Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 30,172]

On 1/6/2020 at 2:45 AM, LAM09 said:

Did you miss last season? 

 

 

He failed to recapture the form from 17/18 (like Milinkovic-Savic), so interest died along with the owner overvaluing him.

 

Lautaro Martínez is the only CF we should seriously consider plying their trade in Serie A.

SMS has rebounded, is playing great

I rate him far above Belotti (two different positions obviously)

also, Belotti would be crazy expensive yet again

I do rate Belotti, just nowhere near (striker-wise) Lautaro (ffs would LOVE to have him here, even more than Werner, he has been the most improved player in Europe this season IMHO) or Werner or Icardi (yes I still love him, cunt wife and all, and he is banging them in like crazy again) or Dybala (not a pure CF, more of a SS)

that Lazio side is really dangerous this year, great managerial job by Inzaghi

just ask Juve

if Lazio win their game in hand (versus a pretty middle of the road Verona side), they are only 3 points off of the top of the Serie A table (Inter and Juve)

The top 12 places in  Serie A are basically perfectly (or nearly so) in order of play for the teams so far this year, which is a huge rarity for any league

Napoli and AC Milan have been poor

Atalanta has been the number underrated team in Europe for 3 years running, they do amazing well with their very limited resources

Cagliari and Parma have been the big surprises (Parma a lot to due with one of my favourite young players on the planet, Dejan Kulusevski (turns 20 at the end of April), who is on loan from (now) Juve, who just bought him from...drum roll..... Atalanta)

I was sickened that we made zero moves for him, he is the best young Swede in ages, tall, pacey as hell, left-footed RW with a cannon shot and great passing instincts)

I think he might turn into a monster under Sarri at Juve, time will tell, they got him for only £28m after the 6 month loan fee was deducted, and he is capable of playing CF as well

[Nicco 927]

SMS has looked like shit in Europa League.

[LAM09 7,051]

SMS has looked like shit in Europa League.

So did Lazio. Celtic beat them home and away (lesser side away IIRC but still).

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

1 hour ago, Nicco said:

SMS has looked like shit in Europa League.

So did Lazio. Celtic beat them home and away (lesser side away IIRC but still).

On a slightly different note the Glasgow clubs are low-key returning to some form of relevance in Europe. Both Celtic and Rangers producing strong European showings this season.

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

6 hours ago, Jason said:

Make of that what you will...

I am struggling to believe Kaveh Solhekol on this one.   IF true? Diop is my guess.  Ben White at Brighton been linked but 50m? no way

[Vesper 30,172]

I had posted this in the wrong forum

Chelsea chase secret £50m transfer from Premier League rivals - 'Agents involved hopeful'

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1225279/Chelsea-transfer-news-secret-50million-January-signing-Frank-Lampard-Kaveh-Solhekol

probably bollocks

BUT

IF it is not (and it deffo would explain why we are dithering on Ake's buyback clause)

I can only think of two CB's who it could be (literally there are no others, ZERO in the £50m range who are also 'young' ie. surely 25yo or most likely younger, as 26yo's and up are NOT young)

1. (I can but dream) is Caglar Söyüncü 

or

2. Issa Diop of West Ham

In fact the ONLY CB's in the entire EPL worth £50m and up are VVD, Laporte, Rudiger, Maguire, Sanchez (I am not a fan at all, but he would cost a tonne for any club to buy), Söyüncü, Diop, Ake and Mings (maybe, not for me and is 27yo in 2 months, so deffo NOT 'young') plus Stones (he would cost it, but is so NOT worth it IMHO, I think he and Maguire are the most overpriced CB's in the world), plus Joe Gomez (zero chance he is the one in the article), and finally (some may be shocked but I so so stand by this valuation) Tomori (who I rate around £60-65m atm and could go up much higher)

12 at most, that's it, 13 if you stretch it with Zouma (who I rate around £40m or so)

Toby Alderweireld is too old now, and Matip is not worth £50m IMHO, plus he only has one full sub 30yo season left

I would love to swap out Zouma and especially AC for any two out of  these 3 (in order of preference)

1 Söyüncü   23yo

2 Diop (turns 23yo tomorrow)

3 Ake (25yo on February 18, his huge advantage is that he is left-footed and can play LB in a pinch)

In fact (and this may also shock some here) If would give up all 3 of our 4 main CB's (only Tomori stays) in exchange for those 3 IF that was the only way to get all three

Time marches on and the cold hard fact is Rüdiger only has (after this season) only 2 full sub 30yo seasons left, so basically 3 truly peak years after this one (I deffo count a 29/30 yo season as peak, 30/31 and beyond is where it starts to get dicey in the EPL at highest levels, as the only two over 28yo CB's in the EPl I rate at all are Alderweireld (soon 31 so will start to fall off next season or surely the one after next) and the just turned 32yo Jonny Evans (this is probably his last good year.) Even all the currently 29yo CB's are also shit (and not due to age, lol), you have to get to the 28yo's (VVD for instance) and younger to find class.

