Chelsea Transfers

[OneMoSalah 9,104]

25 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Connor was one of our best players last season because he suited poch, just ran and ran and ran and he was the perfect player for the way poch wants his teams to play, he's also a perfect fit for A Madrid, are you saying you want Connor to stay or are you happy with him leaving? Because if you want him to stay why? If u like him surely you want him to go and actually play for a team he will thrive in rather than sitting on the bench to rot? 

I mean its clear he will be leaving. I think him staying would have saved us needlessly spending £30m on KDH that could have been spent elsewhere. Also just like Chalobah and Disasi last summer. Needless spending on players that don’t make a real improvement on what we already have for whatever reason.

Based on what I saw v Club America from KDH he just looked like a link player between midfield and attack, looked to run beyond the attackers at times and get in to the box. Tell me what role did Conor play last season? More of less the exact same one. I suppose when we sell Broja we will probably spend whatever we get for him on a homegrown CF of the same calibre too? 

The whole way that people are turning this into a Gallagher is being greedy/wrong/should be grateful he even got an offer narrative etc when he’s being actively forced out the door is ludicrous though. I mean if this is how the club are going to continue treating academy players to comply with financial issues due to scattergun spending then they deserve every bit of criticism they have and will continue to get. 

Edited August 1, 2024 by OneMoSalah

[Pizy 19,280]

43 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Maybe he will be a poor fit - don’t necessarily think that as such - but regardless there is a way of doing things. Sends the wrong message dicking him about with this daft 2 year contract offer that realistically no professional footballer of his age with an ounce of self respect would sign.

Was the same shit with Mason in February 2023 with that 200k p/week 1 year extension offer - although was a bit different as he’d made it clear he wouldn’t resign for wages on offer. The club tried to spin it as a way to take pressure off of contract negotiations and said they would renegotiate further down the line which was bull, they just wanted more leverage to demand a higher fee when it came to selling him. 

Its blatantly obvious what they are trying to do with Conor and looks like they will finally get what they want - although not for £50m - as Atletico move sounds like it may happen. Lets just hope that it works out but the club are more than likely trying to save face by informing the media about how it was a top financial packages in line with other high earning players at the club etc. I mean why else would details like that miraculously make it to the press 👍?

Again missing the point….

And even then, Conor was one of our best players last season so not sure what you’re trying to prove here with such a statement?

Could say if anyone of our players (barring a handful) had the same season they had last season for another club ie. WHU or Bournemouth, we wouldn’t consider signing them for £35m or £50m…. and some of these guys cost a lot more than that!

 

36 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Connor was one of our best players last season because he suited poch, just ran and ran and ran and he was the perfect player for the way poch wants his teams to play, he's also a perfect fit for A Madrid, are you saying you want Connor to stay or are you happy with him leaving? Because if you want him to stay why? If u like him surely you want him to go and actually play for a team he will thrive in rather than sitting on the bench to rot? 

Spot on, @YorkshireBlue. Repeatedly saying “he was one of our best players” in a season in which we were dogshit for much of it isn’t some massive achievement. He thrived is a chaotic, system-less team.

Again, he is a good player. He’ll run around nonstop, disrupt play, work his socks off, and chip in with a rare goal or assist. He is a pure “passion player.”  Someone who, if you watched him playing for a lesser team, you’d say “yeah, he’s a solid midtable midfielder.” 

[LAM09 7,091]

17 hours ago, Strike said:

We tried to sell him for a decent price but he didn’t move. Now we sell him this month or risk getting nothing. How are people believing we will get any more money for Connor? There is no market 

We're talking about the present, not the past. I don't know where you are getting the idea that Atletico is the ONLY team interested in him. If Gallagher thinks he's better than the likes of Palace or West Ham, that's a whole different story in itself.

Recent developments mean it's only a matter of time till he leaves regardless of how low the offer might be.

Edited August 2, 2024 by LAM09

[DDA 10,241]

Rejected 2 offers.. the guy has heart but comon lad, chill your beans. Time to run your heart out for Diego.

[robsblubot 3,595]

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

10 of those 11 goals came against teams from 16th place to 20th. 4 against worst team Norwich. I spoke a lot about Mount first 3 seasons and narrative was always he scores rarely and only against worst teams and majority assists come from set pieces. Always believed he was Championship player but uncle Frank made him a career although he is exposed last couple of years. 

Also find it surprising that you are rating him considering you are Brazilian who traditionally are all about Joga Bonito 🤙 He is the opposite, without talent and just industrial work horse which when said about attacker is horrible. If born in Brazil he wouldn't be allowed to play beach football. 

Your points are contradictory though: you don't value enough huge performances on the big stage. And at the same time you said that his PL record was against smaller clubs. So, which one was it?

If we get that sorted than I can answer the second part. 😉

Edited August 2, 2024 by robsblubot

[NikkiCFC 8,516]

21 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Your points are contradictory though: you don't value enough huge performances on the big stage. And at the same time you said that his PL record is against smaller clubs. So, which one was it?

