Chelsea Transfers

[Special Juan 28,141]

Your kidding yourself if you think there is only problems at one end of the field. The attack is toothless, and we have wasted so many chances in games, and a lot of them very basic chances.

[Special Juan 28,141]

Brendan Rodgers has told the media he is ‘not sure’ whether Ben Chilwell has played his last game for #lcfc.

[Puliiszola 519]

2 hours ago, Jype said:

I like Aké and I'd happily take take him as rotational CB instead of Christensen if he was available at a cut-price following Bournemouth's potential relegation but I'm not so convinced he's what the team needs.

There are already enough decent options at CB but what we severely need is some leadership at the back, someone who is vocal enough and takes charge of organizing the whole defence. None of Rüdiger, Zouma, Christensen, Tomori or even Aké are like that and I'm pretty sure they never will be either. This season they've looked pretty bad but playing next to a class CB who leads the line properly I'd like to think their performances would go up to a different level.

Well said and put. 

But the problem is who is available (even for the right money). 

[King Kante 1,643]

18 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Brendan Rodgers has told the media he is ‘not sure’ whether Ben Chilwell has played his last game for #lcfc.

Please let it not be us that he comes to. He is bang average. 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

1 hour ago, Jype said:

We could be hearing something regarding Telles' future pretty soon. Porto managed to confirm their league title on Wednesday this week and there's just two round left to play so now that everything is settled they might begin negotiations for a move.

Like mentioned above, PSG extended Kurzawa by four more years so maybe they're out of the race. If they went after another LB, they would have to shift Bernat somewhere and I haven't seen any rumors on that. Kurzawa and Bernat are both bad players (worse than Alonso/Emerson imo) but perhaps PSG can't afford to spend on a new full-back with coronavirus probably affecting their FFP status.

Let's just hope Inter and Juve stay out of the race for Telles because then they won't go for our deadwoods.  

Hope we stay clear from him, good going forward but shit defensively.

[Jype 6,398]

4 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

Well said and put. 

But the problem is who is available (even for the right money). 

That's the thing, there doesn't seem to be any obvious candidates who are available. Marina could try throwing money at Milan for Romagnoli or maybe Skriniar at Inter, but I'm not sure if either of those are realistic signings.

Rice has shown plenty of leadership qualities at West Ham already at 21yo but as a CB he's nowhere near the finished article. But at the right price he'd probably be my pick and then just hope he develops into a class CB quickly enough.

[Special Juan 28,141]

To be fair, Zouma AC and Rudiger are meant to be close to the finished article, but yet look like they are brand new out of the box and unopened.

[Pizy 18,926]

If 2-3 of these players we're linked with come off I certainly think we'll be a title contender next season. Not the favorite, not even the second favorite, but I'd back us to finish within single digit points of the eventual champion. A genuine threat.

With the caliber of players the top teams are buying and linked with, I don't think there's any chance any team pulls out of sight of the pack like Liverpool have done. And if Liverpool don't invest a bit and freshen up their team they could take a step back. 

[King Kante 1,643]

10 minutes ago, Pizy said:

If 2-3 of these players we're linked with come off I certainly think we'll be a title contender next season. Not the favorite, not even the second favorite, but I'd back us to finish within single digit points of the eventual champion. A genuine threat.

With the caliber of players the top teams are buying and linked with, I don't think there's any chance any team pulls out of sight of the pack like Liverpool have done. And if Liverpool don't invest a bit and freshen up their team they could take a step back. 

With the Dippers next season I am hoping for Dortmund Meltdown Part II.

[NikkiCFC 8,326]

1 hour ago, Jype said:

Yeah, I totally agree.

But next season is still a big part of the squad rebuild that began last summer with the youth. By the looks of things there will be at least 4 new signings for the coming season, possibly even more, so it takes time for new players to fully settle and many of the current young players are still in a critical phase of their development too. 

The way I see it, Liverpool's trajectory under Klopp is the way to go. Right now we're roughly at the same position where they were when Klopp took over (inheriting a squad with no signings of his own, performances varying from promising to really shit) and our next season could be comparable to Liverpool's 2016/17 too when they finished at 76 pts playing exciting football with a bad defense and GK hindering their chances of mounting a title challenge. Then after adding the final missing pieces with Alisson+VVD look at where they are now. 

So for next season I'd be happy with just a comfortable top4 finish (~75-80pts) which would already be a huge improvement over this season and then in the 21/22 it's time for a title push. Serious questions will have to be asked if the team still isn't capable of challenging for the league title in 2022.

You know how they say? - Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.

We have Liverpool example so why would we decide to suffer one more year defensively when we can fix it now?

I fully expect Havertz, new LB, CB and GK this summer.

Liverpool in 16/17 had 76 points but season after 75. 