 

A Chels CB squadron of  Söyüncü, Tomori (22yo), Diop, Ake and then, in the pipeline, Guehi (turns 20yo this coming summer) and Ampadu, also 20yo this coming summer, at the very end, (and I do say hopefully, although he may end up a DMF and I am not sold on him atm, which hopefully changes soon) is STRONG as hell in a year or two, really strong, like (provided we sort the fullbacks (especially LB!!), MF, wingers and CF) title challenging down the road strong.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

I am struggling to believe Kaveh Solhekol on this one.   IF true? Diop is my guess.  Ben White at Brighton been linked but 50m? no way

it is either Söyüncü (I so hope) or Diop (who I also rate, just a wee bit behind Söyüncü)

Ben White would only cost £25m, per Brighton themselves

Diop is a big lad, 14cms taller than Ake and around 2 years younger, but is right-footed, so no LB backup option there, unike Ake

[Valdo 583]

6 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I had posted this in the wrong forum

Chelsea chase secret £50m transfer from Premier League rivals - 'Agents involved hopeful'

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1225279/Chelsea-transfer-news-secret-50million-January-signing-Frank-Lampard-Kaveh-Solhekol

probably bollocks

BUT

IF it is not (and it deffo would explain why we are dithering on Ake's buyback clause)

I can only think of two CB's who it could be (literally there are no others, ZERO in the £50m range who are also 'young' ie. surely 25yo or most likely younger, as 26yo's and up are NOT young)

1. (I can but dream) is Caglar Söyüncü 

or

2. Issa Diop of West Ham

In fact the ONLY CB's in the entire EPL worth £50m and up are VVD, Laporte, Rudiger, Maguire, Sanchez (I am not a fan at all, but he would cost a tonne for any club to buy), Söyüncü, Diop, Ake and Mings (maybe, not for me and is 27yo in 2 months, so deffo NOT 'young') plus Stones (he would cost it, but is so NOT worth it IMHO, I think he and Maguire are the most overpriced CB's in the world), plus Joe Gomez (zero chance he is the one in the article), and finally (some may be shocked but I so so stand by this valuation) Tomori (who I rate around £60-65m atm and could go up much higher)

12 at most, that's it, 13 if you stretch it with Zouma (who I rate around £40m or so)

Toby Alderweireld is too old now, and Matip is not worth £50m IMHO, plus he only has one full sub 30yo season left

I would love to swap out Zouma and especially AC for any two out of  these 3 (in order of preference)

1 Söyüncü   23yo

2 Diop (turns 23yo tomorrow)

3 Ake (25yo on February 18, his huge advantage is that he is left-footed and can play LB in a pinch)

In fact (and this may also shock some here) If would give up all 3 of our 4 main CB's (only Tomori stays) in exchange for those 3 IF that was the only way to get all three

Time marches on and the cold hard fact is Rüdiger only has (after this season) only 2 full sub 30yo seasons left, so basically 3 truly peak years after this one (I deffo count a 29/30 yo season as peak, 30/31 and beyond is where it starts to get dicey in the EPL at highest levels, as the only two over 28yo CB's in the EPl I rate at all are Alderweireld (soon 31 so will start to fall off next season or surely the one after next) and the just turned 32yo Jonny Evans (this is probably his last good year.) Even all the currently 29yo CB's are also shit (and not due to age, lol), you have to get to the 28yo's (VVD for instance) and younger to find class.

 

A Chels CB squadron of  Söyüncü, Tomori (22yo), Diop, Ake and then, in the pipeline, Guehi (turns 20yo this coming summer) and Ampadu, also 20yo this coming summer, at the very end, (and I do say hopefully, although he may end up a DMF and I am not sold on him atm, which hopefully changes soon) is STRONG as hell in a year or two, really strong, like (provided we sort the fullbacks (especially LB!!), MF, wingers and CF) title challenging down the road strong.

 

 

These transfer sagas surely keep you up late at night don't they

[LAM09 7,051]

On a slightly different note the Glasgow clubs are low-key returning to some form of relevance in Europe. Both Celtic and Rangers producing strong European showings this season.

It's certainly an odd sight to see both still in European action after Christmas. Just going to be a shame when some of the notable performers rightfully earn their step up (Morelos being the first one).

[Vesper 30,172]

2 minutes ago, Valdo said:

These transfer sagas surely keep you up late at night don't they

I am always up this late anyway, lololol

not over football 

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Chelsea ‘not going to deprive themselves’ of Emerson with Alonso in shop window — reports

Left back movements

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2020/1/7/21055895/chelsea-not-going-to-deprive-themselves-of-emerson-with-alonso-in-shop-window-reports

Despite a hamstring injury that caused him to miss almost two months earlier this season, Emerson Palmieri has made 2 more appearances and has played 200 more minutes than fellow left back Marcos Alonso — and that trend is put into stark relief when we consider that Alonso has made just one (1!) appearance in the last two months (albeit a rather successful one away at Spurs).