If we get that sorted than I can answer the second part. 😉

I value ofc huge performances but one or two games don't say anything about certain player even at biggest stage. Only goal in World Cup final doesn't make Gotze top player. He had disappointing career considering expectations. You know who made assist for that goal? Schurrle who year later left from Chelsea and had bang average career. 

Mount played EURO and World Cup for England and I remember whole nation was screaming for him to be dropped all tournament and in the end he was both times. Cup finals are big games and in 2022 he cost us two trophies. Missed sitters and crucial pen. 

Also everyone looked great in that Tuchel team at least in CL campaign. And going into details Mount didn't do much against Atletico. Was even suspended for second leg. Scored great goal against Porto but they are mid table PL quality. Even goal against Madrid was dead goal late in the second leg when Madrid went all attack. We would progress even without it. Werner, Pulisic, Havertz, Ziyech, Giroud, Emerson, Chilwell all scored goals in that knockout stage. 

In general, he was always frustrating attacker because he is missing in 80% of games so cannot justify his place in a team. This is about prime Mount. This current one idk, he is just there to collect paychecks. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

I value ofc huge performances but one or two games don't say anything about certain player even at biggest stage. Only goal in World Cup final doesn't make Gotze top player. He had disappointing career considering expectations. You know who made assist for that goal? Schurrle who year later left from Chelsea and had bang average career. 

Mount played EURO and World Cup for England and I remember whole nation was screaming for him to be dropped all tournament and in the end he was both times. Cup finals are big games and in 2022 he cost us two trophies. Missed sitters and crucial pen. 

Also everyone looked great in that Tuchel team at least in CL campaign. And going into details Mount didn't do much against Atletico. Was even suspended for second leg. Scored great goal against Porto but they are mid table PL quality. Even goal against Madrid was dead goal late in the second leg when Madrid went all attack. We would progress even without it. Werner, Pulisic, Havertz, Ziyech, Giroud, Emerson, Chilwell all scored goals in that knockout stage. 

In general, he was always frustrating attacker because he is missing in 80% of games so cannot justify his place in a team. This is about prime Mount. This current one idk, he is just there to collect paychecks. 

One thing I've learned is that we shouldn't discuss opinions if we disagree about the facts. Nothing you wrote above makes any sense to me, so, agree to disagree.

I'm glad that England finally sorted their Mount problem though.

Edited August 2, 2024 by robsblubot

[lluubbeenn 188]

If we manage to stay more or less injury free, Gallagher’s absence shouldn’t be felt that badly. It will be harder to take our 6 point off Palace, as he scores against them for fun. 😀

As for the price we are one of the 10 biggest/richest clubs in the world. Every one of these clubs buys players mostly on inflated prices and sells for cheap. Only way to get top money is a transfer between these clubs. 

[bigbluewillie 1,979]

Aston Villa have reached a deal with Chelsea for Belgium striker Romelu Lukaku, but the 31-year-old wants to join Antonio Conte's Napoli. (Il Mattino, in Italian - subscription needed), external

[Vesper 31,110]

On 30/07/2024 at 23:46, mkh said:

After having their first offer of 18 million euros (5M fixed + 13M triggers) turned down

lol, I started reading that and thought that was the Atleti offer for Gallagher!!

almost reflex tossed a glass at the wall

🤪

[Vesper 31,110]

On 31/07/2024 at 12:38, Reddish-Blue said:

the rest of the squad is one of the weakest I've seen at Chelsea in a long long time, particularly in key positions such as GK, CB, ST.

this is true

especially at CB

where I really believe we are fucked

[YorkshireBlue 3,345]

6 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tell me what role did Conor play last season

Connors role last season was to run more than any other midfielder, yes he also did play link too the midfield and many pointed out his huge flaws and why he can't play that role, could Connor have been one of the reason we struggled so much to link the midfield to our forwards? KDH has been brought in to fulfil that role at hopefully a higher standard, even from game one you can instantly see not only does he have a better eye for a pass, but he can pull of the pass aswell. Now if you don't think he's an upgrade than that's your opinion and that's fine, my whole point in the first place was please don't call others stupid for not agreeing with your opinion, Lucio has gone we don't need another one 🤣

Edited August 2, 2024 by YorkshireBlue

[Special Juan 28,765]

We are defo fucked at the back if we start selecting Tosin week in and week out

[YorkshireBlue 3,345]

5 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

We are defo fucked at the back if we start selecting Tosin week in and week out

Not been impressed by tosin?

[Special Juan 28,765]

Just now, YorkshireBlue said:

Not been impressed by tosin?

Wasn't when he was at Fulham, so far here he's clumsy and just a bog average defender 

[King Kante 1,643]

10 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Kicking off at 30 to 35m selling price, so yeah, complain all season long, now kick off he's going to be sold when the majority here werr asking for this all season, now they have there wish, even worse is complaining then saying he's worth more and club treating him like shit for actually offering him a contract which he refused so now that's the clubs fault.... People need to grow the fuck up and stop whining like little girls about shit they asked for in the first place, don't ask for cake then refuse to fucking eat it.

