Chelsea Transfers

[bigbluewillie 1,859]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

This is where we are at now, huh, calling Pulisic names just because of his injuries?  Said it before, people keep on talking about it like Pulisic wants to get injured on purpose. I mean sure, we are all frustrated as fans to see someone keeps on getting injured but you can bet that no one is more frustrated about it than the player himself. I don't think Lampard and the club have given up on him yet.

And swap Pulisic for Hazard? Hazard also has been having his own injury problems at Real Madrid and given his age, I'd not take him back at all. Plus, his time at the club here is done, over. People need to move on from this idea of having Hazard back. 

You want to keep him here?

How many continuous games has he had since he's been here, i'll let you do the maths.

You really don't like me do you, no matter what I post you criticise, I don't believe my post are that objectionable.

Off subject you're big on this name calling issue arnt you!  I mean you complained about us using Manure, Shitty, Wet Spam etc childish you called it, now me with a play on names as in Pulisick, may I suggest to loosen up and an take it as light heartedly we mean it.

Oh and yes I do mean he's a liability, I guarantee he's the next Darren Anderton, Jack Wilshire.

 

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, bigbluewillie said:

You want to keep him here?

How many continuous games has he had since he's been here, i'll let you do the maths.

And yet you want Hazard back?

3 minutes ago, bigbluewillie said:

You really don't like me do you, no matter what I post you criticise, I don't believe my post are that objectionable.

Off subject you're big on this name calling issue arnt you!  I mean you complained about us using Manure, Shitty, Wet Spam etc childish you called it, now me with a play on names as in Pulisick, may I suggest to loosen up and an take it as light heartedly we mean it.

You must have confused me with someone else because I am pretty sure this is the first time I responded to you about this name calling thing. I could care less about how people call the other clubs. I just find it odd that people name call players silly names, especially over something that they have absolutely no control over with.

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He plays like a technical monster. I have seen him twice play for Swansea and I like his improvements

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[bigbluewillie 1,859]

14 minutes ago, Jason said:

And yet you want Hazard back?

You must have confused me with someone else because I am pretty sure this is the first time I responded to you about this name calling thing. I could care less about how people call the other clubs. I just find it odd that people name call players silly names, especially over something that they have absolutely no control over with.

Din't you tell me not to tell ppl to EF off in spite of the fact I was defending myself.

And I did say originally that I didn't want Hazard back, but seeing the situation we're in I think he'd be a good stop gap.

If it wasn't you then I apologise.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, bigbluewillie said:

Din't you tell me not to tell ppl to EF off

If it wasn't you then I apologise.

Pretty sure I didn't, not over name calling clubs. Can't be bothered to waste my time over that.  

2 minutes ago, bigbluewillie said:

And I did say originally that I didn't want Hazard back, but seeing as the situation we're in I think he'd be a good stop gap.

What's the point of having a stop gap if he's also injury prone? If we are to get another winger in, it should be someone who at least has a clean injury record, or close to a clean one.

[bigbluewillie 1,859]

OK take your point, thing is where do we find him?

Think i'll let Vesper tell me that or anybody for that matter.

[Vesper 28,855]

@Jason

@bigbluewillie

All my winger suggestions were for an 'under 40m quid 4th winger' for depth and rotation

IF we now assume the worst and Pulisic turns medical bust (or the ultimate problem occurs and CHO ends up a bust too, leaving us with only Ziyech as a viable true winger)

then those names I listed are not good enough to be the replacements atm (if ever)

at that point, hard pass on Hazard, who will be 30, 31yo (or if we are talking summer 2022, 31, 32yo) and is himself now oft-injured (not a chance he would come back in summer 2021 for less than 40m quid to meet my '4th' winger role, Real will end up paying us £143-145m, they are not going to take a £103-105m or so loss, plus we are never going to pay Hazard's insane new salary)

Brexit super fucks us with grabbing one potential superstar until 2023, Youssoufa Moukoko (too young and tbf, more of a striker than a winger atm), which could be good or bad (good if he ends up a bust, which is very unlikely, but bad if he is purchased before summer 2023 and he then turns into an Mbappe level talent who thus would cost £125-200m)

only wingers I rate at a starting Chels level who are WC or on the way to WC (as Pulisic IS, IF he stays healthy) are

