Gundogan - 31 (bad knees)

Kane - 29 (bad ankles) 

Walker - 32 (relies on speed)

Fernandinho - 38

Mahrez - 31 (relies somewhat on speed)

Then you have some of their speed merchant players pushing for 30 during that season: 

Sterling 28

Cancelo 28

For me, City are a great side but they're not far off a overhaul. One thing the do have however is probably the best group of CB's and GK's in Europe that are still young + Zinchenko (although he seems to split opinion.) 

Edited July 4, 2021 by King Kante

[Vesper 30,180]

19 minutes ago, King Kante said:

If we can get Håland and sort out a more offensive CM, I am pretty confident about our chances. If you look at City, they're starting to age out. I mean, look at the ages of the side at the start of next season: 

KdB - 31 

Gundogan - 31

Kane - 29

Walker - 32 

Fernandinho - 38

Mahrez - 31

Then you have some of their speed merchant players pushing for 30 during that season: 

Sterling 28

Cancelo 28

For me, City are a great side but they're not far off a overhaul. One thing the do have however is probably the best group of CB's and GK's in Europe that are still young + Zinchenko (although he seems to split opinion.) 

you are off on all of those ages (in bold is what you said)

at the start of next season (what you said) they are

KdB - 31 (just turned 30 a week ago, on June 28)

Gundogan - 31 (is 30yo, turns 31 October 24) this is the only one you are sort of close too

Kane - 29 (Kane is 27, turns 28 July 28th)

Walker - 32 (just turned 31 May 28, not 32 until after next season ends)

Fernandinho - 38 (is 36, turns 37 May 4th, 2022)

Mahrez - 31 (is 30, turns 31 February 21, 2022)

Then you have some of their speed merchant players pushing for 30 during that season: 

Sterling 28 (is 26, turns 27 Dec 8th)

Cancelo 28 (is 27, doesn't turn 28 until May 27, 2022, after the season ends)

 

Edited July 4, 2021 by Vesper

[Mário César 1,268]

43 minutes ago, King Kante said:

If we can get Håland and sort out a more offensive CM, I am pretty confident about our chances. If you look at City, they're starting to age out. I mean, look at the ages of the side at the start of next season: 

KdB - 31 (maybe not an issue with his play style but he has never been quick and always looked a little 'chunky')

Gundogan - 31 (bad knees)

Kane - 29 (bad ankles) 

Walker - 32 (relies on speed)

Fernandinho - 38

Mahrez - 31 (relies somewhat on speed)

Then you have some of their speed merchant players pushing for 30 during that season: 

Sterling 28

Cancelo 28

For me, City are a great side but they're not far off a overhaul. One thing the do have however is probably the best group of CB's and GK's in Europe that are still young + Zinchenko (although he seems to split opinion.) 

LOOL

where you saw the ages of the players? trolol

[Vesper 30,180]

IF this happens, Dusan Vlahovic is still probably still on the table, but if CR7 leaves, for sure (95% IMHO) he is gone to Juve.

 

TRANSFER NEWS - CRISTIANO RONALDO'S AGENT APPROACHES JUVENTUS OVER CONTRACT EXTENSION - REPORT

https://www.eurosport.com/football/transfers/2020-2021/transfer-news-cristiano-ronaldo-s-agent-approaches-juventus-over-contract-extension-report_sto8405132/story.shtml

Cristiano Ronaldo has asked Juventus for a new contract, according to a report in Italy.

The Juventus star has been the subject of transfer speculation since Portugal were knocked out of Euro 2020.

 

 

Ronaldo was tipped to leave Juventus in search of a new challenge, but Gazzetta dello Sport claim the forward’s agent has moved to dispel rumours his client could be on the move. 

 

Jorge Mendes has approached Juventus this week about extending Ronaldo’s deal until 2023, which will serve as the clearest indication yet the goalscorer plans to stay in Turin.

Edited July 5, 2021 by Vesper

[King Kante 1,643]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

you are off on all of those ages (in bold is what you said)

at the start of next season (what you said) they are

KdB - 31 (just turned 30 a week ago, on June 28)

Gundogan - 31 (is 30yo, turns 31 October 24) this is the only one you are sort of close too

Kane - 29 (Kane is 27, turns 28 July 28th)

Walker - 32 (just turned 31 May 28, not 32 until after next season ends)

Fernandinho - 38 (is 36, turns 37 May 4th, 2022)

Mahrez - 31 (is 30, turns 31 February 21, 2022)

Then you have some of their speed merchant players pushing for 30 during that season: 

Sterling 28 (is 26, turns 27 Dec 8th)

Cancelo 28 (is 27, doesn't turn 28 until May 27, 2022, after the season ends)

 

Sorry, I meant the start of next season not this coming one. I count the season we're about to go into as this season as we are past 1st June.

