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[MoroccanBlue 5,399]

Aye Emenalo and Marina signing Rahman, Pato, Falcao, Papu Djiliboli, etc was a fine operational team.  
 

Or the 1 billion spent since our last title win whilst being no where near 1st place. 
 

Bang up job. 

Edited November 15, 2022 by MoroccanBlue

[Blue Armour 4,721]

42 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Aye Emenalo and Marina signing Rahman, Pato, Falcao, Papu Djiliboli, etc was a fine operational team.  
 

Or the 1 billion spent since our last title win whilst being no where near 1st place. 
 

Bang up job. 

Imagine a back line of Papi Djilobdji, Matt Miazga, Baba Rahman, with Bakoyoko as CDM

Edited November 15, 2022 by Blue Armour

[robsblubot 3,595]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Who did we have not long ago? One of the big criticisms of Roman's era was not putting this type of team together.

what type? they are nobodies 🤷‍♂️😕

[Jype 6,398]

1 hour ago, robsblubot said:

what type? they are nobodies 🤷‍♂️😕

Are they though? Sure most of them may not come with that 'elite club pedigree' but what they all share is they have plenty of experience at clubs that are pretty much universally considered to have a very good eye for finding great young talent.

- The guys brought from Brighton have been heavily involved with identifying and buying the likes of Trossard, Cucurella, Caicedo, Bissouma, MacAllister in the last few years alone for around £5-15M each. 

- Joe Shields has lots of experience from being the chief youth scout for Man City and brought for example Jadon Sancho to the club. He then got hired to be the head scout at Southampton and the players he got the club to buy (Bazunu, Bella-Kotchap and Lavia) have all been good in the EPL despite being just 18-20yo.

- Before Laurence Stewart took the Technical Director job at Monaco he was the head scout for RB Leipzig who are known to have a great track record with their signings. For example he was there when they signed Christopher Nkunku so chances are he might have had some input for that one.

- The other RB group guy Christopher Vivell was the head of the scouting department at RB Salzburg for five years (2015-2020) and together with Freund, who sadly didn't join this new recruitment team at Chelsea, he is said to have had a hand in unearthing and bringing in the likes of Erling Haaland, Karim Adeyemi and Benjamin Sesko to the club among others.

Just because you personally haven't heard about any them before doesn't mean they're considered nobodies in the footballing world. Either way it's a big change from the previous setup where we had Scott McLachlan heading the scouting department (with a lousy record in recent years if I might add) and then basically Marina deciding everything by herself. I'd be very surprised if this new group of recruitment personnel weren't better at identifying the right players than their predecessors.

[Vytis33 1,378]

 

[robsblubot 3,595]

48 minutes ago, Jype said:

Are they though? Sure most of them may not come with that 'elite club pedigree' but what they all share is they have plenty of experience at clubs that are pretty much universally considered to have a very good eye for finding great young talent.

- The guys brought from Brighton have been heavily involved with identifying and buying the likes of Trossard, Cucurella, Caicedo, Bissouma, MacAllister in the last few years alone for around £5-15M each. 

- Joe Shields has lots of experience from being the chief youth scout for Man City and brought for example Jadon Sancho to the club. He then got hired to be the head scout at Southampton and the players he got the club to buy (Bazunu, Bella-Kotchap and Lavia) have all been good in the EPL despite being just 18-20yo.

- Before Laurence Stewart took the Technical Director job at Monaco he was the head scout for RB Leipzig who are known to have a great track record with their signings. For example he was there when they signed Christopher Nkunku so chances are he might have had some input for that one.

- The other RB group guy Christopher Vivell was the head of the scouting department at RB Salzburg for five years (2015-2020) and together with Freund, who sadly didn't join this new recruitment team at Chelsea, he is said to have had a hand in unearthing and bringing in the likes of Erling Haaland, Karim Adeyemi and Benjamin Sesko to the club among others.

Just because you personally haven't heard about any them before doesn't mean they're considered nobodies in the footballing world. Either way it's a big change from the previous setup where we had Scott McLachlan heading the scouting department (with a lousy record in recent years if I might add) and then basically Marina deciding everything by herself. I'd be very surprised if this new group of recruitment personnel weren't better at identifying the right players than their predecessors.

