closed Chelsea 2-0 Newcastle

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

9 hours ago, Azul said:

I like Marina as a businesswoman and a closer of deals. However it really annoys me when she wants to get involved in the football side of things, when she doesn't have as much knowledge as the manager or technical director.

When has she ever been involved in the actual football side of things? This is absolute nonsense if I am honest. She doesnt pick the team or pick the transfer targets or pick who marks who at set plays etc contrary to belief 🤣 Emenalo was also accused of the same.

Edited February 16, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[Azul 1,615]

30 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

When has she ever been involved in the actual football side of things? This is absolute nonsense if I am honest. She doesnt pick the team or pick the transfer targets or pick who marks who at set plays etc contrary to belief 🤣 Emenalo was also accused of the same.

The Athletic which is one of the most reliable, if not the most reliable Chelsea source, stated that Marina clashed with Lampard over Kepa's situation at Chelsea. She wanted him to be given a chance by Lampard, and why do you think she wants that? That's because she was one of the drivers for the Kepa deal, and doesn't want to accept that she failed by signing him.

Thank goodness we have Cech as our director which means she's involved less nowadays.

If you don't trust reliable Chelsea sources, then we can't have a normal discussion.

Edited February 16, 2021 by Azul

[NikkiCFC 8,285]

3 minutes ago, Azul said:

If you don't trust reliable Chelsea sources, then we can't have a normal discussion.

Matt Law is most reliable Chelsea source and it was proven that what he said about Rudiger was not true. 

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, Azul said:

The Athletic which is one of the most reliable, if not the most reliable Chelsea source, stated that Marina clashed with Lampard over Kepa's situation at Chelsea. She wanted him to be given a chance by Lampard, and why do you think she wants that? That's because she was one of the drivers for the Kepa deal, and doesn't want to accept that she failed by signing him.

Thank goodness we have Cech as our director which means she's involved less nowadays.

If you don't trust reliable Chelsea sources, then we can't have a normal discussion.

Weren't all the sources back at the time that Sarri wanted Kepa largely down to Pepe Reina's recommendation?

Marina (wrongly in my opinion) is looking at it from the business perspective of we will struggle to get any serious money for him and have him on a contract for another four years. If it was all about saving face Bakayoko would have got some form of second chance aswell.

[Jase 43,479]

24 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Marina (wrongly in my opinion) is looking at it from the business perspective of we will struggle to get any serious money for him and have him on a contract for another four years. If it was all about saving face Bakayoko would have got some form of second chance aswell.

As you alluded to there, the difference between Kepa and Bakayoko is that Bakayoko wasn't bought for 70 million, didn't get a 7-year contract and isn't the most expensive player in his position.

[Azul 1,615]

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Matt Law is most reliable Chelsea source and it was proven that what he said about Rudiger was not true. 

I'm not talking about Matt Law am I? He was also wrong about Lampard supposedly staying, just before he got sacked. So your comparison doesn't make sense. Up to now, the Athletic are the most reliable, and that is facts.

[Azul 1,615]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Weren't all the sources back at the time that Sarri wanted Kepa largely down to Pepe Reina's recommendation?

Marina (wrongly in my opinion) is looking at it from the business perspective of we will struggle to get any serious money for him and have him on a contract for another four years. If it was all about saving face Bakayoko would have got some form of second chance aswell.

She is looking at it from a business perspective, however when business clashes with what happens on the pitch it can get ugly. I don't want the board to make decisions on what should happen on the pitch. Imagine if we lost today and that halted us from making top four, isn't that much worse for business?

[Jase 43,479]

Matt Law is/was pro-Lampard. 

[Kova17 1]

17 hours ago, LAChelsea said:

Pulisic sitting such a shame.  feel this is not going to end well as the U.S. is going to need him for World Cup and he and Teuschel just aren't "friends" nor compatible.  i believe he really helps Chelsea and wearing the 10 and not being in the lineup nor the squad is just really disturbing (he's better than Jorginho and Kovacic for crying out loud).  friend of mine who knows Teuchel said he "prefers" to give the German players time though Havertz also not in squad.  just something to think about moving forward what do you all think?  

I understand your frustration with Pulisic as he is a very good player. He’s not competing with Kovacic and Jorginho for a starting spot though. Unfortunately injuries have been the main culprit for Pulisic this season. I don’t think Tuchel has anything against Pulisic he just needs time to get back to the form he was in last season. Look at Kante for example. Great midfielder but has not been the same player the last 2 seasons. On current form Kante does not deserve to start. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

3 hours ago, Azul said:

The Athletic which is one of the most reliable, if not the most reliable Chelsea source, stated that Marina clashed with Lampard over Kepa's situation at Chelsea. She wanted him to be given a chance by Lampard, and why do you think she wants that? That's because she was one of the drivers for the Kepa deal, and doesn't want to accept that she failed by signing him.

Thank goodness we have Cech as our director which means she's involved less nowadays.

If you don't trust reliable Chelsea sources, then we can't have a normal discussion.

If that is true Marina fucked up big time.

Anyway, I read somewhere there was a power struggle between lampard and cech and cech wanted kepa to be given another chance. Lampard won that fight but Cech kept a grudge and did not oppose Lampard's sackign on account of that.