Still, I was out on a few still. 

[Vesper 30,180]

1 minute ago, King Kante said:

Sorry, I meant the start of next season not this coming one. I count the season we're about to go into as this season as we are past 1st June.

Still, I was out on a few still. 

no problem, cheers

[Superblue 6,372]

1 minute ago, King Kante said:

Sorry, I meant the start of next season not this coming one. I count the season we're about to go into as this season as we are past 1st June.

Still, I was out on a few still. 

Although some of the ages were still off, it is a good point that some of their big players are pushing over the magic 30 number. 

We do have a couple of our own mind (in terms of important players, not squad players) I'm pretty sure Silva will be 37 (although I see his game time being managed a lot more by Tuchel next season, particularly as there's a valid argument that Christensen could possibly go ahead of him), Azpi is 31, Kante is 30 and Jorginho is 30 mid-season.

I think where we do have the edge over City is the bulk of our main players are in their early 20's and arguably still haven't fully tapped into their potential so there should be more to come.

What I would say though about City is they have found themselves over the past couple of years in a similar position to us a few years ago when we had to replace a core group of players (Cech, Cole, Terry, Lampard, Drogba, etc) in a short space of time. There was always a bit of a worry within our fan base when that time would come but we managed to get through fairly well and carried on winning trophies. City have been able to replace Kompany and David Silva without really missing a beat, and we'll surely soon see what their plans are post-Aguero. I think given their resources when the time comes to replace these players they'll probably get it right more often than not.

[King Kante 1,643]

8 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Although some of the ages were still off, it is a good point that some of their big players are pushing over the magic 30 number. 

We do have a couple of our own mind (in terms of important players, not squad players) I'm pretty sure Silva will be 37 (although I see his game time being managed a lot more by Tuchel next season, particularly as there's a valid argument that Christensen could possibly go ahead of him), Azpi is 31, Kante is 30 and Jorginho is 30 mid-season.

I think where we do have the edge over City is the bulk of our main players are in their early 20's and arguably still haven't fully tapped into their potential so there should be more to come.

What I would say though about City is they have found themselves over the past couple of years in a similar position to us a few years ago when we had to replace a core group of players (Cech, Cole, Terry, Lampard, Drogba, etc) in a short space of time. There was always a bit of a worry within our fan base when that time would come but we managed to get through fairly well and carried on winning trophies. City have been able to replace Kompany and David Silva without really missing a beat, and we'll surely soon see what their plans are post-Aguero. I think given their resources when the time comes to replace these players they'll probably get it right more often than not.

Agree, but I wouldn't say they have replaced Silva. Torres may do so but he is blowing a bit hot and cold atm. 

As for us, Dave has a replacement in James whole I also think he is the sort of player that will be like James Milner and Fernandinho in that he'll get to his mid 30's and still be fine. AC is a player I have always backed and I think he is capable of replacing Silva. 

Midfield is the issue going forward. Billy if he develops properly should be able to replace Jorgi. Kante is irreplaceable but their are some options out there to replace him long term (but in a different fashion): Bellingham, Rice (personally not sold), those two French kids (at Monaco and Rennes) that everyone bangs on about that I haven't seen much of etc.

[Vesper 30,180]

1 hour ago, King Kante said:

Agree, but I wouldn't say they have replaced Silva. Torres may do so but he is blowing a bit hot and cold atm. 

 

Ferran at 20/21 years of age

David Silva at same age

Silva only scored double digit league goals once in his career btw (2014/15 when he scored 12, but that year he scored none in any other competition)

3 other times he scored 10 goals exactly, all comps (2 of those were in 2 of his last three seasons with Citeh, 2017/18 and 2018/19)

he turned into an assist machine as soon as he came to Citeh in 2010/11 including his best year 2011/12, when he had 21 in all comps, plus 8 goals (the year they won the title in the last couple minutes of added time)

[avrobsws 29]

Man u are getting close to Camavinga why on earth we are not going for him ? He is available under £30 and a far better than Rice. What exactly we are doing ?I just hope it not again 2017 TM window ffs.

[Vesper 30,180]

21 minutes ago, avrobsws said:

Man u are getting close to Camavinga why on earth we are not going for him ? He is available under £30 and a far better than Rice. What exactly we are doing ?I just hope it not again 2017 TM window ffs.