Find it a bit strange that you say people are kicking off about this then proceed to kick off yourself. 

As for the contract, if you honestly believe a 1+1 (don't forget he has 1 year still) extension is not the club trying a PR effort/trying to protect the value of Gallagher's fee, then you're quite simply being obtuse imo as it has no correlation with anything else the club does in terms of contract length/guarantees. If you've got evidence to counter that, then please provide it. 

As for me, last Summer I did not want to sell Gallagher as I said Caicedo was essentially not much of a better player than him and I also think KDH is not a much better player but both of them are slightly better system fits. It is why I believe Lavia - if he stays fit - will relegate Caicedo to the 'ratter' role which is likely to be CM2/3 when we have less of the ball/play more technical teams and need to gey in and about them, whereas KDH and Enzo will play when we are more progressive. Imo, I just don't see how buying such players and causing constant turnover of playing staff makes sense, when the gains are so minimal. That is before we even get to Trev vs Disaster and Tosin, where I actually believe the latter two are a downgrade (albeit not a massive one.) 

8 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

People keep referencing the contract offered as 'not valuing him' but they offered to make him one of the highest paid midfielders at the club and these are reports coming from Ornstein, Romano. 

There's every chance they could have offered him a nice 5 year deal (as most of the people here are mentioning) but there's no guarantee that they would have given those sorts of wages.  

As I ask above, please provide examples of where the Clearlake have done this before? It is quite obvious that he wasn't ever going to accept it and it allows the club to sell and then deflect. If you want him sold, fair enough, but let's not become a shrill for the board. 

8 hours ago, Pizy said:

If Gallagher had the exact same season he just had for West Ham or Everton or Bournemouth and we were linked with him for £50m or even £35m our entire fanbase would be in Chernobyl level meltdown. And if one of our rivals were doing the same we’d be laughing at them for buying him instead of a truly elite level midfielder. 
 

 

This is all fine and well, if we were buying proven talents that were obviously upgrades. Last season we literally saw the club buy Disaster for £35m to try and sell Trev for £25m. Disaster then proceeded to be one of the worst CB's we've had in living memory and Trev came back and took his place after a long injury almost instanenously and our form picked up immediately. 

People are talking about this making so much sense, but that relies on KDH stepping up and exceeding Gallaghers output. This isn't about people thinking Gallagher is WC it is about how the club don't buy well enough and only provide us within minimal upgrades or even downgrades. 

For me, Gallagher's sale is one thing (I appreciate he isn't a system fit) it is just the pretending that:

a) the extension wasn't a obvious ploy by the club to curry favour with the fan base and not a real offer Gallagher was ever likely to accept.

and;

B) the boards general transfer strategy.

That is winding people up. By all means, sell Gallagher and Trev, but just don't go replacing them with downgrades (Disaster/Tosin) or players of a similar level (KDH) as otherwise what is the point?

[YorkshireBlue 3,345]

43 minutes ago, King Kante said:

If you've got evidence to counter that, then please provide it.

Don't need evidence, Connor doesn't come with a huge transfer fee, there is no need to give him a lengthy contract to help them out with FFP regulations. Everybody knows Connor is a bad fit and probably so do the club, so a one 1+1 gives them a season to see if he works in this new system and if he does they have a year to offer him a better deal, if they offer him 5 years and he can't do it, then you have a player sitting on your bench collecting as much as your best paid midfielders and not playing.. all depends on the way your willing to look at it, I don't look at everything the club is doing as a way to destroy the club so when I see stuff like this I don't automatically go in to conspiracy mode.

[ulvhedin 526]

Andrey Santos loaned out to Strasbourg, one less from crowded team:

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/andrey-santos-joins-strasbourg-on-loan

[Mhsc 1,146]

Osimhen rumours seem to have gone quiet. Julian Alvarez ones quiet too. Beier was the latest rumour I saw with Villa and us both interested as he has a 30m clause and out performed his xG in a great year last year and only 21 years old...very Clearlake type signing, if that goes anywhere.

Certainly seems like the club think NJ+Guiu is not the answer at the mo. I wonder if they have in mind that NJ could sort out the winger problem if we had a good no. 9?

[Pizy 19,280]

21 minutes ago, Mhsc said:

Osimhen rumours seem to have gone quiet. Julian Alvarez ones quiet too. Beier was the latest rumour I saw with Villa and us both interested as he has a 30m clause and out performed his xG in a great year last year and only 21 years old...very Clearlake type signing, if that goes anywhere.

Certainly seems like the club think NJ+Guiu is not the answer at the mo. I wonder if they have in mind that NJ could sort out the winger problem if we had a good no. 9?

The negotiations (if they’re actually happening) are probably hugely complicated with us trying to get Napoli to pay a bit more for Lukaku and them wanting us to either buy Osimhen outright for larger than we’re offering or having a buy obligation rather than just an option. And then there’s Osimhen’s massive wages.