(money for this list means nothing, age does, thus no Salah, Mane, Neymar, Son, etc, all of whom turn 30 by the late spring/early summer after next season, or before)

its a slim list, and most are not available, the ones in bold are, and even some of them are very iffy as to coming here (the first two who are potentially are insanely expensive, and Zaha is on the cusp of being too old, and Veron may be too young an not enough Brexit points perhaps, which leaves only two, ffs)

Kylian Mbappé    
Jadon Sancho
Raheem Sterling    
Marcus Rashford
Serge Gnabry    
Ansu Fati   
Bernardo Silva    
Leroy Sané   
Mikel Oyarzabal    
Mason Greenwood    
Lucas Ocampos   
Wilfried Zaha   (this is the last summer I would remotely say buy, as age kicks in by 2022, tbh, it would actual be better to buy him in January, due to age, but Palace will not sell him the except for some insane price. so his ship has almost completely sailed, he was a fool for signing that contract extension, but Palace is doing well and he seems happy, so good on him, he just will likely never be a superstar at a big club now)
Federico Chiesa   
Dejan Kulusevski    
Ferran Torres    
Diogo Jota 
Kingsley Coman  (injury-prone though, but WC talent)
Gabriel Martinelli
Gabriel Veron (only one to make both lists, he made this on pure potential, as he is potentially the next great Brasilian winger (if Vinicius Jr and Rodrygo do not push on), tbh, I do not know if he is Brexit eligible now, as he is only 18 and has no big league experience, so probably not, grrrr)

The 20th, if I were to add him (strictly on pure talent), would also be on both lists, Ousmane Dembélé, but he is very injury prone , so mentally unpredictable, and a huge dice roll

[R2D2 368]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

@Jason

@bigbluewillie

All my winger suggestions were for an 'under 40m quid 4th winger' for depth and rotation

IF we now assume the worst and Pulisic turns medical bust (or the ultimate problem occurs and CHO ends up a bust too, leaving us with only Ziyech as a viable true winger)

then those names I listed are not good enough to be the replacements atm (if ever)

at that point, hard pass on Hazard, who will be 30, 31yo (or if we are talking summer 2022, 31, 32yo) and is himself now oft-injured (not a chance he would come back in summer 2021 for less than 40m quid to meet my '4th' winger role, Real will end up paying us £143-145m, they are not going to take a £103-105m or so loss, plus we are never going to pay Hazard's insane new salary)

Brexit super fucks us with grabbing one potential superstar until 2023, Youssoufa Moukoko (too young and tbf, more of a striker than a winger atm), which could be good or bad (good if he ends up a bust, which is very unlikely, but bad if he is purchased before summer 2023 and he then turns into an Mbappe level talent who thus would cost £125-200m)

only wingers I rate at a starting Chels level who are WC or on the way to WC (as Pulisic IS, IF he stays healthy) are

(money for this list means nothing, age does, thus no Salah, Mane, Neymar, Son, etc, all of whom turn 30 by the late spring/early summer after next season, or before)

its a slim list, and most are not available, the ones in bold are, and even some of them are very iffy as to coming here (the first two who are potentially are insanely expensive, and Zaha is on the cusp of being too old, and Veron may be too young an not enough Brexit points perhaps, which leaves only two, ffs)

Kylian Mbappé    
Jadon Sancho
Raheem Sterling    
Marcus Rashford
Serge Gnabry    
Ansu Fati   
Bernardo Silva    
Leroy Sané   
Mikel Oyarzabal    
Mason Greenwood    
Lucas Ocampos   
Wilfried Zaha   (this is the last summer I would remotely say buy, as age kicks in by 2022, tbh, it would actual be better to buy him in January, due to age, but Palace will not sell him the except for some insane price. so his ship has almost completely sailed, he was a fool for signing that contract extension, but Palace is doing well and he seems happy, so good on him, he just will likely never be a superstar at a big club now)
Federico Chiesa   
Dejan Kulusevski    
Ferran Torres    
Diogo Jota 
Kingsley Coman  (injury-prone though, but WC talent)
Gabriel Martinelli
Gabriel Veron (only one to make both lists, he made this on pure potential, as he is potentially the next great Brasilian winger (if Vinicius Jr and Rodrygo do not push on), tbh, I do not know if he is Brexit eligible now, as he is only 18 and has no big league experience, so probably not, grrrr)