Clearly, Frank Lampard prefers Emerson from the pair of them, although often Chelsea are best served by playing Cesar Azpilicueta at left back instead (and Reece James on the right).

Accordingly, with both left backs linked to January moves, it’s Alonso who appears more likely to leave, even if he’s the one with the bigger and longer contract. That situation is corroborated by Matt Law’s latest in the Telegraph, which positions Chelsea as being “open to offers” for the 29-year-old. The report doesn’t offer anything beyond just a vague interest from Inter Milan however as far as potential suitors are concerned.

More solid information is available regarding Emerson’s situation, thanks to his agent who has been talking with FCInterNews over in Italy.

“Chelsea are not going to deprive themselves of Emerson Palmieri at this moment. He is happy in London and therefore he will not change teams now.”

-Fernando Garcia; source: FCInterNews

So there you have it. Emerson stays, and if anyone goes, it’s Alonso. But considering his wages and his contract, that’s going to take some creative negotiating (although we should be well versed in such talks by now).

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[Vesper 30,172]

Lampard REALLY wants Moussa Dembele

this I do believe

and this offer seems about right for something that could happen

it values Dembele around £45m, which is about what I would say he would cost to get a January move done

I knew this was going to be a major part of our January attempts as soon as I heard Lamps say Dembele reminded him of Drogba

 

that all said, the original source is once again The Sun, so maybe is a lie

and it may piss off Lyon, who did issue an official statement saying he was not for sale in January (it did not say no to a summer move at all)

Giroud is a national French hero, so maybe they look at it again

I think he can still tear up a league like Ligue 1, at least to the point he would cushion the blow of Dembele leaving

plus, I see no reason why Lyon would not turn around and least try to buy Victor Osimhen or Marcus Thuram (tough pull atm) or Alfredo Morelos or even Myron Boadu

 

Chelsea will offer Olivier Giroud plus £40m to Lyon in deal for Moussa Dembele

https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/07/chelsea-will-offer-olivier-giroud-lyon-deal-moussa-dembele-12020115/

 

 

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

Nor far odd midway through the window, itll start to pick up now.  Panic will kick in for a lot of clubs

[Vesper 30,172]

2 hours ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

Nor far odd midway through the window, itll start to pick up now.  Panic will kick in for a lot of clubs

 

[Vesper 30,172]

ffs

the price for Alonso that the press quotes goes up and down like an Old Compton Street rent boy, lolol

Chelsea set asking price for Marcos Alonso amid Inter Milan transfer interest

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1225362/Chelsea-Marcos-Alonso-Inter-Milan-transfer-asking-price

added bonus

look at the typo for Chilwell 

 

 

 

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[Tomo 21,751]

I think Zaha would do well here but I'm glad if the rumours are true that the board are walking away from the £80m price tag, far too much.

Palace are spiting themselves taking a non negotiable stance though, as the years trickle on Wilfs value will keep decreasing. Would make a lot of business sense for them to meet us in the middle a bit, use that money to get 2/3 decent young players and try and get first refusal when we put our list up of players available for loan during the window.

[Special Juan 28,141]

It's all 'Dembele' this morning

[Jase 43,479]

51 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I think Zaha would do well here but I'm glad if the rumours are true that the board are walking away from the £80m price tag, far too much.

Palace are spiting themselves taking a non negotiable stance though, as the years trickle on Wilfs value will keep decreasing. Would make a lot of business sense for them to meet us in the middle a bit, use that money to get 2/3 decent young players and try and get first refusal when we put our list up of players available for loan during the window.

Zaha was really dumb to sign that contract extension when he did. 

[Vesper 30,172]

24 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I think Zaha would do well here but I'm glad if the rumours are true that the board are walking away from the £80m price tag, far too much.

Palace are spiting themselves taking a non negotiable stance though, as the years trickle on Wilfs value will keep decreasing. Would make a lot of business sense for them to meet us in the middle a bit, use that money to get 2/3 decent young players and try and get first refusal when we put our list up of players available for loan during the window.

not just that £80m

he wants at least £200K PW salary

thats £132m total outlay

and a player who is 32yo going on 33 and damn near worthless at the end of his contract (assuming it will be 5 years)

we are not Real or Barca or Manure or Juve

we cannot buy mega-pound 27, 28, 29yo even 30yo players to fill in a niche to complete a title and CL winning puzzle

if we miss out on the CL again (and especially if it happens for a 3rd time next season or the one after that

we are going to be fucked in terms of FFP and will have to sell off some vital players on huge huge salaries to balance the books

Roman shutting down the new stadium plans was a long term dagger in the heart of the club's finances

as 4, 5 or so years from now we are going to be fucked in terms of gameday match and lux box revenue versus literally almost every other top 20 or 25 club (5 or so years from now we will be the only left in a small, old, out of date stadium, as I have shown before)