Vesper 31,045 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 54 minutes ago, chef said: do this! why the hell would we buy a player (Michael Olise) who just ripped up his hamstring and had major surgery???? are we fucking that stupid to buy MORE damaged goods????? Hamilton, Artandur and bigbluewillie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundalf 806 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, King Kante said: Goeretzka (sorry for spelling) is available. I would be all over him. Goretzka said he will definitely stay at Bayern. Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,665 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 52 minutes ago, Mário César said: the problem is that if we buy 2 midfielders, next season we will be overload in this area again caicedo (?), enzo, another buy (?), chuk, casadei and santos its too much If we're keen on a 2nd midfielder, we should be looking for someone with experience like what United did with Casemiro/Eriksen. 1 hour ago, Mhsc said: Onana would absolutely lift our team levels, because he is a serious premier league quality DM who fills a hole for us. I do not think we should subsequently NOT sign Caicedo, if it can be done for sensible money. But Onana would bring something totally different to our midfield that we need, is affordable and versatile. I just don't see it, Onana looks a decent player but he won't be "lifting" any top 6 midfield to the next level at this stage of his career. Probably the reason why none of the top 6 are actually after him (that will probably change in 2-3 seasons time if he continues to develop and become a game changer for Everton). Compare that to Lavia where pretty much everyone is keen on him but everything has gone quiet since the Liverpool links started to appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundalf 806 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, King Kante said: We need more experience imo. Silva is the only one in the squad who has been there and done it and he is 39. Sterling is very experienced, and, funny enough, our worst attacker. James, The Rising Sun, Vesper and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mhsc 1,139 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said: If we're going to end up selling all these kids, then why bother buying them? Especially when the club have just appointed a manager who has a pretty good track record with youngsters... not saying that they all make it but Casadei/Santos already look a level above some of the other young midfielders that we've had on the books in recent years. If even 1 becomes a Chelsea level player and we sell the rest for similar or more than we paid, it is good business and squad building. Unrealistic to expect they all make it, for sure they will make it at PL level but the reason most youth don’t make it at a club like Chelsea is that we are trying to be the elite in the PL, not just another PL club. Norfolkblue1961 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mhsc 1,139 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 23 minutes ago, Thor said: If we get Caceido and get rid of Gallagher - I think keeping Santos and Casadei in the team to grow is perfect. Both look good enough to fill minutes IMO. You have Reece who can slot into DMF as well. Kudus comes in - and you have the CAM position locked up with him and Nkunku, and also Mudryk who can rotate into there. ST - Jackson, Broja, Nkunku LW - Mudryk, Sterling, Maatsen RW - Madueke, Kudus, Ziyech CAM - Nkunku, Kudus, Mudryk CM - Enzo, Caceido, Casadei, Santos There is enough there. There is a lot to digest here but you want Ziyech in the squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,817 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, King Kante said: We need more experience imo. Silva is the only one in the squad who has been there and done it and he is 39. We aren't challenging for the title next season. Top 4 with that lot is possible though. They get more experience through playing. The core we have is pretty damn talented. This season is about seeing what works and sure up the gaps from there. bigbluewillie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,817 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Just now, Mhsc said: There is a lot to digest here but you want Ziyech in the squad? No. But currently he is at Chelsea... I'm saying in the unlikely case everyone is injured... he is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Gundalf said: Sterling is very experienced, and, funny enough, our worst attacker. Well, possibly. We cannot rely on preseason to tell us how these young players are going to adapt to a full PL season. Atm, Sterling and Silva our the only experienced players. That isn't enough imo. We need some experience to calm things down when the going gets tough. Additionally, what we have seen from pre-season isn't enough to judge how they'll perform in the more pressurised PL environment. 15 minutes ago, Thor said: We aren't challenging for the title next season. Top 4 with that lot is possible though. They get more experience through playing. The core we have is pretty damn talented. This season is about seeing what works and sure up the gaps from there. Nothing about winning the league. However, I am not sure about top 4. Atm, we have an incredibly young team who have very little experience in the league. For sure, they could all turn out great like Utd's class of 92, but even those boys' had people like Bruce, Pallister, Keane, Schmeichel around them. Atm, who have we got that can guide them on the pitch when things get tough? An example of what I mean was actually seen in the Brighton game when Colwill just dived in for no need. Those sort of things happen with kids and you need players on the pitch to calm them down when they do. Who have we got that can do this? Silva, for sure, but outside of that no-one. This is also before we get yo us trying to move to a back 4 which Silva is going to have to adapt with his now 39 year old legs. My worry with this squad is a tailspin and lack of depth. Edited