Atomiswave 6,117 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Fernando said: To be fair there's no market for defense at this moment. Let's focus on what we can get now that is worth the investment. Because there's also the resale value to take into consideration if we need to sell. Who would have thought we would have gotten such a good resale value from Morata? There are a decent amount of defenders out there....our defence will let us down if not rectified Fernando and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said: Lampard could be drawing his own career experiences to this. He's openly talked about when Roman came in and brought the likes of Makelele, Veron, Joe Cole, etc that he had to go away and take stock of the situation and realise that if he didn't raise his game and standards he wouldn't last. There are a number of variables to explain the drop in form of some of the younger players as the season progressed but one of them could be the mentality that they now consider themselves first choice and there wasn't enough confidence in the quality of the back up behind them. I think Lampard will want to test those young players in the same way that he was when at Chelsea, and force them to raise their levels otherwise they won't get game time. So we will basically go from 'LET'S PLAY THE YOUTH' to 'FUCK THE YOUTH! LET'S GO SPEND BIG!'. Having competition in the squad is one thing but there is an argument to be made on over-stacking the squad and potentially hinder the progress of the young players instead. If you have invested in them, then trust them to do their best and improve. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jason said: Nonsense. There are good defenders out there. You just need to know where to look. And god knows how many times has Vesper drawn up a list of it! Yeah nowhere near world class like van dijk. As why I think there's no market for defenders at this moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermonkey92 1,428 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Is he a reputable Source? Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit TapatalkSimon Phillips is quite good with chelsea. Much of what has been said about Frank and Cech convincing Werner erc has came from him I think (?) Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk Johnnyeye and killer1257 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Just now, Supermonkey92 said: Simon Phillips is quite good with chelsea. Much of what has been said about Frank and Cech convincing Werner erc has came from him I think (?) Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk lol Simon Phillips is just a wannabe journalist. That Cech/Lampard/Werner story came from Matt Law... NikkiCFC and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: So we will basically go from 'LET'S PLAY THE YOUTH' to 'FUCK THE YOUTH! LET'S GO SPEND BIG!'. Having competition in the squad is one thing but there is an argument to be made on over-stacking the squad and potentially hinder the progress of the young players instead. If you have invested in them, then trust them to do their best and improve. I think Lampard was in that situation and it only helped raised his game. I think someone posted an article about that where Lampard spoke about it. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Fernando said: Yeah nowhere near world class like van dijk. As why I think there's no market for defenders at this moment. Doesn't mean there aren't defenders out there who will improve us. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: Nonsense. There are good defenders out there. You just need to know where to look. And god knows how many times has Vesper drawn up a list of it! It's not that there is no market for it, but I think better and cheaper deals can be had in the defensive areas. You only have to look at the reported values of the likes of Telles and Tagliafico compared to Chilwell. If one of the two former are available for £20-25m and half or a third of the Chilwell value, I don't see enough difference between the three to justify the differences in market value. If doing that would help us potentially fund a player who is one of the best young talents in world football, then we should be doing that. I guess it boils down to the sort of argument of which combination would you rather - Tagliafico and Havertz or Chilwell and Boga? Fernando, Strike, Johnnyeye and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Just now, Fernando said: I think Lampard was in that situation and it only helped raised his game. I think someone posted an article about that where Lampard spoke about it. Doesn't mean it has to be replicated... Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Fernando said: Yeah nowhere near world class like van dijk. As why I think there's no market for defenders at this moment. VVD is overrated as fuck as good as he is, sad that midget in napoli is such an asshole to deal with, I would love Kouli here, Ramagnoli is every good too, Skrinar etc. Fernando and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Supermonkey92 said: Simon Phillips is quite good with chelsea. Much of what has been said about Frank and Cech convincing Werner erc has came from him I think (?) Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk As far as I'm aware Phillips is a copy and paste journo. Don't think he has any links Johnnyeye and killer1257 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Matt law is the shiznet when it comes to Chels, much closer to the truth than Simon. killer1257 and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jason said: So we will basically go from 'LET'S PLAY THE YOUTH' to 'FUCK THE YOUTH! LET'S GO SPEND BIG!'. Having competition in the squad is one thing but there is an argument to be made on over-stacking the squad and potentially hinder the progress of the young players instead. If you have invested in them, then trust them to do their best and improve. I don't think the squad would be over-stacked in that way, because I think if players leave it won't be the younger players. If Havertz was signed, I would expect Barkley to be the one to leave. Pedro and Willian also will likely be moving on too, and at times during this season we've looked thin on options with a couple of injuries. Lampard won't want to leave us in that position again. It's also generally different with defenders (once Lampard works out his best defensive combination!) as you look to keep a lot of continuity there. But I think across the midfield and attack, it's much easier for players to get sufficient game time. Especially in the case of a number of the players we have or look to be bringing in attack who are versatile to play a number of different positions and formations. Johnnyeye, Fernando and Tomo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said: I don't think the squad would be over-stacked in that way, because I think if players leave it won't be the younger players. If Havertz was signed, I would expect Barkley to be the one to leave. Pedro and Willian also will likely be moving on too, and at times during this season we've looked thin on options with a couple of injuries. Lampard won't want to leave us in that position again. It's still kinda stacked even if we sell Barkley. We would have Pulisic, Werner, Mount, Ziyech, CHO as options for the LW, CAM, RW (Werner could play as the second ST). Having 5 players for 3 positions is just fine. But 6 and another high profile like Havertz? That is overkilled. Johnnyeye and communicate 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermonkey92 1,428 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 lol Simon Phillips is just a wannabe journalist. That Cech/Lampard/Werner story came from Matt Law...Are we thinking of the same guy? There's two on Twitter with basically the same name but one has been a football journalist since the early 2000's. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Loving the look the squad could take but back line still looks suspect. I don't dislike any of them, reckon zouma and Emerson can go but the others is be happy with. We definitely need a top CB though. Just someone that will calm the rest around him. Ain't had that in years DDA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Supermonkey92 said: Are we thinking of the same guy? There's two on Twitter with basically the same name but one has been a football journalist since the early 2000's. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Simon Johnson are you thinking of? He's not bad Supermonkey92 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermonkey92 1,428 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Simon Johnson are you thinking of? He's not badThat's the guy!Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk ulsterchelsea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,818 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Atomiswave, killer1257 and Johnnyeye 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOIRO 64 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Werner(24) 50m Havertz(20) 80m Chilwell(23) 60m Pleeeeeeesssseeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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