The 20th, if I were to add him (strictly on pure talent), would also be on both lists, Ousmane Dembélé, but he is very injury prone , so mentally unpredictable, and a huge dice roll

I agree wholeheartedly, I rate CHO but I don't know if his heart is in this team, will need to see until next summer, Pulisic unfortunately while world class injury rigged, so that leaves only Ziyech. I think we seriously need another world class winger, worst case get another strike and move Werner as a permanent winger but don't really entertain this idea that much since it limits Timo unless we get Haaland.

As for winger without a single doubt in my mind that winger must be Sancho, there aren't any rivals in for him, United got two players in his position this summer and linked to another one so that most likely means they wont pursue him anymore, Liverpool need to sell before buying which I can't see, Barca are broke, Real have other targets, last but not least with the bad year he is apparently having it's likely his price tag might go down a little bit if not much, surely he is in the mind of our board and Frank if they want to spend big on another class winger since he is also English and helps our homegrown quota as well.

We've been linked to Dybala lately but not sure if he is the solution plays the same position as Havertz.

[Vesper 28,855]

39 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

I agree wholeheartedly, I rate CHO but I don't know if his heart is in this team, will need to see until next summer, Pulisic unfortunately while world class injury rigged, so that leaves only Ziyech. I think we seriously need another world class winger, worst case get another strike and move Werner as a permanent winger but don't really entertain this idea that much since it limits Timo unless we get Haaland.

As for winger without a single doubt in my mind that winger must be Sancho, there aren't any rivals in for him, United got two players in his position this summer and linked to another one so that most likely means they wont pursue him anymore, Liverpool need to sell before buying which I can't see, Barca are broke, Real have other targets, last but not least with the bad year he is apparently having it's likely his price tag might go down a little bit if not much, surely he is in the mind of our board and Frank if they want to spend big on another class winger since he is also English and helps our homegrown quota as well.

We've been linked to Dybala lately but not sure if he is the solution plays the same position as Havertz.

IF we move for Sancho, then we absolutely have to liquidate most all of the dregs we have

I have listed the 11 we can sell for the most dosh (we have a total of 23 or so to liquidate), and that would yield (even at very low conservative yields) £180m to £200m or so

that would be enough to buy both Rice and Sancho

BUT we need to really start selling them off ASAP

let us all hope Sarri gets a new gig and thus will squeal for his new team to buy Jorginho

[R2D2 368]

4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

IF we move for Sancho, then we absolutely have to liquidate most all of the dregs we have

I have listed the 11 we can sell for the most dosh (we have a total of 23 or so to liquidate), and that would yield (even at very low conservative yields) £180m to £200m or so

that would be enough to buy both Rice and Sancho

BUT we need to really start selling them off ASAP

let us all hope Sarri gets a new gig and thus will squeal for his new team to buy Jorginho

Did Napoli officially buy Bakayoko or was that just a rumour?

[Vesper 28,855]

48 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

I agree wholeheartedly, I rate CHO but I don't know if his heart is in this team, will need to see until next summer, Pulisic unfortunately while world class injury rigged, so that leaves only Ziyech. I think we seriously need another world class winger, worst case get another strike and move Werner as a permanent winger but don't really entertain this idea that much since it limits Timo unless we get Haaland.

As for winger without a single doubt in my mind that winger must be Sancho, there aren't any rivals in for him, United got two players in his position this summer and linked to another one so that most likely means they wont pursue him anymore, Liverpool need to sell before buying which I can't see, Barca are broke, Real have other targets, last but not least with the bad year he is apparently having it's likely his price tag might go down a little bit if not much, surely he is in the mind of our board and Frank if they want to spend big on another class winger since he is also English and helps our homegrown quota as well.

We've been linked to Dybala lately but not sure if he is the solution plays the same position as Havertz.