July 25, 2023 by King Kante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mhsc 1,139 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Experience is supposed to help us in tough situations but Sterling has folded in every instance for us, so I don't think we can count him as one of the experienced helpful heads. I think Thiago and Kepa are the only players we might consider experienced heads that bring some kind of actually useful experience to the table. It is a little light for sure and if Thiago was out of the XI we'd definitely be lacking. I don't think we'll add much experience due to the salaries such players would tend to demand, until possibly replacing Thiago with a similar mould when it is finally time for him to hang up his boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,045 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gundalf said: Sterling is very experienced, and, funny enough, our worst attacker. well Hakim Ziyech Callum Hudson-Odoi are actually worse (how depressing is that!) , but BOTH need to be sold ASAP and I would sell Sterling too (Saudis want him badly) I wonder what Poch thinks of Nicolás González 14 goals, 5 assists as a LWer last season in only 2,663 minutes that is around 30 total goals produced per 4000 minutes 24 caps for Argentina Sr national team good size (5-11, ie. 1.80m) and pacy turned 25yo in April, so is in prime years Edited July 25, 2023 by Vesper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,045 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 6 hours ago, FrankLampard007 said: We should rather give Real 100m for Tchouaméni or Camavinga than giving 80m to Brighton for Caicedo. Another alternative would be Lavia and Veiga for something like 80-90m. But please go away from Caicedo and Brighton who want to fk us up. Caicedo is not worth more than 60m. In 2 years we would sell him for 25m when Santos, Chukwuemeka, Casadei are in their prime time. it would not take £100m for Tchou I think £77m to £82m (€90 to €95m) would do it Real need cash for Mbappe Camavinga would be a harder pull, they rate him more than Tchou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Vesper said: it would not take £100m for Tchou I think £77m to £82m (€90 to €95m) would do it Real need cash for Mbappe Camavinga would be a harder pull, they rate him more than Tchou Tchou fits us better anyway. If there is a chance to get him for less than Caicedo we should try. Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,045 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Cannot Mbappe just say fuck it and refuse to move until next season, so go to Real om a free and for massive wages/bonus as he can insist on a bump due to no transfer fee? He has €150m from PSG coming for this season due to the loyalty bonus plus his wages, so the lad is not hurting for cash at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 I doubt Real would make the same mistake like they did in 2002 by selling their only DM to fund a Galatico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,045 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said: Tchou fits us better anyway. If there is a chance to get him for less than Caicedo we should try. absolutely We all know I tossed the toys from the pram when our board refused to buy him (fucking scouts said they had major doubts, the cunts) for £40m to £50m from Monaco the season before he moved to Real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankLampard007 18 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Vesper said: it would not take £100m for Tchou I think £77m to £82m (€90 to €95m) would do it Real need cash for Mbappe Camavinga would be a harder pull, they rate him more than Tchou yes that is true. And i rate tchou and camavinga over caceido. caceido ist just overpriced because of brighton and the prem. but i think we will buy caceido for 100m because todd doesn't have the balls to walk away from this stupid deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,942 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 It’s time to bring in the closer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 19,252 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, Vesper said: Cannot Mbappe just say fuck it and refuse to move until next season, so go to Real om a free and for massive wages/bonus as he can insist on a bump due to no transfer fee? He has €150m from PSG coming for this season due to the loyalty bonus plus his wages, so the lad is not hurting for cash at all. I mean, he could for sure. But reports are that PSG will try to fuck with him by leaving him out of their UCL squad and leave him out of the preseason tour. Whether he himself cares about that, I don’t know. Seems like they’d be hurting themselves in that scenario way more than they’re hurting him. Plus, if PSG treat him poorly it’ll make them look terrible to future top players. They REALLY fucked up letting him get into this situation contractually. They were silly to think he’d just abandon his Real Madrid dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 28 minutes ago, Vesper said: Cannot Mbappe just say fuck it and refuse to move until next season, so go to Real om a free and for massive wages/bonus as he can insist on a bump due to no transfer fee? He has €150m from PSG coming for this season due to the loyalty bonus plus his wages, so the lad is not hurting for cash at all. I think this is what will happen. I cannot see him agreeing to go to Saudi. The reputational damage would be too much. First, as he would be seen as a pure money grabber, second, his sponsors would have political issues with LGBTQ+ and human rights groups. As you say. He has plenty of money coming regardless, he doesn't need Saudi as long term it could cost him a lot more. Only out I see, is a loan where PSG have to subsidise it. Another European club would take him for half his wages for a year. However, I cannot see anyone saving PSG with a massive loan fee plus cover his €2m+ wages a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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