closed Man City 1-0 Chelsea

[Mário César 1,280]

7 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Blaming anyone other than Tuchel today is absurd. 

lack of quality of our attracking players is atrocious... ziyech need to be sold, just like pulisic or werner...

[cosmicway 1,333]

Maybe Lukaku is not what he was touted to be after all but look, the heavy forwards are not suited for counterattack game.
Sometimes -not very often- they do score in such games but no.
In these situations you need a Werner (+ scoring ability of which the real Werner has not).

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

Haha fuck off. 
 

Tuchel on Lukaku. "He had many ball losses w/o any pressure, many ball losses in very promising circumstances. He had a huge chance. We want to serve him, but he is part of the team, and the performance up front, particularly in the first half, we can do much, much better." #CFC

[Mário César 1,280]

Just now, MoroccanBlue said:

Haha fuck off. 
 

Tuchel on Lukaku. "He had many ball losses w/o any pressure, many ball losses in very promising circumstances. He had a huge chance. We want to serve him, but he is part of the team, and the performance up front, particularly in the first half, we can do much, much better." #CFC

What wrong he said?

[cosmicway 1,333]

8 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Haha fuck off. 
 

Tuchel on Lukaku. "He had many ball losses w/o any pressure, many ball losses in very promising circumstances. He had a huge chance. We want to serve him, but he is part of the team, and the performance up front, particularly in the first half, we can do much, much better." #CFC

He f*cked up one chance when he passed the ball towards Ziyech who was offside as well.
In the other chance he did his best but the goalie was lucky.

Edited January 15, 2022 by cosmicway

[Jase 43,479]

23 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yep. in all the games vs City last season, we played out of their press easily

Watching today's game, I some times don't understand what Tuchel is trying to do. In big games where Werner shouldn't be starting, he plays him from the start (e.g. vs Man United this season). In big games where Werner should start, he doesn't start him (e.g. vs City today). None of today's front 3 offered any sort of movement upfront. 2 of them preferred the ball to feet while the other 1 arguably preferred the ball into space but we kept playing into feet. City's high back line was comfortable pretty much for the entire game. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

The only player whose brain is still ticking when in attacking situations is Kante.
Unfortunately his body build is not suited for him to move inside the area.

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

8 minutes ago, Mário César said:

What wrong he said?

What is the definition of insanity? Enlighten me. 

At Everton, United, and at Inter, Lukaku was always horrid on the ball. He looks absolutely mediocre in the biggest games and provided zero to no attacking influence. Now that he is at Chelsea, we are expecting him to all of a sudden change? We have abandoned a winning formula against the top sides in favor of this guy!

We have spent £250 million on attacking talent and we played like a fucking relegation threatened side. All of the sake of starting Lukaku! It's not fucking good enough!

[Blue Armour 4,448]

5 minutes ago, Jase said:

Watching today's game, I some times don't understand what Tuchel is trying to do. In big games where Werner shouldn't be starting, he plays him from the start (e.g. vs Man United this season). In big games where Werner should start, he doesn't start him (e.g. vs City today). None of today's front 3 offered any sort of movement upfront. 2 of them preferred the ball to feet while the other 1 arguably preferred the ball into space but we kept playing into feet. City's high back line was comfortable pretty much for the entire game. 

Tuchel has messed up in two games against City this season.

The first one where he opted for a 3 man midfield of Kante, Jorginho and Kova with a front 2 of Werner & Lukaku .

And this one with the awful front 3 of Lukaku, Ziyech and Pulisic. 

Two completely different lineups., yet both inexplicable.

Wonder why he can't just use the same playbook from last year, especially when he has the players for it (minus the fullbacks)

[Vesper 30,207]

52 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Tottenham above us if they win the games in hand, top 4 fight it is.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

3 minutes ago, Jase said:

Watching today's game, I some times don't understand what Tuchel is trying to do. In big games where Werner shouldn't be starting, he plays him from the start (e.g. vs Man United this season). In big games where Werner should start, he doesn't start him (e.g. vs City today). None of today's front 3 offered any sort of movement upfront. 2 of them preferred the ball to feet while the other 1 arguably preferred the ball into space but we kept playing into feet. City's high back line was comfortable pretty much for the entire game. 

Tbf I am surprised he played Rom today but personally, not that surprised he didn’t use Werner. If I am honest I was much actually more surprised he didn’t start Kai or Mason. 

He talked about lacking precision in attack, do you really think Werner is the guy to give us precision? In these bigger games? In fact are any of them ie. Timo, Ziyech, Pulisic, really consistent enough to deliver in these sort of games? I get the argument for Timo and his pace but other than that I don’t think Tuchel could of justified starting him today although again not playing Kai was a huge mistake for me.  

4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

We have spent £250 million on attacking talent and we played like a fucking relegation threatened side. All of the sake of starting Lukaku! It's not fucking good enough!

Lets be honest under TT, the attack hasn’t ever really looked hugely convincing on a consistent basis regardless of who plays. As alluded to above, are a majority of the attackers good/consistent enough? Do people really expect Ziyech, Werner etc to bring us up another level? Rom doesn’t suit these big games either, clearly. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

5 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tbf I am surprised he played Rom today but personally, not that surprised he didn’t use Werner. If I am honest I was much actually more surprised he didn’t start Kai or Mason. 

