MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, LAM09 said: If I'm thirsty, would you rather I died of dehydration than have the only other alternative? The above echoes the obvious. Tuchel wanted Haaland & Kane; if you think those players aren't significantly better than Lukaku, I'm already fighting a losing battle. I'd rather you keep drinking the same drink that helped you perform at the highest level and build on that, vs replacing that drink and ruining everything by getting a lemonade brand that was always destined to make you sick. Perhaps you view Tuchel as some mythical figure that can do no wrong, but you've seriously deluded yourself if you think he has no accountability on the Lukaku signing or that the club went over his head and got Lukaku without his permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Gundalf said: You really think that if plan A is not possible the owners of clubs just randomly sign an alternative not based on coaches suggestions? LOL Generally not, but the Lukkaku signing bears a feeling of a lot of desperation, ambition, pettiness, miscommunication and drama, not exactly happening on manager level but rather way higher up. Besides, manager's targets list is one thing, but the Tottenham documentary portrayed just Levy and his people, digging up people on their computer after failing one target after another, no manager involved. May not be the case for City and such, but with enough level of crisis in club, I guess this kind of stuff may be happening quite often. It's just as much sport as it is business after all (yeah, we have Pulisic in the team btw). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,051 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 48 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: I'd rather you keep drinking the same drink that helped you perform at the highest level and build on that, vs replacing that drink and ruining everything by getting a lemonade brand that was always destined to make you sick. Perhaps you view Tuchel as some mythical figure that can do no wrong, but you've seriously deluded yourself if you think he has no accountability on the Lukaku signing or that the club went over his head and got Lukaku without his permission. Highest level aka finishing in the top 4 thanks to Tottenham..... Tuchel just happens to be part of this particular conversation. However, my rationale applies to every manager aside from Mourinho, as I stated in another post. I've never once said Tuchel or any other manager shouldn't be held accountable for transfers. My issues have always been with those that say "X was useless in the transfer market" when the large majority of signings were at the very least 4, 5, or even six on a list of targets for those during their tenure. Vegetable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Tuchel stans are weird, the man himself said Lukaku was his signing. We won the CL, we didn’t need to splash a club record to weaken the team we had. You guys are using weird analogies; Lukaku is not lemonade or some drink, he was poison. That money could have been spent elsewhere to make the team better, we used it to make the team worse. All of the signings we have done is class above the signings we had done when Tuchel was here. He is quite lucky to get sacked early in the season, because we would be in the same position as we are now. He would get a lot of blame for this shit, instead Chelsea fans have him on a pedestal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Clockwork said: He is quite lucky to get sacked early in the season, because we would be in the same position as we are now. He would get a lot of blame for this shit, instead Chelsea fans have him on a pedestal. Well, I guess we could be suffering as well, but we'd easily have 15 or so more points from effortlessly winnable games, where we were basically trashed tactically and selection-wise. With Tuchel, but also Sarri, Mou, Conte or any manager, experienced in the trade. Also morale is a thing. It's different to have 10 games to go and have Europa League secured, and different with 10 games to go and relegation not being an abstract concept. Strike, Blue Armour, OneMoSalah and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,051 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Clockwork said: Tuchel stans are weird, the man himself said Lukaku was his signing. We won the CL, we didn’t need to splash a club record to weaken the team we had. You guys are using weird analogies; Lukaku is not lemonade or some drink, he was poison. That money could have been spent elsewhere to make the team better, we used it to make the team worse. All of the signings we have done is class above the signings we had done when Tuchel was here. He is quite lucky to get sacked early in the season, because we would be in the same position as we are now. He would get a lot of blame for this shit, instead Chelsea fans have him on a pedestal. If you want to insult others, at least have the gall to quote them. 