Chelsea Transfers

[Syltherin 25]

if the budget was really £200m, then this is my list :

1. Pure ST : either Kane or Lukaku = max. £100m

2. DM : Tchoeumani or Kamara or Bissouma = max £60m

3. CB : Bastoni or Lacroix = max £40m

4. LW : Sancho = max £80m (if we can't get ST target)

ofc,,we must sell half of the deadwood or player that hasn't much gametime this season :

1. Tammy = £40m

2. Tomori = £25m

3. Zouma = £30m (even tuchel didn't trust him at the back 3)

4. Jorginho = £40m (he'll turn 30 on december 2021, if we're really give long contract on Kante, we can't have 2 Old MF in this time. so this is time to sell jorgi)

5. Barkley = £20m

6. RLC = £20m 

7. half of deadwood (Batshuayi, zapacosta, bakayoko, drinkwater, kenedy, victor moses) = it's lucky when we can get £50m for all of them

8. Ampadu = let see in pre-season if he can impress tuchel aswell,,other that we can release him for £20m 

Total sell = minimum £150m

 

[Vesper 29,152]

1 hour ago, Syltherin said:

if the budget was really £200m, then this is my list :

1. Pure ST : either Kane or Lukaku = max. £100m

2. DM : Tchoeumani or Kamara or Bissouma = max £60m

3. CB : Bastoni or Lacroix = max £40m

4. LW : Sancho = max £80m (if we can't get ST target)

Kane will cost £130m to £150m

Lukaku will cost £77m to £86m (90 to 100m euros)

Tchou and Kamara (euro is weak v pound, so that helps) would be less than £45m or so, I think £40m quid would grab either, maybe even lower

Lacroix would cost £30-34m or so, maybe £38m max (due to strong GBP), maybe even less than 30m quid, IF Marina does her thing

Bastoni will cost far more than £40m, at least £65-70m or so, maybe more, he is now the top Italian CB (top 6 on planet IMHO, and is a left footer) and will not be cheap. Romagnoli is likely up for sale, also a left-footer, and would be far cheaper, as would Varane.

I LOVE Bastoni, just do not know is we dump that much quid out atm. IF Pep grabs Bastoni, then in a couple years (as VVD slides down due to age, and perhaps lingering effects of that horrid injury) Citeh may very well like have the 2 best (not just best pair, but top 2 individuals) CB's on the planet, with Dias and Bastoni. Dias only just turned 24 two weeks ago, and Bastoni is basically 2 years younger, he just turned 22 six weeks ago. De Ligt is, atm, their only competitor 2, 3 years from now for top CB from all that I can tell. They also, IF Pep rates him, which is bizarre how much he has fallen out with Pep, another top 5 to yop 10 CB in Aymeric Laporte, who I still rate the hell out of (and is another of the ultra rare left-footers)

These are the only left-footed CB's I rate atm

Alessandro Bastoni   
Aymeric Laporte
Pau Torres   
Alessio Romagnoli
Sven Botman (1.95m 21 year old Dutchman, from Lille, a monster in the making)
Benoît Badiashile (1.94m 20 year old Frenchman from Monaco)
Evan N'Dicka    
Josko Gvardiol (19yo Croatian from Dinamo Zagreb)
Renan Victor da Silva (a just turned 19yo from Palmeiras)
David Carmo 1.96m 21yo from Braga

only ambipedal CB I rate is Caglar Söyüncü and he would be crazy overpriced

 

Botman

Edited May 31, 2021 by Vesper

[Jase 43,479]

6 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

Tuchel always had some odd signings historically, the links of Traore and Hofmann are bit worriying.

TBF, when have our managers not have wanted odd signings?

But my jaw nearly dropped when I saw Tuchel identifies Traore as a target in the article. Better off just keeping Moses for the RWB role instead of selling him away. Hope it's BS.

[Jase 43,479]

6 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

He's had two real stand out games now in the second leg against Madrid, and then last night's final playing that role pretty much perfectly.

It's a much smaller game but there's also the Fulham game and all 3 games saw Werner and Havertz operate upfront together and they did well as a partnership. Werner had someone he can play off with - just like he did at Leipzig - while Havertz had someone who was constantly on the move to create space for him.