He talked about lacking precision in attack, do you really think Werner is the guy to give us precision? In these bigger games? In fact are any of them ie. Timo, Ziyech, Pulisic, really consistent enough to deliver in these sort of games? I get the argument for Timo and his pace but other than that I don’t think Tuchel could of justified starting him today although again not playing Kai was a huge mistake for me.  

Lets be honest under TT, the attack hasn’t ever really looked hugely convincing on a consistent basis regardless of who plays. As alluded to above, are a majority of the attackers good/consistent enough? Do people really expect Ziyech, Werner etc to bring us up another level? Rom doesn’t suit these big games either, clearly. 

What is evident, is that we are astronomically better not just in attack, but as a team as a whole when we have dynamic forwards. 

Havertz not seeing any minutes is a big question mark for me. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

54 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Nah with the same exact team, Pep would do much better with this Chelsea side. Tuchel problem is he is lacking from an attacking standpoint, you may say his players aren’t good but no doubt in my mind they would perform higher with Pep. Tuchel hasn't coached a cohesive attacking side since his Dortmund days. PSG fans were frustrated with him, because they just gave Neymar and Mbappe create something.

This works the other way round then as well. City are said chosive attacking side. Even play the same system, Dortmund did under TT. Give Tuchel the City team for as long as Pep has had it and he would have won the CL twice by now.

[cosmicway 1,333]

The idea that a big man can be useful in a counterattacking situation is something new to me.
So I can't side with Tuchel for using him but also I can't side with Rom's critics.

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tbf I am surprised he played Rom today but personally, not that surprised he didn’t use Werner. If I am honest I was much actually more surprised he didn’t start Kai or Mason. 

He talked about lacking precision in attack, do you really think Werner is the guy to give us precision? In these bigger games? In fact are any of them ie. Timo, Ziyech, Pulisic, really consistent enough to deliver in these sort of games? I get the argument for Timo and his pace but other than that I don’t think Tuchel could of justified starting him today although again not playing Kai was a huge mistake for me.

For all the stick that Werner gets, his pace and movement would have at least offered avenues upfront for us in games like today. He was, after all, a key part in our success against City last season. Not saying we would have beaten City again but he would have certainly offered more than any of the front 3 and whatever the hell our game plan was today. We had a winning formula but that has gone out of the window with Lukaku this season.

Mount not starting was probably a surprise but then again, he was poor against Spurs in midweek. So maybe it's not a surprise. Agreed on Havertz but again, he hasn't exactly done much either. So maybe it's not a surprise either, especially if Tuchel is gonna shoehorn Lukaku into the XI. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

2 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

What is evident, is that we are astronomically better not just in attack, but as a team as a whole when we have dynamic forwards. 

Havertz not seeing any minutes is a big question mark for me. 

Have to agree on Havertz but again, Tuchel’s repeatedly mentioning precision and how the forwards/attacking midfielders need to show up more.

This is why I personally believe Ziyech, Timo and even Pulisic are players who really need to be looked at and the question asked are they really up to it? For what we want to achieve? Pulisic only ever seems to come to life v Liverpool and well I can count on one hand the amount of good games Timo and Hakim have had this season.

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

Just now, OneMoSalah said:

Have to agree on Havertz but again, Tuchel’s repeatedly mentioning precision and how the forwards/attacking midfielders need to show up more.

This is why I personally believe Ziyech, Timo and even Pulisic are players who really need to be looked at and the question asked are they really up to it? For what we want to achieve? Pulisic only ever seems to come to life v Liverpool and well I can count on one hand the amount of good games Timo and Hakim have had this season.

My decision changes every month but I can confidentially say both Ziyech and Werner need to go this summer. Pulisic & CHO still up in the air for me. 

Lukaku needs to leave for the long term benefit of this club. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Yes, City are better than us and the tactics were again not right. Just as Guardiola got it wrong 3 times last season, TT got it wrong twice this season. Sure, we can't replicate their 12games winning streak with the attackers we have and we are not gonna challenge for the league as long as they have such a smooth operation in place. But despite all the handicaps we had today and our shit performance, it was a close game that could have gone either. on a good day we can still take City on, that is why in the all the cup compeitions we are still fair game.

Now is not the time to be beat down. Next months we are playing for 2 titles, City do not have to play for. The league was already gone, so shed no tears.

the club should focus now on getting a wing back in and TT on managing the minutes of the squad so they are all fresh.

[chelsea_4_eva 1,182]

Is Havertz not match fit? He didnt feature at all this week..

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

This is why I personally believe Ziyech, Timo and even Pulisic are players who really need to be looked at and the question asked are they really up to it? For what we want to achieve? Pulisic only ever seems to come to life v Liverpool and well I can count on one hand the amount of good games Timo and Hakim have had this season.

I find it weird that Havertz is not being questioned at the very least. We spent 70 million+ on him to be what exactly? To be a goalscorer? Doesn't score enough goals. To be a goal creator? Doesn't really create much either. Is he really just a 70 million+ player that shows good touches, good linkup plays etc?