I do not want to suffer three years to get something in 4th season. That is for clubs like... Liverpool... If they did not sell Coutinho they would never get VVD and maybe even Alisson.

Also you cannot take away Sarri season in this process...

3rd place, Cup final and EL title.

Now Frank: on the way to top4, last 16 CL and Fa cup semi final (at least).

We should compare this season with City in Pep first season.

Fighting for top4 till the last round, last 16 of CL and Fa cup semi final.

If something dramatically unexpected happens in our games against Bayern, Utd in cup and in the league we would have very, very similar season.

But than before second season Pep goes and buy: B.Silva, Ederson, Mendy, Walker, Danilo and Laporte in january. They won 100 points in that season.

Mendy was injured full season, Danilo just bench warmer. When Laporte came in late January they were already on double digit lead.

So basically only Ederson, Walker and B.Silva transformed them massively over short period.

We already got Ziyech, Werner close to Havertz. And everything suggests we are after LB and GK. Dont know if we will get him but Atletico coach confirmed we are after Oblak...

Plus a lot of talk about Rice and CB. City took that big step forward in just one season and I cannot see why cant we do the same.

 

 

 

[Jype 6,398]

34 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

You know how they say? - Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.

We have Liverpool example so why would we decide to suffer one more year defensively when we can fix it now?

I fully expect Havertz, new LB, CB and GK this summer.

Liverpool in 16/17 had 76 points but season after 75. 

I do not want to suffer three years to get something in 4th season. That is for clubs like... Liverpool... If they did not sell Coutinho they would never get VVD and maybe even Alisson.

Also you cannot take away Sarri season in this process...

3rd place, Cup final and EL title.

Now Frank: on the way to top4, last 16 CL and Fa cup semi final (at least).

We should compare this season with City in Pep first season.

Fighting for top4 till the last round, last 16 of CL and Fa cup semi final.

If something dramatically unexpected happens in our games against Bayern, Utd in cup and in the league we would have very, very similar season.

But than before second season Pep goes and buy: B.Silva, Ederson, Mendy, Walker, Danilo and Laporte in january. They won 100 points in that season.

Mendy was injured full season, Danilo just bench warmer. When Laporte came in late January they were already on double digit lead.

So basically only Ederson, Walker and B.Silva transformed them massively over short period.

We already got Ziyech, Werner close to Havertz. And everything suggests we are after LB and GK. Dont know if we will get him but Atletico coach confirmed we are after Oblak...

Plus a lot of talk about Rice and CB. City took that big step forward in just one season and I cannot see why cant we do the same.

Sure. If Marina can land Havertz, Rice, Oblak and a quality LB on top of Werner and Ziyech already confirmed then we'll adjust expectations accordingly. But for the life of me I can't see all of that happening especially in one go (easily 350m gross spend), which means there will more than likely be some areas left to improve later (my guess would be GK).

And even if all that were to happen, the new signings still need time to gel so I wouldn't be expecting 95+ points for next season. Somewhere between 80-90 maybe if none of the signings turn out to be flops, but that gap is just too much in one season if we're being realistic. City's improvement between Pep's first and second seasons was 22 points and that's with a squad that already had world class players like KdB, Silva, Aguero, Sterling, Sane, Fernandinho, Kompany etc. to begin with. Going from ~65pts this season to ~95 the next is too much to ask IMHO. 

[DDA 9,941]

21 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

You know how they say? - Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.

We have Liverpool example so why would we decide to suffer one more year defensively when we can fix it now?

I fully expect Havertz, new LB, CB and GK this summer.

Liverpool in 16/17 had 76 points but season after 75. 

I do not want to suffer three years to get something in 4th season. That is for clubs like... Liverpool... If they did not sell Coutinho they would never get VVD and maybe even Alisson.

Also you cannot take away Sarri season in this process...

3rd place, Cup final and EL title.

Now Frank: on the way to top4, last 16 CL and Fa cup semi final (at least).

We should compare this season with City in Pep first season.

Fighting for top4 till the last round, last 16 of CL and Fa cup semi final.

If something dramatically unexpected happens in our games against Bayern, Utd in cup and in the league we would have very, very similar season.

But than before second season Pep goes and buy: B.Silva, Ederson, Mendy, Walker, Danilo and Laporte in january. They won 100 points in that season.

Mendy was injured full season, Danilo just bench warmer. When Laporte came in late January they were already on double digit lead.

So basically only Ederson, Walker and B.Silva transformed them massively over short period.

We already got Ziyech, Werner close to Havertz. And everything suggests we are after LB and GK. Dont know if we will get him but Atletico coach confirmed we are after Oblak...

Plus a lot of talk about Rice and CB. City took that big step forward in just one season and I cannot see why cant we do the same.