6 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I'm struggling to decide what I think we should do with our attacking options.

For me Havertz looks like his best position is that false 9. It suits his game to drift and find space, he's shown a huge willingness and improvement to press from the front in recent months and his size and technique make him a perfect foil for the other attackers, whilst still have the pace himself to hurt teams. 

He's had two real stand out games now in the second leg against Madrid, and then last night's final playing that role pretty much perfectly.

I do expect him to kick on next season, full of confidence after this and especially if he can stay fit as I think he'll play regularly.

How much of that goal scoring void he can fill though I'm not sure. I think he's capable of chipping in 12 - 15 goals in the league and maybe pushing up towards around 20 in all competitions. 

I've mentioned previously that a realistic increase in goals from all of the front players could put us in a position where we don't need a 20+ goal scorer and instead become a bigger danger because we're not so reliant on one player. If Havertz and Werner could get 12 - 15 goals and Ziyech, Mount and Pulisic could all chip in with 8 - 10 we'd be in a position I believe to challenge for the title. We'd also then have more flexibility in attacking targets as Tuchel can look at another option which maybe fits the dynamic better but can complement the group with similar goal numbers to above (maybe someone like Sancho). Compared to say someone like Lukaku who will score goals but would it be to the overall detriment of the team if his all round play doesn't suit? 

Inclined to agree. I feel like we should get a striker especially with Giroud AND Abraham looking set to leave but I am just not sure if we really need a big name striker - like Lukaku - at this point. Over the past two seasons (including this season), City and Liverpool have shown winning the league is possible without having a striker, as so as long as the other attackers, midfielders etc contribute the goals, spread them out within the team. Maybe I'm being hopeful but feel like there is more to come from our attackers in terms of converting chances, that this season is not a true reflection of their finishing capability. If we get a big name striker like Lukaku, I feel like he will only get in the way of the others especially if Tuchel is gonna stick with the back 3, not just in terms scoring goals but also the development side of things. Would prefer to get a low key striker like Danny Ings (not necessarily suggesting him specifically but merely throwing an example in), someone that can fit into Tuchel's system (probably more so than Lukaku) and Tuchel's rotation (suspect he'll do the same next season with the packed schedule). Would someone like Lukaku be happy with constantly being rotated? Is someone like Lukaku also suitable for the way Tuchel wants to play, despite his goalscoring record? Will Lukaku's big ego fit in with the rest of the team (@Tomo would be having fits over this)? Tuchel has spoken a lot about the strong dynamic and bond between the players and he doesn't want to disrupt that. 

[R2D2 368]

Winning the CL and targeting absolute donkeys, fuck this crap. Way to ruin a CL title winning squad adding king donkey Lukaku and donkey Traore, makes me puke if it happens.

Edited May 31, 2021 by R2D2

[Strike 7,280]

Chelsea eye Romelu Lukaku as Tuchel targets Premier League title challenge
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/30/Chelsea-eye-romelu-lukaku-as-tuchel-targets-premier-league-title-challenge

[Nero 1,847]

 

[R2D2 368]

1 minute ago, Patrick Bamford said:

 

Fucking keep him please.

[Jase 43,479]

This is not related to us but there are unhappy City players over the amount of game time this season - Jesus, Laporte, Sterling. Similar case with Cancelo, Rodri and Silva. Mahrez could also be moved on. This could be us if we're not careful...

 

[ulvhedin 508]

7 hours ago, Syltherin said:

4. Jorginho = £40m (he'll turn 30 on december 2021, if we're really give long contract on Kante, we can't have 2 Old MF in this time. so this is time to sell jorgi)

5. Barkley = £20m

6. RLC = £20m 

7. half of deadwood (Batshuayi, zapacosta, bakayoko, drinkwater, kenedy, victor moses) = it's lucky when we can get £50m for all of them

 

Haha, good luck with that.

[lucio 5,418]

@Vesper

just wondering what you think of Julian Weigl and Florian neuhaus 😊😊

[Jase 43,479]

Here we go with CHO to Bayern again...

 

[R2D2 368]

4 minutes ago, Jas said:

Here we go with CHO to Bayern again...