😉 I think you should direct your anger to Roman's right-hand lady in this case. Edited April 20, 2023 by LAM09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 lol, the club is now so shit that we are turning on each other! just chillax mates! Hamilton, Vegetable and Blue Armour 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, Vegetable said: Well, I guess we could be suffering as well, but we'd easily have 15 or so more points from effortlessly winnable games, where we were basically trashed tactically and selection-wise. With Tuchel, but also Sarri, Mou, Conte or any manager, experienced in the trade. Also morale is a thing. It's different to have 10 games to go and have Europa League secured, and different with 10 games to go and relegation not being an abstract concept. Tuchel lost to current last place Southhampton and Dinamo Zagreb, you actually out of your mind if you didn't think where this was going. Some serious revisionist going on. Potter appointment had a short turnaround actually. Tuchel was not going to survive the whole season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 'Boehly signed who?!?' Edited April 20, 2023 by Vesper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) Roman, Boehly, Tuchel, and Potter are all at fault for this current shit. Roman and his regime for not resigning Rudigar and AC, that was a big loss in leadership. Stop making one party faultless and the other scapegoat. Edited April 20, 2023 by Clockwork Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundalf 806 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Clockwork said: Roman, Boehly, Tuchel, and Potter are all at fault for this current shit. Roman and his regime for not resigning Rudigar and AC, that was a big loss in leadership. Stop making one party faultless and the other scapegoat. Lets not forget it was Roman who hired Lampard the first time 💀 The last few years of the Roman Empire were really not that great tbh. CL win did cover a lot of problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdlk 286 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Just to Tuchel haters, how much finals he played with Chelsea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,818 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, gdlk said: Just to Tuchel haters, how much finals he played with Chelsea? I do not see Tuchel haters here. I see people that do keep in mind that he threw the players under the bus during preseason and did not want to work with the new owners. Tuchel created the reasons he was let go, just as he did at all previous clubs. I will always remember our run through the CL with him fondly. I will also remember how much he stepped up to stabilize the club during the sale of the club. He has flaws and those flaws came out pretty hard during the end of his tenure. I will always wish him well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Clockwork said: Tuchel lost to current last place Southhampton and Dinamo Zagreb, you actually out of your mind if you didn't think where this was going. Some serious revisionist going on. Potter appointment had a short turnaround actually. Tuchel was not going to survive the whole season. We can have all the opinions possible, as we'll never found out. In his sacking season he didn't lose two games in a row (actually always winning next game), in CL winning season lost to Brentford also. But where do you think a single lose to Southampton was going? You anticipated a record worst performance in last 25 years from this? "Turnaround" after single game lost? And it's not like Potter didn't lose to Southampton as well. Anyway, it's not about Tuchel as I said. No "elite" manager is drawing to Forest (with all respect), getting battered by Brighton, Fulham or Leeds with this squad. Or at least isn't making easy things super hard. No elite manager is sticking to players who fail every game and hopes that we will win by their individual effort as we have no serious tactics in place. And I'm quite sure any elite manager is doing to at least some of our summer signings the same thing that Tuchel did to Rudiger. Meanwhile the most expensive pack in history is just wasted and Championship-level for now. 39 minutes ago, Vesper said: lol, the club is now so shit that we are turning on each other! just chillax mates! Particularly sad thing is it stared to be full blown during the managerial change and that's one of the things that irritates me the most - we had all lost with the "vision" bs. Edited April 20, 2023 by Vegetable Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,319 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Clockwork said: Roman and his regime for not resigning Rudigar and AC, that was a big loss in leadership. Don't know why people often put Christensen in the same category as Rudiger. He was not even regular starter in best period under Tuchel. It was Azpi, Silva, Rudiger. Not to mention he never proved here he is capable of playing at high level in 4 atb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, NikkiCFC said: Don't know why people often put Christensen in the same category as Rudiger. He was not even regular starter in best period under Tuchel. It was Azpi, Silva, Rudiger. Not to mention he never proved here he is capable of playing at high level in 4 atb. Christensen has been better than Rudigar, Barca fans absolutely love him. Should have been valued more at Chelsea. Also AC had shown more promise in a back 4 when both on form, AC was phenomenal at the Euros with Denmark in a back 4, while Rudigar was back to his sus self with Germany. Edited April 21, 2023 by Clockwork OneMoSalah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,319 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 We didn't want to let Barry go because of potential semis with Bayern. He would tell them our secrets 😂 Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Reddish-Blue 2,504 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 4 hours ago, TheHulk said: Wonder how much they're willing to pay for him though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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