You are right that "nobodies" may have been a bit strong, but my point was the at the very least the contacts they used to work with aren't the same they will now have to work with. They will not necessarily have relationships with the top agents and scouts... something that Marina certainly had. I think it's easy to disregard what they accomplished, I can easily criticize a good number of their signings, but there was quite a bit of silverware in the mix as well.

The players you cited (from Brighton guys) are more suited for a team like Brighton IMO... including our own Cucurella (though too early to pass judgement).

Thank you for the information... while it does not make optimistic about the future, it does provide some reassurance that it's not a bunch of quacks. it's also good to know some of them have experience with scouting youth, which is IMO the only way we can compete at this level.

[Nero 1,901]

41 minutes ago, Vytis33 said:

 

Don't buy this guy. He has PTSD now. 

Torres 2.0 I can see

[MoroccanBlue 5,399]

It’s a Chelsea thing. 

[Blue Armour 4,721]

1 hour ago, Vytis33 said:

 

Will pass the Chelsea medical with flying colors

[Superblue 6,372]

1 hour ago, robsblubot said:

You are right that "nobodies" may have been a bit strong, but my point was the at the very least the contacts they used to work with aren't the same they will now have to work with. They will not necessarily have relationships with the top agents and scouts... something that Marina certainly had. I think it's easy to disregard what they accomplished, I can easily criticize a good number of their signings, but there was quite a bit of silverware in the mix as well.

The players you cited (from Brighton guys) are more suited for a team like Brighton IMO... including our own Cucurella (though too early to pass judgement).

Thank you for the information... while it does not make optimistic about the future, it does provide some reassurance that it's not a bunch of quacks. it's also good to know some of them have experience with scouting youth, which is IMO the only way we can compete at this level.

You also have to bear in mind the reported plan of the owners to buy a couple more clubs to sit in a group underneath us. This is where these appointments really stand out with Lawrence Stewart and Christopher Vivell having experience working within those group structures, Joe Shields having a very successful track record at youth recruitment level and now Winstanley having been head of recruitment at Brighton, a club which has built a strong reputation for excellent and smart recruitment, particularly with younger players, providing them with a platform to develop. 

For me, we haven't done enough work for years in recruiting players a couple of years earlier than perhaps they might be ready for Chelsea, and then plan and aid their development to reach our first team. Not really since we went through the period where the likes of Courtois, De Bruyne, Salah, Lukaku were bought. Similar to what you said, being able to identify players earlier than other top clubs and offering them a plan and platform for their development might just end up being our ace in the hole. With the group network, we can operate in similar ways to Leipzig/Salzburg where some of these players can go and play in Portugal/Holland/France for a couple of seasons before coming here for a reasonable price when they have developed further.

If it's done right, it could be a real game changer long term and from what we can see so far with these appointments, the owners are laying some serious groundwork for this.

[maxlev 55]

I don't see any need buying players we will end up calling shit players after few months of their buys. That is the usual tradition. People clamour and speak good of a particular player and once he comes here and have difficulty performing in a poorly coached team, people say he was a shit signing and we could have gone for Mr X, Y or Z. I fully understand the advantage of having quality players who fit into a team well, which is what we all want at Chelsea but we need to have a well defined style of play that is quite productive or promising atleast. Not playing football like a relegation team. How many matches has Potter dominated in ball possession? How many matches have we played top quality football? What is even his pattern of football because we usually look clueless on the pitch of play. We need a proper coach who has a defined and effective playing style which can bring the best out of players. First of all have an effective style, from there we can point out which position at which quality is lacking. In the last few matches I cannot point at any single position that any of our player did well except that kid Hall.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,954]

 

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[ZAPHOD2319 4,954]

This sounds like a stretch. Not sure there is a shred of truth in it.

 

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[MoroccanBlue 5,399]

34 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

This sounds like a stretch. Not sure there is a shred of truth in it.

 

We hear this rumor every window. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,954]

 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,954]

It seems they are putting together a way to get Arsen to England

 

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[milka 3,407]

Too many youngers in the 1st team without  leaders  on the pitch .