IF we extend the list out to include AMF, RMF, LMF, and SS's who can play winger then I would add

in bold black are NOT available

Bold Red are WC or potentially so

the 6 in big type are the best available IMHO (Grealish will cost a bloody fortune)

the last 3 in big, bold red are all super youth prospects, potentially some may be as good as anyone on the list or near it

    
João Félix    
Paulo Dybala  
Phil Foden   
Philippe Coutinho  (last window for him on any lists, due to age) 
Nicolò Zaniolo   
Jack Grealish   (insanely expensive, but would be a MASSIVE pull, I rate the hell out of him)
Bukayo Saka  
Dominik Szoboszlai (more AMF than winger tbh)
Julian Brandt 
Christopher Nkunku   
Dani Olmo    
Giovanni Reyna    
Carlos Soler (more MF than winger, he is such a sleeper, shocked no bigger team has not made a move for him, wonderful passer and can score too, sort of a poor man's Cesc Fàbregas, class player)   
Rayan Cherki  (if the summer 2021 window ends before August 17th (when he turns 18yo), he is too young due to Brexit)  
Florian Wirtz   
Julian Draxler    
Mohamed Ihattaren
Todd Cantwell  
Isco    
Thiago Almada
Naci Ünüvar

[Vesper 28,855]

1 hour ago, R2D2 said:

Did Napoli officially buy Bakayoko or was that just a rumour?

Tiemoue Bakayoko has impressed Napoli so much that they are reportedly already in talks with Chelsea to buy him outright for €18m.

The midfielder had already worked with coach Gennaro Gattuso during another loan spell at Milan, and since Chelsea bought him from Monaco for €40m in 2017, has also been loaned to his old club.

The cost of the loan at the Stadio San Paolo is €2m and there is no option to buy, but La Gazzetta dello Sport and La Repubblica claim there is a gentleman’s agreement between the clubs for €18m.

Once the talks are finalised for Gattuso to extend his contract to June 2023, which is expected later this month, then Napoli can turn their focus over to Bakayoko’s situation.

 

and further detail

 

Napoli are reportedly on the verge of signing Tiemoue Bakayoko on loan from Chelsea, but there is no option to buy in the deal.

According to multiple Italian sources, including Sky Sport Italia and Sportitalia, an agreement is practically done between the clubs.

The midfielder is also said to be enthusiastic about the transfer, having already played one season in Serie A on loan at Milan.

He had been linked with a return to the Rossoneri, but they wanted an option to buy rather than an obligation for €25m.

It seems as if Napoli are content to accept a dry loan – without an option to buy – that will reunite Bakayoko with his former Milan coach Gennaro Gattuso.

The 26-year-old spent last season on loan at Monaco, the club he had left for €40m in the summer of 2017.

 

 

 

the thing that is shite is that Bakayoko has played VERY well at all 3 clubs since he is out on loan (the only club he ever was shit as was, of course, us, ffs), yet what we will get for him keeps shrinking

typical market raping (as it always is in fucking Italy!!)

he was the one big buy I was wrong on (whether for or against) in the last few years, other than Kepa (I was so against the cash we dropped, I just never expected Kepa to be as HORRIFIC as he turned out to be, and I was a bit unhappy with the 7 year contract as well)

[Vesper 28,855]

we need harder players and EPL proven ones

the 4 or 5 I would love to see (and some will no doubt make some snap in rage)

all 5 are ferocious competitors

Rice

Grealish

Zaha

Caglar Söyüncü or a step down, Jan Bednarek or even buy both (dump Rudiger and AC)

 

 

 

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Matt Law: "I know Frank would love to sign Declan Rice still but I can’t see that happening in January. I get the impression that Frank would still like to sign another winger, Chelsea have scouted Samuel Chukwueze for a very long time."

[MoroccanBlue 5,306]

24 minutes ago, iceboy said:

 

Huh?

[robsblubot 3,508]

Would Laporte be available, maybe?

He sat on the bench for Ake (no more than a decent player for me), so I'm wondering if Guardiola could let him go for the right amount of money.

This guy has the potential to replace Silva, imo. No he hasn't reached that level yet, but he won't be available once, and if, he does.