 

 

 

Yea, but you can buy all of those players and improve your squad but it takes time for them to all gel together and work in well oiled system.... especially one that is strong enough to challange Liverpool and City's already Championship winning machines. There is no overnight remedy... even if you do strengthen the weaker areas of your team. I think if we are to seroously consider challanging for the title again.... then it will be the season after next. Unless Frank pulls an absolute madness out of nowhere and does a Conte and win against all odds. 😄

[Tomo 21,751]

3 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Defense wins you titles!

City scored 16 goals more than Liverpool. Liverpool champion.

Barca scored 13 goals more than Real. Real champion.

Atalanta scored 23 goals more than Juventus. Juve champion (almost).

Havertz, Pulisic, Ziyech and Werner is all great but if we want to win things we need to fix defense.

We won't be winning the title next season anyway, atleast one of Liverpool or City will hit 90 plus points and it will be too big an ask for us next season to do the same. We will likely still have holes in the team and even if we somehow fix them all we'd have 6/7 new players in the lineup which will mean they will need time to gel, either scenario will handicap us as far as a title challenge if concerned.

So if loading up on attackers is the first port of call them so be it.

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, King Kante said:

We have far too many problems atm to think about a title push in the next two seasons. At the moment, we have the following problems: 

1) A GK that lets in nearly 50% of shots on goal in.

2) Four CB's that show no leadership qualities and all have individual weaknesses that the opposition know and exploit. 

3) An attack that creates lots of chances but has really poor conversion rate (this may already been remedied but we still have to wait and see.) 

4) A midfield that is pretty lightweight and gets overpowered and even out ran at times. 

5) One LB that downed tools and another who, whilst great getting forward, is very slow to recover. 

For me, to expect to solve all those issues in one year is asking too much. Next year the expectation should just be CL qualification and anything else is a bonus. That would still be progress as surely this year would've been Ropey League qualification and a cup would be a bonus. 

You forgot a 6th point - better and proper coaching!

Next year may be too early but I expect a title challenge from the 2021/22 season onward. And as I alluded to, I don't expect to go win straight away at the first attempt but there has to be progress - more consistency, close the gap on Man City and Liverpool and maybe even pose a threat to those two in the title for 2/3 of the season. If we keep hovering below those two and be satisfied with Top 4, don't be shocked when the players become disillusioned and want to leave because there's no progress etc. 

I suspect we will be signing at least one defender and maybe a keeper this summer as well. 

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, Jype said:

Yeah, I totally agree.

But next season is still a big part of the squad rebuild that began last summer with the youth. By the looks of things there will be at least 4 new signings for the coming season, possibly even more, so it takes time for new players to fully settle and many of the current young players are still in a critical phase of their development too. 

The way I see it, Liverpool's trajectory under Klopp is the way to go. Right now we're roughly at the same position where they were when Klopp took over (inheriting a squad with no signings of his own, performances varying from promising to really shit) and our next season could be comparable to Liverpool's 2016/17 too when they finished at 76 pts playing exciting football with a bad defense and GK hindering their chances of mounting a title challenge. Then after adding the final missing pieces with Alisson+VVD look at where they are now. 

So for next season I'd be happy with just a comfortable top4 finish (~75-80pts) which would already be a huge improvement over this season and then in the 21/22 it's time for a title push. Serious questions will have to be asked if the team still isn't capable of challenging for the league title in 2022.

OR we could just take the Man City route and make big changes in one go, assuming we have the finances to do so. 

[Jase 43,479]

 

[killer1257 3,282]

 

So basically he said nothing lol

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[NikkiCFC 8,326]

I think money should not be a problem.

19/20 season = +100m in net spending. Hazard, Aina, Kalas, Luiz, Hector... Bought just Kovacic.

20/21 for now: -20m net spending. Werner and Ziyech according to transfermarkt 94m euros. We got 74m for Morata, Pasalic and Nathan.

So 80m left. If you add loan fees we can afford Havertz for that money and be on zero.

Surely we will sell players this summer for at least 100m. Emerson, one CB, Baka, Michy, Barkley...

This can buy us Oblak! 

And than on top of that we can easily afford -100m in net spending this summer. Alaba and Rice.

But if we buy Oblak surely Kepa will leave and Jorginho possibly. Even if it is on loan with obligation to buy we can get 100m next summer for tham. FFP (is that still a thing?) works for a period of couple of years if I am right so no issues...

 

What are the weaknesses of this side?

 

 

[Special Juan 28,141]

We are going to be spending more money, it won't stop here....Havertz a CB and LB to come still.

[killer1257 3,282]

We are going to be spending more money, it won't stop here....Havertz a CB and LB to come still.

How do you rate our CL chances? Because the CL money helps getting all the transfers done

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