I do not really believe the Reina recommendation. Why would the club trust a keeper who hates Chelsea and periodically forgot about the basics of goalkeeping himself.

Edited February 16, 2021 by Magic Lamps

[Tomo 21,751]

9 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

If that is true Marina fucked up big time.

Anyway, I read somewhere there was a power struggle between lampard and cech and cech wanted kepa to be given another chance. Lampard won that fight but Cech kept a grudge and did not oppose Lampard's sackign on account of that.

I do not really believe the Reina recommendation. Why would the club trust a keeper who hates Chelsea and periodically forgot about the basics of goalkeeping himself.

Because he didn't recommend him to the club, according to the report he recommended him to be his Napoli successor and Sarri then decided he wanted him here.

[DDA 9,924]

9 hours ago, Muzchap said:

I'm in the opposite camp. I liked Frank, I'm not keen at all on Tuchel.

I agree though - we looked awful 2nd half. 

I'm being slated because I supported Frank and don't support Tuchel - it has nothing to do with that. Even Stevie Wonder can see we are hopeless in a press situation. 

We need players finding space much more intelligently and/or to put diagonals or balls over the top. I didn't see any of this against Newcastle. In fact where I witnessed the possibility to do so, we always chose the wrong option.

Have we just got a bunch of thick players?

You must have been worried about how we were playing under Frank though no??? It was hurrendous mate. If you can't see the instant improvement since Tuchel has arrived then, please do let me know where I can get that fine Super Skunk you must be smoking. 😏

[Atomiswave 6,117]

4 minutes ago, DDA said:

You must have been worried about how we were playing under Frank though no??? It was hurrendous mate. If you can't see the instant improvement since Tuchel has arrived then, please do let me know where I can get that fine Super Skunk you must be smoking. 😏

Its was horrific mate, relegation teams covered the basics much more

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

6 hours ago, Azul said:

The Athletic which is one of the most reliable, if not the most reliable Chelsea source, stated that Marina clashed with Lampard over Kepa's situation at Chelsea. She wanted him to be given a chance by Lampard, and why do you think she wants that? That's because she was one of the drivers for the Kepa deal, and doesn't want to accept that she failed by signing him.

Thank goodness we have Cech as our director which means she's involved less nowadays.

If you don't trust reliable Chelsea sources, then we can't have a normal discussion.

Mate. Shes a businesswomen. At top level football clubs and even in businesses these things happen from time to time. They are called disagreements. Same with Frank and the board clashing over no signings last January and wanting to pursue Declan Rice. 

Thats by no means her laying down the law saying Lampard has to play Kepa or even have him on the bench. She doesn’t pick those things. Which is heavily what you implied by saying when shes involved in footballing decisions. Shes involved in business decisions, the clubs operations, the financial side of things (which player recruitment and sales come into but not to the extent where shes hand picking signings or making ultimatums about giving people a chance) etc. You’ve misconstrued that whole situation I think. Do you think she went to Lampard’s office and said you have got to give this guy a chance because if not we will look very stupid having spent 71m on him to be sitting on the bench? No. Do you think she went and said your not getting the funds to sign a new keeper you have a 71m one on the bench? Also no because they sanctioned a deal to bring in Mendy, who was signed on Cech’s recommendation. Do you think she went to Lmpards office last season when he was playing Caballero ahead of Kepa in certain games? Again, no.

And even then if so, if you disagree with that, lets look at this from a business point of view. You have a race horse, it hasn’t raced well in a while but you try to sell it. Thing is the price you want for it is too unrealistic because it hasn’t raced in a while and in terms of what it would cost to maintain the horse, it is also a large amount of money. So how do you drum up interest in it? Also in a global pandemic, where expensive race horses with high maintenance costs are not what most people want to buy. Some people may want to loan it but aren’t in a financial position to do so due to the price and other costs. It was never going to be easy with the whole Kepa situation global pandemic or not but ultimately, I think if it came to it and we got an acceptable offer in the summer in the eyes of the club, Marina would of sanctioned it also if it suited all parties. But we didnt. So Kepa stayed and ultimately again, unlike Drinkwater, Moses, Alonso for a while and whoever else, if Frank didn’t actually fancy him he would of probably done something similar, left him out or tried to isolate him from the group but he didnt.

Maybe in the financial side, Marina would be more inclined to see a return on the investment the club made considering it was a hefty one and she is a leading business women. I mean if there was any rumblings about Marina blocking any moves for Kepa because of that, then aye your point would make sense sort of, but there weren’t. So I really dont get it. 

[Muzchap 8,966]

1 hour ago, DDA said:

You must have been worried about how we were playing under Frank though no??? It was hurrendous mate. If you can't see the instant improvement since Tuchel has arrived then, please do let me know where I can get that fine Super Skunk you must be smoking. 😏

Yes of course I was. But we will never know what was happening behind the scenes.

The players stopped playing for him. As simple as that and are not good enough.

We will be fine unless we meet any team from the top7 then it's a lottery. 

As for my skunk- a good toker can never reveal his sources 🤣 although more into edibles now 👍 pure liquid shatter.

Edited February 16, 2021 by Muzchap