NikkiCFC 8,324 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jason said: In the other group game, Sevilla have just gone 1-0 up against Rennes and have absolutely been hammering them. Sevilla with 15 shots, 8 shots on target and 69% possession. Rennes have just 1 shot, 1 shot on target and 31% possession. Wouldn't be surprised if group finish with us and Sevilla having 14 points and other two teams end with two. Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 Just now, NikkiCFC said: Wouldn't be surprised if group finish with us and Sevilla having 14 points and other two teams end with two. Looks likely given how the games have gone. Can only hope that we beat Rennes in the next two games because that will be enough to secure our progress to the R16 before we go to Sevilla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,075 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 51 minutes ago, Jason said: Jorginho's will look great if it comes off but it will look very stupid if it doesn't and Jorginho has suddenly missed 2 from 3 this season (excluding shootout). If you think Jorginio's is bad you should see Chloe Kelly of Man City Women. You won't believe your eyes. Surely though style doesn't matter. Surely what counts is conversion rate. Everything else is fluff. It could be argued that style matters because it might make success more or less likely. How would we judge whether or not a style contributes to success? By looking at the conversion rate of course. Conversion rate, conversation rate, conversion rate. Nothing else counts. Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 minute ago, OhForAGreavsie said: If you think Jorginio's is bad you should see Chloe Kelly of Man City Women. You won't believe your eyes. Surely though style doesn't matter. Surely what counts is conversion rate. Everything else is fluff. It could be argued that style matters because it might make success more or less likely. How would we judge whether or not a style contributes to success? By looking at the conversion rate of course. Conversion rate, conversation rate, conversion rate. Nothing else counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: Lampard wasn't wrong with what he said but I think the problem here is the penalty taking style. Jorginho's will look great if it comes off but it will look very stupid if it doesn't and Jorginho has suddenly missed 2 from 3 this season (excluding shootout). Given Lampard's own penalty taking style during his career, he should know a thing or two about just picking the target and smashing it in rather than trying to be clever with it. 1 hour ago, BluesMadLad said: Let's be honest he missed it happens, that should really be the end of it. Lampard himself missed 7 1 hour ago, BluesMadLad said: Lampard missed 7 pens, its just one of those things. Jorginho missed 2 from 5 excluding shootout this season. scored 2 vs cp and one vs brighton, missed 2 vs liverpool and today. overall Jorginho has a record that is similar to Lamps but Lamps scored like 80 penalties and had an overall success rate of 85% at that whilst Jorginho scored under 30 to date. The more pens you take the more likely goalies are gonna figure out the way you take them, learn you tell so to say and it gets more difficult to score regularly. lampard missed more towards the end of his career but if you start not converting earlier after not that many tries relatively, you either should change your technique or someone else should take the pens. Johnnyeye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 49 minutes ago, Jason said: Let's face it, Jorginho's penalty style is always gonna be contentious when it doesn't come off... I understand but lets not forget there were moments when Didier, when Frank, when Eden missed penalties and it wasnt anywhere near the OTT reaction but because its Jorginho, the usual 😂 I genuinely think your out to get him 👀 Na I suppose it is a miss and on another day coslty but the penalty taking thing being asked after the game is so typical, can't please everybody. It goes by seniority and record I suppose. Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said: I understand but lets not forget there were moments when Didier, when Frank, when Eden missed penalties and it wasnt anywhere near the OTT reaction but because its Jorginho, the usual 😂 I genuinely think your out to get him 👀 Na I suppose it is a miss and on another day coslty but the penalty taking thing being asked after the game is so typical, can't please everybody. It goes by seniority and record I suppose. IT'S THE PENALTY STYLE! NOT ABOUT THE CONVERSION RATE HERE! Johnnyeye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 Sevilla have beaten Rennes in the other group game. Absolutely steamrolled them but won only 1-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 If I got the permutations right, 6 points from 6 against Rennes in the next 2 games will be enough to see us through to the UCL R16 (before we go to Sevilla on MD5), unless Sevilla lose both games against Krasnodar. The Skipper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,277 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 29 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said: Jorginho missed 2 from 5 excluding shootout this season. scored 2 vs cp and one vs brighton, missed 2 vs liverpool and today. overall Jorginho has a record that is similar to Lamps but Lamps scored like 80 penalties and had an overall success rate of 85% at that whilst Jorginho scored under 30 to date. The more pens you take the more likely goalies are gonna figure out the way you take them, learn you tell so to say and it gets more difficult to score regularly. lampard missed more towards the end of his career but if you start not converting earlier after not that many tries relatively, you either should change your technique or someone else should take the pens. He scored 43 out of 50 lampard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,442 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Jason said: My one concern is that Werner could get isolated upfront in that system but if we can get support around him and make it work, then why not? Rotating front 3 --- ala Drogba, Anelka, Malouda Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 minute ago, BluesMadLad said: He scored 43 out of 50 lampard in the PL yes. but yeah 80 was maybe a bit OTT. probably like 60 in all comps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Jason said: Our xG below 1 again (excluding the penalties). tbf I am beginning to think xG is absolute bollocks. How could we expect less than 1 goal from 14 shots ffs? even if you take aim from 25 yards out 14 times surely one is gonna fly in. The Pulisic goal was a shot you expect him to either score or square to werner to tap into an empty net. Then if you get penalties how does this not count into xG? you can never know how the move would have ended if the offence had not been committed. Also Ziyech had 3 clean shots at goal which he rolled at the goalie. surely he should have scored one of those (instead he scored the most difficult one). I get the feeling xG is very very selective and biased. Vesper, Muzchap, Johnnyeye and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,819 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Has anyone mention that Jorginho's conversion rate is really good on penalties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said: tbf I am beginning to think xG is absolute bollocks. How could we expect less than 1 goal from 14 shots ffs? even if you take aim from 25 yards out 14 times surely one is gonna fly in. The Pulisic goal was a shot you expect him to either score or square to werner to tap into an empty net. Then if you get penalties how does this not count into xG? you can never know how the move would have ended if the offence had not been committed. Also Ziyech had 3 clean shots at goal which he rolled at the goalie. surely he should have scored one of those (instead he scored the most difficult one). I get the feeling xG is very very selective and biased. If including the penalties, then the xG is 2.8. xG basically judges the quality of chances. The goal Pulisic scored and shots from Ziyech weren't exactly clear cut chances, TBF. 0007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,185 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said: Has anyone mention that Jorginho's conversion rate is really good on penalties? its 0% the last 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, Jason said: IT'S THE PENALTY STYLE! NOT ABOUT THE CONVERSION RATE HERE! 😂 tbf people were annoyed with Edens style too at times on here. Suppose it it works most of the time; not gonna see it change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,393 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 - Chilwell is officially corner-kick taker - Ziyech is actually what we said he is - Rudiger ahead of Christensen and maybe Tomori - Emerson is the 2nd choice left-back Muzchap and 0007 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 34 minutes ago, Jason said: If including the penalties, then the xG is 2.8. xG basically judges the quality of chances. The goal Pulisic scored and shots from Ziyech weren't exactly clear cut chances, TBF. I know. The quality of chances is exactly what is so subjective about it. Every shot or goal is in itself unique so it’s hard to derive a scoring probability for most. on the other front I disagree. A professional footballer should expected to score from inside the 5yd box no matter the angle and ziyech had really really clear shots. Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmicway 1,333 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 The Russian team was of the level of Wolves-Palace. Mendy was excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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