Chelsea Transfers

[JDY 1,290]

3 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

Any idea when the current assessment period ends?

[JDY 1,290]

32 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Pedro Neto simply doesn't score nearly enough

hard pass

 

Missing out on Raphinha is such a huge blow looking back now. I was fairly relaxed about him snubbing us as I thought it meant we'd get Dembele..truly mudded. Can't even see who we'd possibly target who would be nearly as good as either. 😩

[Vesper 28,802]

13 hours ago, JDY said:

Missing out on Raphinha is such a huge blow looking back now. I was fairly relaxed about him snubbing us as I thought it meant we'd get Dembele..truly mudded. Can't even see who we'd possibly target who would be nearly as good as either. 😩

yes!

I cannot believe we missed out on BOTH, ffs

RW is a fairly weak global position, especially left-footers

after Salah, Foden, Saka, and Bernardo Silva (who is a MFer as well)  all 4 of whom are are left footers, there is a large drop off in RWers overall, down to the injured (if he fully recovers he joins the top group) Chiesa (who is a right footer anyway and often plays on the left) and then true RWers Raphinha (left footer, who can also become truly elite) and Moussa Diaby (left footer, same as Raphinha) and Jarrod Bowen (perhaps eleite), then 3 more right footers, Gnabry, Coman, and Rodrygo

 

the ONLY remotely decent left footed (or ambipedal) wingers (not just RW) out there atm are

 

(RWers in bold. and there are, atm only 6 elite left footed RWers out there, plus the ambipedal Dembele)

the ones in red are players I would take (I am listing many who are not even available, like Son and Salah, etc) (I am not even bothering with Messi on the list)

Mohamed Salah 
Phil Foden
Bukayo Saka
Bernardo Silva can play almost anywhere in MF (other than DMF) or on either wing
Moussa Diaby  
Mikel Oyarzabal    plays majority at LW (bad knee injury, not available until summer 2023)
Leroy Sané    plays majority at LW
Raphinha   grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Jarrod Bowen
Dejan Kulusevski  
Riyad Mahrez 

 

big dropoff

Marco Asensio  
Antony  
Domenico Berardi    
Nicolò Zaniolo   
Pedro Neto    plays majority at LW
Charles De Ketelaere
Filip Kostic plays majority at LW/LWB
Michael Olise 
Thomas Lemar 
Nicolás González   plays either wing
Leon Bailey    plays majority at LW
Viktor Tsygankov    
Pablo Sarabia    
Maxwel Cornet   plays majority at LW and LWB  grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 
Noni Madueke    
Bryan Mbeumo 
Romain Faivre
Tetê    
Malcom   
David Neres   
Francisco Trincão   
Samuel Chukwueze
Dwight McNeil   plays majority at LW     
Kayky   
Luiz Henrique  
Ángel Di María   
Giovani    18yo   Palmeiras

 

and 5 ambipedal wingers

Heung-min Son  plays majority at LW
Ousmane Dembélé   grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Rayan Cherki    18, very soon 19yo youth on Lyon, has a BIT of Eden Hazard about him
Lucas Ocampos  plays majority at LW
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia   plays majority at LW 21yo  just joined Napoli or would be red

 

Rayan Cherki

   

Edited August 8, 2022 by Vesper

[Blues11 213]

3 hours ago, JDY said:

Missing out on Raphinha is such a huge blow looking back now. I was fairly relaxed about him snubbing us as I thought it meant we'd get Dembele..truly mudded. Can't even see who we'd possibly target who would be nearly as good as either. 😩

Definitely would have loved Raphina but I can also see why wingers don't want to play in this system. They don't have the same space and leave the width to the wingbacks so you don't have as many chances to take players one on one. Wish we were more diverse offensively depending on the situation and opponent. 

Sterling has experience playing centrally so that was a great pickup. 

Doesn't look like anything will change so we really need a striker before anything else in attack.

[lucio 5,418]

Forgot about ocampos , underrated baller 

[Strike 7,217]

If Werner and CHO are on the way out, then Ziyech's Milan move must be off.

[cosmicway 1,323]

10 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Still with this silliness? Oh well. 😀

It has happened before.

[Jype 6,398]

54 minutes ago, Strike said:

If Werner and CHO are on the way out, then Ziyech's Milan move must be off.

Not sure.

Havertz, Broja, Sterling, Mount, Pulisic and one more is fine for depth. If really needed, Gallagher or Carney can play in the front three as well. Last couple of seasons the squad's been too bloated so trimming it to a more healthy level of competition is not a bad thing IMO.

[Special Juan 27,428]

Talks this morning of Zaha

[Jype 6,398]

20 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Talks this morning of Zaha

I actually wouldn't mind him at this point. Never was that big a fan when previously linked to him but after seeing all these expensive big name  attacking signings from other leagues not being all that great (Lukaku, Werner, Havertz, Pulisic, Ziyech) and our own Hudson-Odoi not developing as much as we'd hoped I wouldn't necessarily say no to Zaha anymore. He's a PL proven player who averages around 15 G+A in the league per season and can play any position in the front three.