 

Bayern thinking of using him as a RWB meanwhile we want to waste money on Traore instead of using him there, amazing.

If it means us buying Traore and no buying obligation from them they can fuck off, if it means we sell him and Ziyech and upgrade on Sancho all for it.

[Vesper 29,152]

12 minutes ago, lucio said:

@Vesper

just wondering what you think of Julian Weigl and Florian neuhaus 😊😊

Not particularly enamoured with Weigl at all. 

He was not good enough for the Bundesliga, so he fucked of to Liga NOS (Benfica)

he is too thin and weak for an EPL DMF

the hell if I want another Jorginho type here

buy Aurélien Tchouaméni

 

Neuhaus is the far better of the two. (granted he is a CMF, not a DMF)

CMF's I rate (and are potentially available, some are too expensive though as we need help in other positions as well)

 
Eduardo Camavinga    (DMF as well) <<<< my first choice
Houssem Aouar
Marco Verratti 
Saúl Ñíguez  
Youri Tielemans   
Sergej Milinković-Savić 
Nicolò Barella   
Rodrigo de Paul    
Jude Bellingham   (DMF as well) let him sit and play more at Dortmund
Carlos Soler
Bruno Guimarães    (DMF as well)
Ryan Gravenberch 
Weston McKennie    (DMF as well)
Florian Neuhaus

Rodrigo de Paul, had a monster year (9 goals, 11 assists)  He switched from winger/SS to CMF 2 years ago, and bulked up. Conte partially quit because he demanded him, and the Chinese owners said NO, plus they said all the players need to accept a 20% PAY CUT (good luck with that!), plus they need to sell some big names. Criminal Chinese gangsta shite, they will destroy a team on the verge of greatness, all it need were 3 solid adds, nothing crazy. De Paul, Gosens for LWB, and Berardi or Gabriel Veron at RW and they were set to surge into top 5 teams on planet IMHO. Boubacar Kamara would have been a super buy for them too.

Neuhaus and de Paul are same price, more or less, I think

if Tuchel rates Neuhaus and we fail on Camavinga, then I am perfectly oki with that buy, and a bous is Neuhaus is 3 years younger

de Paul can play more positions though

[Vesper 29,152]

Hell NO to Adama Traore!

FUCK THAT SHIT

TEN goals in 131 games at Wolves!

His entire top flight career, 178 games, TWELVE GOALS (half came from one year)

That makes Willian look like Messi

he went 7 straight months with no league goals last season, ended up with TWO

he turns 26 in middle of this coming season, so he is NOT a kid with years to round out

he is 100000% pace based, and when that pace goes in 5 years or so (or due to his many injuries) , he is fucked

🤬🤬

 

doom buy 

NOT happy

same for Jonas Hofmann

wtf

Edited May 31, 2021 by Vesper

[Nero 1,847]

 

[Pizy 18,505]

Honestly, winning the CL has zapped any worry or concern I had about our summer window. As long as we get our striker I’m not stressing anything else. Additional players would be a bonus.

Will say though that these are some really weird names we’re being linked to. Adama had a really good season last year but wasn’t he terrible this season? He went like 90% of the season without scoring a single goal or something. I suppose for a cheap price he could be an interesting rotation option. Seeing that beast come on against tired legs is always scary and being in a much better team could benefit him.

Then there’s this Hoffmann guy who I admittedly never heard of until we were linked a week ago. He basically looks like a slightly more attacking Jorginho to me on YouTube. And he’s the wrong age profile for us. Doesn’t make sense at all to me.

Finally, if Inter dig their heels in and refuse to sell Lukaku I wonder what we’d do. Doesn’t look like Levy will even be considering selling us Kane. Whatever happens I hope it does so soon before the Euro’s. Or else prices can jump.

[DH1988 1,325]

Id like us to look for a way to structure Sancho coming in for a fee plus Callum on a two year loan, he would benefit greatly from being there and ultimately I don’t want to lose him permanently.

I’d like to avoid Tchoeumani, I don’t see what others are seeing in the games I’ve seen him, you can say potential, but I don’t see what he brings in to our midfield. It’s my opinion of course.