The Tuchel Thread

[Vesper 28,796]

1 hour ago, Stats said:

Don't speak too soon. They have to beat Augsburg first. No Bellingham also. Last time they had the chance to end the weekend on top, they blew it against Bochum couple weeks ago or so. Hope they do win though. Would be great for football if they win the league.

they also have to beat Mainz on the last day

Edited May 21, 2023 by Vesper

[Gundalf 804]

29 minutes ago, Vesper said:

they also have to beat Mainz on the last day

Mainz is not the problem. They conceded 13 goals in their last 4 matches. 

The problem for Dortmund is Augsburg away - only won 1 of their last 7 games there. 

Edited May 21, 2023 by Gundalf

[Vesper 28,796]

1 hour ago, Gundalf said:

Mainz is not the problem. They conceded 13 goals in their last 4 matches. 

The problem for Dortmund is Augsburg away - only won 1 of their last 7 games there. 

nil 3 Dortmund over Augsburg

[Gundalf 804]

11 minutes ago, Vesper said:

nil 3 Dortmund over Augsburg

Thats the title in the bag really. 

[milka 3,346]

Bayern's problems clearly existed before Tuchel, otherwise why would they remove Nagelsmann 2 months before the end.

It's like saying that Lampard is the reason for our memorable season.

[Gundalf 804]

1 minute ago, milka said:

Bayern's problems clearly existed before Tuchel, otherwise why would they remove Nagelsmann 2 months before the end.

It's like saying that Lampard is the reason for our memorable season.

Well I heard people here saying that if we had installed a world class coach after Potter we would have turned the thing around since world class coaches like Tuchel always have an immediate impact. 

[Vegetable 830]

15 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

Well I heard people here saying that if we had installed a world class coach after Potter we would have turned the thing around since world class coaches like Tuchel always have an immediate impact. 

Why you'd think it's not true? Sacking Tuchel was sabotage, appointing Potter was sabotage, but salvagable until certain point. Keeping him for so long only left the barren ground here. Appointing Poch will mean we are settling few levels below of what we were aiming before.

Difference is, we have long lasting structure problems and our owners seem clueless, but with good intentions. Bayern on the other hand is own kind of shithousery, with having zero competition in easy league and financial handicap, yet two funny, clueless people with egos shooting to the moon behind the wheel and I'm still amazed to this day Tuchel decided to step his foot in there. The common denominator is both clubs have toxic atmosphere and internal conflicts due to clueless people in executive positions. Still, in our case, it could be patched up if mitigated early.

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[Special Juan 27,424]

if this is what we are holding onto, wow

[Blue Armour 4,278]

51 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

Well I heard people here saying that if we had installed a world class coach after Potter we would have turned the thing around since world class coaches like Tuchel always have an immediate impact. 

There's a difference between having an impact and just throwing away the rest of the season.

Because that's what Lampards appointment has done.

Replacing Potter with an even worse manager might make Potter look better, but the fact is that they're both terrible 

[Gundalf 804]

43 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Why you'd think it's not true? Sacking Tuchel was sabotage, appointing Potter was sabotage, but salvagable until certain point. Keeping him for so long only left the barren ground here. Appointing Poch will mean we are settling few levels below of what we were aiming before.

Difference is, we have long lasting structure problems and our owners seem clueless, but with good intentions. Bayern on the other hand is own kind of shithousery, with having zero competition in easy league and financial handicap, yet two funny, clueless people with egos shooting to the moon behind the wheel and I'm still amazed to this day Tuchel decided to step his foot in there. The common denominator is both clubs have toxic atmosphere and internal conflicts due to clueless people in executive positions. Still, in our case, it could be patched up if mitigated early.

Tuchel at Bayern just shows the opposite. They fired Nagelsmann bc their titles were in danger, Tuchel lost them all, didnt make them better a bit, even got them worse. Installing Poch instead of Lampard would have ended in tears as well. If the structure is in shambles u can appoint any manager in the world, it wont work. So appointing a Poch or someone else before they fix the structure is just pointless. The mistakes of this season have been made earlier, in the summer, u cant just fix them while the season is going. This is also the reason why they dont announce Poch before the season ends. There was nothing to save, this season was thrown away in the summer. 

[Vesper 28,796]

1 hour ago, milka said:

Bayern's problems clearly existed before Tuchel, otherwise why would they remove Nagelsmann 2 months before the end.

It's like saying that Lampard is the reason for our memorable season.

Bayern is far worse under Tuchel than under Nagelsmann

it isn't even close

and Lampard is by far the worst manager we have had in ages

Potter 2nd

[milka 3,346]

Bayern is bad not because of Tuchel, but because of  Kahn and Salihamidzic . We can bet that next year they will be champions with 10+ points difference with Tuchel anyway . 

Also, after 10 titles in a row, they can take a year off.

 

 

 

Edited May 21, 2023 by milka

[Gundalf 804]

19 minutes ago, milka said:

Also, after 10 titles in a row, they can take a year off.

U should see their forums - they moan more than us 😂 calling their players losers that can fuck off lol

Edited May 21, 2023 by Gundalf

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1 hour ago, Gundalf said:

U should see their forums - they moan more than us 😂 calling their players losers that can fuck off lol

We have good reasons to moan... they win the league every fucking year.

There's a big difference between our situation and theirs lol.

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

Bayern are a shambles off the pitch yes but their form had been questionable under Nagelsmann too. Maybe Tuchel should of done more but Dortmund for once have sustained a challenge as opposed to falling away. 

[NikkiCFC 7,949]

Nagelsmann had 3 defeats in 37 games this season. Tuchel 4 in 11. 

[Vesper 28,796]

4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Nagelsmann had 3 defeats in 37 games this season. Tuchel 4 in 11. 

I have no idea why they sacked Julian