Not a world class player by any means but would improve the squad and for me definitely a better punt than someone like Depay or Aubameyang. The forward market is really dry at the moment, as proved by United's pursuit of Arnautovic.

Zaha's contract at Palace runs out in 2023 so maybe he'd be available at a decent price too? 

Edited August 8, 2022 by Jype

[bigbluewillie 1,859]

1 hour ago, Jype said:

I actually wouldn't mind him at this point. Never was that big a fan when previously linked to him but after seeing all these expensive big name  attacking signings from other leagues not being all that great (Lukaku, Werner, Havertz, Pulisic, Ziyech) and our own Hudson-Odoi not developing as much as we'd hoped I wouldn't necessarily say no to Zaha anymore. He's a PL proven player who averages around 15 G+A in the league per season and can play any position in the front three.

Not a world class player by any means but would improve the squad and for me definitely a better punt than someone like Depay or Aubameyang. The forward market is really dry at the moment, as proved by United's pursuit of Arnautovic.

Zaha's contract at Palace runs out in 2023 so maybe he'd be available at a decent price too? 

After he failed miserably at Manure.

They chucked him back to Palace, where he's never reached his previous form.

So no thanks

[OhForAGreavsie 5,892]

1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

It has happened before.

No, I don't believe that it has.

[Jype 6,398]

Just now, bigbluewillie said:

After he failed miserably at Manure.

They chucked him back to Palace, where he's never reached his previous form.

So no thanks

'Never reached his previous form'?

Before his failed Man Utd stint (age 20 btw) he had only ever played for Palace in the Championship where he scored 6 league goals a season.

Since going back to Palace he's played 8 years in the PL and aside from a blip in form in 2019/20 he's been very consistent with his level for a long time, averaging around 10 non-penalty goals a season for the last 5-6 years. If that's not 'reaching his previous form' I really don't know what is.

Like I said in my previous reply I'm under no illusion Zaha's a top class player but he's still a good one. I wouldn't pay a big fee for him but if available on a reasonable deal I wouldn't say no.

[ulvhedin 507]

If we had more sure options already and didn't need game changer immediately I wouldn't mind going for Ismaila Sarr

[chelsea_4_eva 1,157]

Sometimes with Zaha for me is that you can tell what kind of game he's going to have by the first 25 minutes, kinda like a mood player. Sometimes when he starts a game poorly he seems to not bother/try for the rest of the match. Also opponents get under his skin way too easily, he seems to always be having a go at somebody.

[Vesper 28,802]

We need a RWer, preferably a lefty, and a CF

hardly any left at either position who meet my test of quality

we may have to do a dumpster dive of desperation, arrrffff

 

Only RWers I really rate that we have a shot at atm are

 

Jarrod Bowen left footer
Moussa Diaby   left footer

Leroy Sané   left footer  plays either wing, but huge salary and doesn't want to really leave

Kingsley Coman, exact same as Sane

Rayan Cherki  ambipedal (soon 19yo youth from Lyon) dice roll IF we expect him to step in and play huge minutes, but has a huge upside

Bernardo Silva can play there, but doubt Citeh would sell him to us

Rafael Leão is a LWer, right footed, crazy expensive, almost never plays on the RW, so he is a pass atm

Bonus and the CF

Arnaut Danjuma who is a CF (my 2nd choice remaining after Osimhen) but also plays either wing, downsude for him as a winger, he is a right footer, and plays more on the LW

Edited August 8, 2022 by Vesper

[Last Sicarius 610]

1 minute ago, Vesper said:

We need a RWer, preferably a lefty, and a CF

hardly any left at either position who meet my test of quality

we may have to do a dumpster dive of desperation, arrrffff

 

Only RWers I really rate that we have a shot at atm are

 

Jarrod Bowen left footer
Moussa Diaby   left footer

Leroy Sané   left footer  plays either wing, but huge salary and doesn't want to really leave

Kingsley Coman, exact same as Sane
Mikel Oyarzabal   left footer, can play either wing

Rayan Cherki  ambipedal (soon 19yo youth from Lyon) dice roll IF we expect him to step in and play huge minutes, but ha sa huge ipside

Bernardo Silva can play there, but doubt Citeh would sell him to us

Rafael Leão is a LWer, right footed, crazy expensive, almost never plays on the RW, so he is a pass atm

Bonus and the CF

Arnaut Danjuma who is a CF (my 2nd choice remaining after Osimhen) but also plays either wing, downsude for him as a winger, he is a right footer, and plays more on the LW

Bowen would be dream.Already proven in league, english player. But he is second most important player for WHU with Rice. No easy deal.
Sane sounds okey as he is also proven but if he has big salary... no thanks/

Bilva... but this not happend.

Leao, there was some rumours earlier but he will cost big money.
Sadly after Raphinha not many good options 😕 

[cosmicway 1,323]

33 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

No, I don't believe that it has.

One thousand times.