Chelsea Transfers

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5 minutes ago, Jason said:

How is this even comparable? On paper, yeah, Haaland is obviously the much more fancier name and player than Rice but if you look at what we need in this team, we need a defensive midfielder more urgently than a striker. 

Personally, I don't believe this Haaland rumor one bit - especially if people are gonna base it off a quote - and I would be more curious to see how the current team develop and play out before we start to worry about next summer's potential transfer targets. 

Havertz was monitored and talks started almost a year ago, it's not strange to think negotiations are done behind the scenes even this early. We can buy a defensive midfielder by selling deadwood so that shouldn't stop us from going for another attacking outlet, which we might need since were already short of one.

Matt Law already mentioned that next year will be phase 2 so expect another crazy window for us.

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2 minutes ago, oldportblue said:

and now rumors of much higher quality (fabrizio romano) are saying we want to sign him so....

We would let go of Tammy in the blink of an eye if we had the chance to sign Haland. (love Tammy but the truth is the truth)

And of course being a huge lampard admirer plays a role lol. Did you not listen to werner, chillwell, havertz, silva who all credited lamps as the main reason they came (among other reasons of course). Of course neither of us know for sure where he'll end up but to categorically state that "Haaland would end up in one of the Manchester clubs" is ridiculous imo

Why would we let go of Tammy if he plays well ... we arent playing FIFA or Football Manager here. 

The primary reason why players ended up here is because Lampard called them up and sold his vision to them just like how Jose did or Conte did (well he went in the opposite direction) or any top manager does ... I cant help if you find my statement ridiculous ...

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1 minute ago, oldportblue said:

it's not based on a quote (although he did say that), it's based on fabrizio romano's latest podcast episode...

Don't see why we couldn't get both next summer, especially if we manage to sell some unwanted players like jorginho, alonso, palmieri, michy, barkley etc...

(not saying it's gonna happen but it is in now way beyond the realm of possibility)

Could care less who said it. This could be all just empty talk for all we know.

Furthermore, if Werner is Lampard's long term plan to be our #1 striker, then I don't see how it makes sense to get Haaland into the side. Neither is going to be happy to sit on the bench and even if we move Werner out wide, it will solve one problem and create another when we have a number wide attacking options as well as tons of midfield options. And constant chopping and changing the team isn't going to help anyone.

As I said, let's see how Lampard develops the team this season before before we start thinking far ahead into next summer's transfer targets.

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57 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

And we will go for Rice.

Never realized Haaland was a DM!

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5 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

Havertz was monitored and talks started almost year ago, it's not strange to think negotiations are done behind the scenes even this early. We can buy a defensive midfielder by selling deadwood so that shouldn't stop us from going for another attacking outlet, which we might need since were already short of one.

Matt Law already mentioned that next year will be phase 2 so expect another crazy window for us.

Yes but think we also got lucky that the other clubs suffered financial hits from the pandemic. If the pandemic had not happened, I highly doubt we would have gotten Havertz and Werner for example as easily as we did. Bayern or Real Madrid would have likely signed Havertz and Liverpool may well have gotten Werner before we suddenly swooped in. 

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Just now, coolhead23 said:

Why would we let go of Tammy if he plays well ... we arent playing FIFA or Football Manager here. 

The primary reason why players ended up here is because Lampard called them up and sold his vision to them just like how Jose did or Conte did (well he went in the opposite direction) or any top manager does ... I cant help if you find my statement ridiculous ...

ummm because haland is a generational talent who has all the tools to become one of the greatest strikers of the modern era...? as good as tammy is, he is not in haland's class unfortunately

As to playing fifa/football manager, you would have probably said that last April too if someone told you we were about to sign havertz, werner, chillwell, ziyech, silva, mendy etc and yet it still happened. Not to mention that Matt Law already explicitly said that for phase II of this chelsea revolution next summer will also go very big as we did this summer.

Yes Lampard already sold his vision successfully to two of the most sought after young attacking players in the world in havertz and werner, and with Hlanad who is already a huge admirer of his, he has the opportunity to do it again... I really don't see why haland being a huge lampard admirer "will not be a factor" as you claim.

It's ridiculous to claim it as a fact that he's going to one of the manchester clubs, if you say it's a feeling you have or hunch, sure, but to state it emphatically is ridiculous imo.

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Just now, Jason said:

Yes but think we also got lucky that the other clubs suffered financial hits from the pandemic. If the pandemic had not happened, I highly doubt we would have gotten Havertz and Werner for example as easily as we did. Bayern or Real Madrid would have likely signed Havertz and Liverpool may well have gotten Werner before we suddenly swooped in. 

Havertz yes but Liverpool ended up spending not that much less (of what Werner would have cost) on Jota anyway.

The Liverpool turned him down due to money spin is a blatant bit of PR, as Jota's signing proved.

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4 minutes ago, Jason said:

Could care less who said it.

This is not the first time I have actually seen you use this and I was wondering (because it kept confusing me lol) - should it not be 'Could not care less'? Or is it used on purpose for a specifix reason? By no means is this a dig aimed at you but I like the English language and would like to know more, since you have been writting really decent English on this forum.