Camavinga could cost United just £25.7 million

https://www.unitedinfocus.com/transfer-talk/camavinga-could-cost-united-just-25-million/

Eduardo Camavinga could be available at a knockdown price.

We knew there would be a discount due to the French wonderkid having just one year left on his contract. But we had not thought the price could be this cheap.

Journalist Fabrizio Romano says Rennes may be willing to cash in for just 30 million Euros; that’s £25.7m.

Camavinga is one of the best young talents in European football and could be a long term replacement for Paul Pogba.

While he is not stylistically the defensive midfield player United need at present, he could grow into that role, or simply become a replacement for Pogba, short term or long term.

[DDA 9,939]

United aren't fucking around in this window. 

😒

[Atomiswave 6,117]

1 minute ago, DDA said:

United aren't fucking around in this window. 

😒

While we are seemingly at sleep......this stinks of 17/18 season. We will get somebody the last 2 days of the window.

[Vesper 30,180]

lol

Manure may get 2 players whose combined highest price point at one recent time was over £200m, for UNDER £100m

their combined age is 39, the same as Caballero, who actually turns 40yo in September, lol

 

and watch us shithouse our way to dropping £90-100m on Declan Rice alone

BUT

I am going to go out on a limb and say we do NOT buy Rice, maybe ever (or at least we never pay remotely that type of cash)

we let him go, released him, said he would never be good enough

he is NOT like Mbappe

he is NOT some otherworldly talent, he is a very solid ENGLISH DMF (a very rare thing these days, which adds to the hype, as after Rice and Kalvin Phillips you, INSTANTLY get into utter dogshit, Jake fucking Livermore, for instance, was a part-time England starter just a few years back, ffs) nothing more, nothing less

the embarrassment is too great to pay a unit (£100m, 2 units is £200m, etc etc etc) for a player we binned 7 years ago

 

Edited July 5, 2021 by Vesper

[Vesper 30,180]

Leicester got Boubakary Soumaré, whom Lamps had the hot n' bothereds for (and who was being quoted at as high as £60m, roflmaoo) for £18m, ffs

edit to add I am NOT saying I rated him ever, in fact I was completely against buying him

Edited July 5, 2021 by Vesper

[Special Juan 28,141]

Said weeks ago we are sleeping and not building on the CL success.

[Vesper 30,180]

Ligue 1 (other than PSG, and they have contractual issues with Mbappe) is FUCKED financially, as in close to a mini Armageddon

bargains galore to be had (not just for us, obviously)

Kylian Mbappé   
Eduardo Camavinga    
Houssem Aouar   (they are talking that £18-20m or so gets him)
Boubacar Kamara   
Jonathan David   
Lucas Paquetá    
Bruno Guimarães    
Amine Gouiri   
Jonathan Ikoné   
Aurélien Tchouaméni    
Sven Botman    
Benoît Badiashile 
Rayan Cherki    
Jeff Reine-Adélaïde  
Jérémy Doku  
Moussa Dembélé    
Yusuf Yazici  
Kasper Dolberg   
Julian Draxler 
Gerson    
Zeki Celik 
Alphonse Areola    
Maxence Caqueret   
Youcef Atal 
Romain Faivre 
Maxwel Cornet  
Angelo Fulgini 
Lucas Gourna-Douath  
Terem Moffi   
Adil Aouchiche 

Edited July 9, 2021 by Vesper

[Superblue 6,372]

6 hours ago, King Kante said:

Agree, but I wouldn't say they have replaced Silva. Torres may do so but he is blowing a bit hot and cold atm. 

As for us, Dave has a replacement in James whole I also think he is the sort of player that will be like James Milner and Fernandinho in that he'll get to his mid 30's and still be fine. AC is a player I have always backed and I think he is capable of replacing Silva. 

Midfield is the issue going forward. Billy if he develops properly should be able to replace Jorgi. Kante is irreplaceable but their are some options out there to replace him long term (but in a different fashion): Bellingham, Rice (personally not sold), those two French kids (at Monaco and Rennes) that everyone bangs on about that I haven't seen much of etc.

They've changed their formation to predominantly without a centre forward last season and without Silva there I'd say the biggest beneficiary has been Foden. I think he's certainly been viewed at their club as the one to take over from Silva in his own style.

It'll be interesting to see what they do next season. Will they replace Aguero with a new big name striker but then move away from what was successful last season or do they stick with what worked last year (in terms of a no striker style and formation) and will it remain as effective.