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

Yes but think we also got lucky that the other clubs suffered financial hits from the pandemic. If the pandemic had not happened, I highly doubt we would have gotten Havertz and Werner for example as easily as we did. Bayern or Real Madrid would have likely signed Havertz and Liverpool may well have gotten Werner before we suddenly swooped in. 

maybe, maybe not... but now what we do have to attract more young top talent is a core of top quality top talent already at the club. IMO this will make chelsea a very appealing proposition next summer, if we perform this year as our talent is capable of..

Matt Law already stated that we will be going big next summer again so who knows, maybe the same/similar situation could even happen again, one where we are willing to spend big but some others aren't. Again don't necessarily think we will sign rice-gimenez-haland next summer but I could see us getting 2/3 (or some other top CB target other than gimenez) if we manage to sell some of our surplus players for acceptable fees.

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2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Havertz yes but Liverpool ended up spending not that much less (of what Werner would have cost) on Jota anyway.

The Liverpool turned him down due to money spin is a blatant bit of PR, as Jota's signing proved.

It turned out that Liverpool were able to negotiate a fee structure with Wolves for Jota, meaning they didn't have to pay 40 million upfront immediately. Werner had a release clause and I believe Leipzig wanted that fee to paid up right away. And I also believe Jota is on lower wages than Werner would have gotten there. 

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26 minutes ago, Jason said:

How is this even comparable? On paper, yeah, Haaland is obviously the much more fancier name and player than Rice but if you look at what we need in this team, we need a defensive midfielder 

I responded to the post where someone said we will go for Gimenez and Haaland next summer and I just added Rice as a 3rd player we will go for 

This is also response to @Tomo comment on this page.

 

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Just now, oldportblue said:

ummm because haland is a generational talent who has all the tools to become one of the greatest strikers of the modern era...? as good as tammy is, he is not in haland's class unfortunately

As to playing fifa/football manager, you would have probably said that last April too if someone told you we were about to sign havertz, werner, chillwell, ziyech, silva, mendy etc and yet it still happened. Not to mention that Matt Law already explicitly said that for phase II of this chelsea revolution next summer will also go very big as we did this summer.

Yes Lampard already sold his vision successfully to two of the most sought after young attacking players in the world in havertz and werner, and with Hlanad who is already a huge admirer of his, he has the opportunity to do it again... I really don't see why haland being a huge lampard admirer "will not be a factor" as you claim.

It's ridiculous to claim it as a fact that he's going to one of the manchester clubs, if you say it's a feeling you have or hunch, sure, but to state it emphatically is ridiculous imo.

The dynamics in the market was different this time around and it helped us. Everyone knows Havetz and Werner would have ended up at a different club in a regular market, we made the best of the situation. We could very well have ended up with different set of players. 

U see Lampard admiration as a big factor while I dont ... nothing ridiculous about it. 

BTW sometimes u just need players who can perform instead of "generational talents" in your team ... If Tammy performs then it would be surely ridiculous to replace him. 

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5 minutes ago, Milan said:

This is not the first time I have actually seen you use this and I was wondering (because it kept confusing me lol) - should it not be 'Could not care less'? Or is it used on purpose for a specifix reason? By no means is this a dig aimed at you but I like the English language and would like to know more, since you have been writting really decent English on this forum.

Hope this helps.

https://www.learnersdictionary.com/qa/What-is-the-Difference-between-I-Couldn-t-Care-Less-and-I-Could-Care-Less-

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Didn't we have Werner, Tammy, and Giroud on the pitch at the same time already this year? Werner plays well off another striker. I could see Lampard wanting both Werner and Haaland....not saying it is going to happen.

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21 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yes but think we also got lucky that the other clubs suffered financial hits from the pandemic. If the pandemic had not happened, I highly doubt we would have gotten Havertz and Werner for example as easily as we did. Bayern or Real Madrid would have likely signed Havertz and Liverpool may well have gotten Werner before we suddenly swooped in. 

It's true but if we are to get Haaland, next summer would be our best chance for sure. United need a new CB and DM, won't go for him most likely, Real will go for Mbappe and maybe Camavinga, Barca are broke as fuck no chance, no room at PSG, that leaves only us and City, I definitely think this is possible but we will see until next year it's a lot and Lampard would need to improve us quite a bit to show his vision is palpable and not sweet words to convince players.

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11 minutes ago, coolhead23 said:

The dynamics in the market was different this time around and it helped us. Everyone knows Havetz and Werner would have ended up at a different club in a regular market, we made the best of the situation. We could very well have ended up with different set of players. 

U see Lampard admiration as a big factor while I dont ... nothing ridiculous about it. 

BTW sometimes u just need players who can perform instead of "generational talents" in your team ... If Tammy performs then it would be surely ridiculous to replace him. 

The players we've signed all said he was a huge factor, if Haland already admires lamps, I don't see how it wouldn't be a factor but agree to disagree I guess.

I am however very happy that roman seems to be much more ambitious than you are when it comes to going for top generational talents lol

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Yes yes bring phase 2 of this rebuild

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Makes sense......

Werner---Haaland

Pulisic------Havertz----Ziyech

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